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Post by SmilingGoats on Jul 25, 2017 12:19:04 GMT -5
Quick question Doyley - I presume the straightness data is not adjusted for swing tempo - ie if you hit dead perfect straight shot but with terrible tempo that leads to large hook/slice - the API still gives a 0 for the swing? The numbers in our charts are simply raw deviation from the y-axis. What the game does with that deviation after the fact, is variable. But it doesn't affect the numbers we're showing you. The numbers we're showing would be the same even if there was no game. It's simply a measure of how close to the axis you're able to move your mouse or controller. |
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Post by SloanerTW on Jul 25, 2017 12:20:51 GMT -5
I would say anything over than 30% in the orange seems fishy even if none are in the red. A stock controller has to have the round of their life to pull that off. Like in the logitech data 25/30 are for sure in the orange that is way too much. I'd say any data that has most of the shots within 2 spots left and right of centre are flagged cause that seems like the aftermarket controller zone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 12:21:43 GMT -5
All this is too much for my brain to compute.
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Post by KenTremendous on Jul 25, 2017 12:23:42 GMT -5
I would say anything over than 30% in the orange seems fishy even if none are in the red. A stock controller has to have the round of their life to pull that off. Like in the logitech data 25/30 are for sure in the orange that is way too much. I'd say any data that has most of the shots within 2 spots left and right of centre are flagged cause that seems like the aftermarket controller zone. I use a stock PS4 controller on the PC, and with no fiddling around i.e. playing fairly, i almost NEVER hit a dead straight shot, its 99.9% of the time slightly off to the right or left. Ive been scoring very well too, so lord knows what silly scores we will see put up if that many orange zone shots are allowed (and thats basically a dead straight shot in the game). |
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Post by SloanerTW on Jul 25, 2017 12:29:20 GMT -5
I would say anything over than 30% in the orange seems fishy even if none are in the red. A stock controller has to have the round of their life to pull that off. Like in the logitech data 25/30 are for sure in the orange that is way too much. I'd say any data that has most of the shots within 2 spots left and right of centre are flagged cause that seems like the aftermarket controller zone. I use a stock PS4 controller on the PC, and with no fiddling around i.e. playing fairly, i almost NEVER hit a dead straight shot, its 99.9% of the time slightly off to the right or left. Ive been scoring very well too, so lord knows what silly scores we will see put up if that many orange zone shots are allowed (and thats basically a dead straight shot in the game). I think if the logitech chart is allowed then chart A should be allowed too. I don't think there is much of a difference really. |
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Post by feng187 on Jul 25, 2017 12:30:48 GMT -5
I know PC players have a whole load of choice when it comes to what controller/mouse they want to play/cheat with 😂 but I'd seriously like to know why "unsuspecting 3rd party controller users" as I've heard them called in here aren't using the controllers that came with their console 🤔 Comfort, reaction, better buttons, ect. It comes down to personal preference. Just like people who game with mice. Some are heavier, some are lighter, some have more buttons, some use a claw grip or a palm grip. Oh and once again, just cause there is an ability to change settings, doesn't mean a person is cheating. I really commend the admin for taking this route to show the populous the information they are having to sift through. I'm sure there are right now many people who are asking them, "how straight am i?" because they honestly have no idea. This was a good move, admin-types. The only thing comfortable about 3rd party controllers is the ability to hit straight shots 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 12:31:32 GMT -5
3 click golf games were much simpler times 🤔, I remember all the edging with the mouse accusations on Tiger 08.
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Post by KenTremendous on Jul 25, 2017 12:33:35 GMT -5
I use a stock PS4 controller on the PC, and with no fiddling around i.e. playing fairly, i almost NEVER hit a dead straight shot, its 99.9% of the time slightly off to the right or left. Ive been scoring very well too, so lord knows what silly scores we will see put up if that many orange zone shots are allowed (and thats basically a dead straight shot in the game). I think if the logitech chart is allowed then chart A should be allowed too. I don't think there is much of a difference really. Simply put, if the Logitech or any controller thats so easy to smash 95% straight shots with is allowed, i wont play any longer. It would be a huge unfair advantage and one i couldnt compete with - ive no interest in that. If i win or lose, i want to know its because i was beaten or beat a better or worse player with the same or similar equipment, not something that achieves what stock cant in a million years. |
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Post by timeracer on Jul 25, 2017 12:35:59 GMT -5
I know PC players have a whole load of choice when it comes to what controller/mouse they want to play/cheat with 😂 but I'd seriously like to know why "unsuspecting 3rd party controller users" as I've heard them called in here aren't using the controllers that came with their console 🤔 Comfort, reaction, better buttons, ect. It comes down to personal preference. Just like people who game with mice. Some are heavier, some are lighter, some have more buttons, some use a claw grip or a palm grip. Oh and once again, just cause there is an ability to change settings, doesn't mean a person is cheating. I really commend the admin for taking this route to show the populous the information they are having to sift through. I'm sure there are right now many people who are asking them, "how straight am i?" because they honestly have no idea. This was a good move, admin-types. Exactly, comfort, better buttons and sticks, extra buttons, wanting wired controllers opposed to wireless, economic reasons are all among the very valid reasons people would buy a different controller. These controllers are also fully legal to play on any game. Officially licensed by console manufacturers. And it's really only here that they would be deemed cheating. I'm sure HB couldn't do anything about them in the larger non tour game because they would probably run into issues from the console manufacturers. Can't ban someone for doing something illegal if MS and Sony say they are legal. Which they do via the license. So, Without knowledge of their tour only issues, why would anyone have any reason to believe they're doing something wrong? |
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 25, 2017 12:36:26 GMT -5
I went into the driving range on my lunch break from work and was using the 3 different Sony Dual shock controllers i have. There is so much difference between them, it's like having 3 different sets of clubs from the same manufacturer lol.
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Post by KenTremendous on Jul 25, 2017 12:38:31 GMT -5
Comfort, reaction, better buttons, ect. It comes down to personal preference. Just like people who game with mice. Some are heavier, some are lighter, some have more buttons, some use a claw grip or a palm grip. Oh and once again, just cause there is an ability to change settings, doesn't mean a person is cheating. I really commend the admin for taking this route to show the populous the information they are having to sift through. I'm sure there are right now many people who are asking them, "how straight am i?" because they honestly have no idea. This was a good move, admin-types. Exactly, comfort, better buttons and sticks, extra buttons, wanting wired controllers opposed to wireless, economic reasons are all among the very valid reasons people would buy a different controller. These controllers are also fully legal to play on any game. Officially licensed by console manufacturers. And it's really only here that they would be deemed cheating. I'm sure HB couldn't do anything about them in the larger non tour game because they would probably run into issues from the console manufacturers. Can't ban someone for doing something illegal if MS and Sony say they are legal. Which they do via the license. So, Without knowledge of their tour only issues, why would anyone have any reason to believe they're doing something wrong? No one is saying they are illegal, thats not the point. The point is they provide a large competitive advantage for this game, and that shouldnt be allowed. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 12:40:10 GMT -5
Looking at the 'elite' examples it seems that most of those graphs start around .01 and clump up between .01 and .02 there on one side or the other. A couple have some shots within the .0050 - .0075 range. So this tells me that the elite folks would average around .012 to .015 with the best players around .01. Anyone that is shooting an average between .0002 to .0070 i think is shooting average in the orange which is way too straight.
An average of .01 would be a few shots in the orange (under .0075) and a few shots past the midway point of the red cone (.02) with the majority of shots falling between .0076 and .019 or in other words most of their shots are within the red cone 1/2 between dead center and the center between the center of the cone and the right/left edge. Playing with a couple of console players who I would say are the elite, I've seen this happen. Some are just that good. So myself, I would look at .01 as being really the lowest and of where people can be. I'm not sure if a person can hit that way four rounds in a row but if they can do it legally, good on them but that for me is where the line should be drawn.
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 12:41:43 GMT -5
I went into the driving range on my lunch break from work and was using the 3 different Sony Dual shock controllers i have. There is so much difference between them, it's like having 3 different sets of clubs from the same manufacturer lol. Chance are tho, if you tested all three you would then choose the one that is the straightest! Which is natural for just about anyone to do. The problem @kentremendous is if the admin can't tell what controller you are using, how do they enforce such a ban? They can only use the numbers from the API to an idea of how straight a person is shooting. One would think that since these controllers can't have their settings changed, they shoot what they shoot, it will be easy for the admins to pick them up as too straight. |
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Post by xEB50x on Jul 25, 2017 12:42:51 GMT -5
I would recommend having top players play a few rounds each with Stock console controllers, then compile all the shot ratio's together to get a base line acceptable spread. From there you will clearly see anyone shooting consistently inside of the sample. This would be considered an illegal controller. Then provide all players a list of acceptable controllers. Anyone using a controller not on the list face action.
I'm new to TGC TOURS, and want to know it's a fair playing field. I would like to think everyone would like to know if they are using an illegal controller. If not, it's a sad group of "a few" who will abuse the system for their own self worth.
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Post by feng187 on Jul 25, 2017 12:44:53 GMT -5
Comfort, reaction, better buttons, ect. It comes down to personal preference. Just like people who game with mice. Some are heavier, some are lighter, some have more buttons, some use a claw grip or a palm grip. Oh and once again, just cause there is an ability to change settings, doesn't mean a person is cheating. I really commend the admin for taking this route to show the populous the information they are having to sift through. I'm sure there are right now many people who are asking them, "how straight am i?" because they honestly have no idea. This was a good move, admin-types. Exactly, comfort, better buttons and sticks, extra buttons, wanting wired controllers opposed to wireless, economic reasons are all among the very valid reasons people would buy a different controller. These controllers are also fully legal to play on any game. Officially licensed by console manufacturers. And it's really only here that they would be deemed cheating. I'm sure HB couldn't do anything about them in the larger non tour game because they would probably run into issues from the console manufacturers. Can't ban someone for doing something illegal if MS and Sony say they are legal. Which they do via the license. So, Without knowledge of their tour only issues, why would anyone have any reason to believe they're doing something wrong? Yeah but these fully legal controllers are making it easier to hit straight and people are choosing to use them over the stock ones that came with consoles for exactly that reason nothing to do with comfort and extra buttons as that doesn't come into it on this game as there is no need, the stock controller fully caters for all the buttons you need to play the game, people are buying cheap knock off Chinese pads that are a replica of DS4 as the sticks are less sensitive, that says it all really. I was having a joke at the PC lads expense as they always have fancy extras but there's no need to buy a fancy controller to play TGC2. |
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