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Post by timeracer on Jul 25, 2017 12:50:14 GMT -5
Exactly, comfort, better buttons and sticks, extra buttons, wanting wired controllers opposed to wireless, economic reasons are all among the very valid reasons people would buy a different controller. These controllers are also fully legal to play on any game. Officially licensed by console manufacturers. And it's really only here that they would be deemed cheating. I'm sure HB couldn't do anything about them in the larger non tour game because they would probably run into issues from the console manufacturers. Can't ban someone for doing something illegal if MS and Sony say they are legal. Which they do via the license. So, Without knowledge of their tour only issues, why would anyone have any reason to believe they're doing something wrong? No one is saying they are illegal, thats not the point. The point is they provide a large competitive advantage for this game, and that shouldnt be allowed. Not arguing that at all. Completely agree. But the question was posed as to why anyone would buy them other than to cheat at golf game. Just pointing out there's many valid reasons and that it's only here that they would in any way be deemed illegal. Personally I bought mine for racing games. No one would ever say there's anything wrong with them there in any setting. |
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Post by mde8965 on Jul 25, 2017 12:54:28 GMT -5
Not everyone buys knockoff controllers to hit straighter. For better or worse I have a controller breakage problem. <cough>. In the past I have bought a (singular) Logitech (310) and the Chinese knockoff DS4's. Not for an advantage, but because instead of spending $49.99 on a Sony branded model, the Logitech was $19.99 and the Chinese knockoff DS4 was $27 or somewhere around there. I never used the Logitech in a tourney. It was TGC1 days and kept getting 75-84% hits with that. And as far as the Chinese knockoffs, I did use a few of them in TGC1 comps. But stopped because they were flaky and would quit working all the time, and it was do dodgy to get one ordered and actually sent to you. I did not notice any difference is straightness with the Chinese DS4. But this was TGC1, it was not hard to have pretty straight lines...
I did test the Chinese knockoff earlier (a couple weeks ago) and I did notice it was easier to keep in the cone in TGC2. But no where near straight. I hate the feel of it because it is super slippery. But, do I think it should be made illegal? I don't know. In any case, it will not be used in any comps...
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Post by feng187 on Jul 25, 2017 12:54:47 GMT -5
No one is saying they are illegal, thats not the point. The point is they provide a large competitive advantage for this game, and that shouldnt be allowed. Not arguing that at all. Completely agree. But the question was posed as to why anyone would buy them other than to cheat at golf game. Just pointing out there's many valid reasons and that it's only here that they would in any way be deemed illegal. Personally I bought mine for racing games. No one would ever say there's anything wrong with them there in any setting. I think you missed my point as I was joking at the PC lads but I was mainly asking why would somebody buy a 3rd party controller like the Xbox and ps4 replicas and play with that rather than use the ones that come with the console. If there's a question mark over the 3rd party ones just use the stock controllers. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 13:01:07 GMT -5
Well the PC lads only have a few choices when it comes to controllers that will actually play on the PC. My guess is most folks bought their third party controller for another game other than TGC 1/2.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:02:15 GMT -5
There is just way too much information on here. Do we all really need to see this?
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Post by hammo24983 on Jul 25, 2017 13:06:33 GMT -5
It appears that the admin can see what is cheating, what is 3rd party and what is stock fairly comfortably.
The decision is do we allow 3rd party or not?
I don't believe the game was made with the intention of using a controller to make the game easier. So I say put a ban on such controllers.
Those that choose to quit because they "can't afford" a stock controller for $20, well that's too bad. It would seem strange that they can afford a gaming console and 3rd party controller worth well over $100 but can't afford a cheap controller.
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 13:06:49 GMT -5
There is just way too much information on here. Do we all really need to see this? I think it is awesome. The admins are going to have to make some difficult choices which well effect everyone who plays this game. It is nice to see the same type of information they are going to be using to make those decisions and asking us for our input. We are all going to be effected by this, might as well put it all out there so everyone has the same bit of information. Once again, how does the admin ban anything if they can't tell what you are using? I think it is more likely that they will come with a particular range that is allowable knowing that certain devices will always be lower than that number and thus easily identifiable. We just heard from someone who used 3 controllers that were identical and they all played much differently. I think that was for the DS4. If one of those played below what was allowable but the other two above, do we 'ban' them all? Even xbox controllers play differently from each other. It is all going to be about the numbers in the end I think as that is the only thing the admin can actually see. |
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Post by jarednich on Jul 25, 2017 13:08:07 GMT -5
Exactly, comfort, better buttons and sticks, extra buttons, wanting wired controllers opposed to wireless, economic reasons are all among the very valid reasons people would buy a different controller. These controllers are also fully legal to play on any game. Officially licensed by console manufacturers. And it's really only here that they would be deemed cheating. I'm sure HB couldn't do anything about them in the larger non tour game because they would probably run into issues from the console manufacturers. Can't ban someone for doing something illegal if MS and Sony say they are legal. Which they do via the license. So, Without knowledge of their tour only issues, why would anyone have any reason to believe they're doing something wrong? No one is saying they are illegal, thats not the point. The point is they provide a large competitive advantage for this game, and that shouldnt be allowed. That's the point. No controller is illegal, and no mouse setting is illegal. You can use whatever device and whatever modification you want to play TGC2. But the argument is what is legal or illegal for tournament play. Those regulations will be surely stricter, and rightfully so. |
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Post by Doyley on Jul 25, 2017 13:08:21 GMT -5
There is just way too much information on here. Do we all really need to see this? Yes - it helps educate our members so they can provide better feedback. Also, when we announce a policy, they can have confidence knowing we have the data to back it up. 48 hours ago that wouldn't be the case. |
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Post by paulus on Jul 25, 2017 13:08:22 GMT -5
There is just way too much information on here. Do we all really need to see this? You can look away Dan. I personally prefer to derive conclusions from evidence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:09:12 GMT -5
The developers designed and tested the game around officail console controllers. Shouldn't they be the ones we should be using?
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Post by paulus on Jul 25, 2017 13:10:57 GMT -5
All the talk of controllers would seem to be entirely moot. It's not info that we can reliably obtain and is un-enforceable.
Focus on the statistics - they hold the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:13:00 GMT -5
There is just way too much information on here. Do we all really need to see this? Yes - it helps educate our members so they can provide better feedback. Also, when we announce a policy, they can have confidence knowing we have the data to back it up. 48 hours ago that wouldn't be the case. I suppose you are right, i can't deny that. I just want you guys to have fair competition, that's all. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 13:13:37 GMT -5
The developers designed and tested the game around officail console controllers. Shouldn't they be the ones we should be using? This statement isn't completely true. The game was designed primarily for controllers because that is where most of their profit comes from but if you ever saw a picture of their play room, they had dozens of different controllers that they tested and coded for. It is one of the reasons why when patching for consoles it is so tough to get it right for everyone. The mouse swing was coded and completed, then never changed after about 3 weeks in beta as they are quite easier to code for by just implementing their mouse sensitivity function within the game. |
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Post by Crazy Croc on Jul 25, 2017 13:17:42 GMT -5
I once tried using my Logitech Momo wheel and pedal set in the golf game. Mapped the brake pedal to the back swing and the throttle to the forward swing, wheel worked wonders on the draws and fades. Could drive pretty accurate with it, unfortunately the extra backspin killed immersion level for me. Could tell you about the time i tried the Saitek Hotas and the amazing ball flights I got from that combination, but ya - i loaded up the 1st round of a tourney and only landed the ball during the 3rd round o the wrong green resulting in an instant dq. Point is the one-trick-pony console fanboys may not grasp the concept that most pc gamers prolly did not specifically buy whatever controller they are using for this golf game, but rather are using something thats lying around already somewhere  |
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