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Post by KenTremendous on Jul 25, 2017 11:51:49 GMT -5
Remember - those charts for Tim are not showing him to be hitting EXACTLY straight, with no deviation, but all those shots will show as a dead straight shot in the game. Again, stock CANNOT compete with that. Actually they don't Matt. I can't hit a single drive/iron/pitch/flop/chip dead straight ever with it. No idea why as I can hit 95% of my putts dead straight no deviation. They may not be DEAD straight, but i was interested, so loaded your ghost from yesterdays Hershey round and saw this.  Now again, not DEAD straight, but played a few holes and almost every single one of your drives/irons were like this, i.e. as good as straight and obviously very repeatable, as this was the case 95% of the time. As i said, stock CANNOT do this - so its a massive advantage whichever way you want to slice it. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 11:53:28 GMT -5
Actually they don't Matt. I can't hit a single drive/iron/pitch/flop/chip dead straight ever with it. No idea why as I can hit 95% of my putts dead straight no deviation. They may not be DEAD straight, but i was interested, so loaded your ghost from yesterdays Hershey round and saw this. Now again, not DEAD straight, but played a few holes and almost every single one of your drives/irons were like this, i.e. as good as straight and obviously very repeatable, as this was the case 95% of the time. As i said, stock CANNOT do this - so its a massive advantage whichever way you want to slice it. Right, I have no way to adjust the controller. |
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Post by Doyley on Jul 25, 2017 11:55:03 GMT -5
I want to see my charts, just out of curiosity. I probably wouldn't be allowed to play because of how many shots are OUTSIDE the cone  There are some players that only have 1 or two bars on the extreme edge. I feel for those guys. |
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Post by KenTremendous on Jul 25, 2017 11:55:46 GMT -5
Well, you could just use a stock controller that the majority use and not the logitech as it clearly provides an artificial advantage?
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Post by Crazy Croc on Jul 25, 2017 11:56:16 GMT -5
So eliminating the guys with all straight shots is a no-brainer. Smurf says numerous - what is numerous? 2? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12 per round? If by straight you mean API red zone straight then 1 per season to be honest. Sure, if its possible and that possibility is rated at 10 000:1 then somebody somewhere is bound to hit 1 eventually. Same person does it twice - no way |
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Post by Airik3333 on Jul 25, 2017 11:57:31 GMT -5
It sounds like it's NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to shoot the way the above players are shooting (other than Doyley) without doing something they should not be doing or using a controller they should not be using.. Any player during a tourney caught with a graph like the ones above should be DQ'd.. No questions asked no slandering in the forums.. A simple email
Thank you for playing at TGC Tours. You have been DQ'd from this weeks event.. Good luck next week !!
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Post by mousepotato on Jul 25, 2017 11:57:36 GMT -5
What is this 'white line' that people speak of?
edit: Ah yes I see from the pics above
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 12:04:37 GMT -5
So eliminating the guys with all straight shots is a no-brainer. Smurf says numerous - what is numerous? 2? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12 per round? If by straight you mean API red zone straight then 1 per season to be honest. Sure, if its possible and that possibility is rated at 10 000:1 then somebody somewhere is bound to hit 1 eventually. Same person does it twice - no way Since having a straight white line isn't the same as a RED zone perfect, I would say pretty much ONE red zone perfect like every 4-5 tournaments. It really shouldn't happen and if it does it is a complete fluke. One per round is too many. Now white line "orange shots" I can see happening more often on short shots with the occasional shot from the field. At this point I don't have enough data to say how often this happens. I have seen with people I have played/followed a couple times per round, so I'm not sure how hard it is with a person having a great round. |
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Post by HairyTeabagins on Jul 25, 2017 12:04:39 GMT -5
Actually they don't Matt. I can't hit a single drive/iron/pitch/flop/chip dead straight ever with it. No idea why as I can hit 95% of my putts dead straight no deviation. They may not be DEAD straight, but i was interested, so loaded your ghost from yesterdays Hershey round and saw this. Now again, not DEAD straight, but played a few holes and almost every single one of your drives/irons were like this, i.e. as good as straight and obviously very repeatable, as this was the case 95% of the time. As i said, stock CANNOT do this - so its a massive advantage whichever way you want to slice it. This type of shot on a regular basis is ban worthy IMO, it doesn't have to be dead straight to be an advantageous controller. My old afterglow was way straighter than that though  . If I could get swings like that as common occurance on my xbox360 stock now, I'd be taking my game to the bank lol. |
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Post by shirt10 on Jul 25, 2017 12:04:45 GMT -5
I personally draw a comparison to the start time of sprinters.
I believe the acceptable reaction time is 0.1 seconds. If your recorded reaction time at the start of the race is quicker than this you are flagged with a false start, even though you were technically after then gun. Meaning if you start running between 0.00 and 0.09 seconds after the gun fires, you are false started because it can be supported with data that it is not humanly possible to react that quickly.
I would suggest that we let the admins use the masses of data present to set a solid line in the sand. If 2 or more swings are within the unnatural / extremely-unlikely-to-happen-once-in-a-round then your round is invalid.
Will there be the very rare instance of a false negative, yes. But if there are clear and definite guidelines based on huge amounts of data, then the 'eyeball' test is removed.
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Post by coruler2 on Jul 25, 2017 12:05:00 GMT -5
It really shocks me how many people think anything but a dead zero deviation swing is okay. Why would the majority of people stick up for the bottom 1-2-% who have an enormous advantage over everyone be else (even if not intentional). All examples A-J have a huge advantage over the common player.
Another note- TGCTours isn't going to call anyone a cheat, but they will let people know if they don't conform to their API data they won't be allowed to play on their Tours. Sounds fair to me, they should be able to restrict as many people as they feel just to ensure fair and competitive play. And it's being done in private, not public. If people don't want to conform, then don't play! Go mop up community events with your distinct advantage and please don't kill the legitimacy of TGCTours. I'm all good with alienating a few bad eggs to protect the thousands of good eggs
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Post by mde8965 on Jul 25, 2017 12:05:12 GMT -5
Funny thing or curious thing. On approach shots I am usually all over both the inside and outside of the cone but sometimes when I hit a fast downswings shot the graphic shows dead straight or nearly so. In fact when I see that I know it was fast before I even see the word in the screen. Anyone else notice that? Does not happen all the time. But it's the only nearly dead straight line I ever see outside of putts. Of course the damn ball lands about 20 yards left of the stupid green.
Then again maybe that fast push of the stick helped it to be straight. Like in TGC1 was easier to hit straighter more consistently by ramming the stick forward
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Post by feng187 on Jul 25, 2017 12:09:24 GMT -5
I know PC players have a whole load of choice when it comes to what controller/mouse they want to play/cheat with 😂 but I'd seriously like to know why "unsuspecting 3rd party controller users" as I've heard them called in here aren't using the controllers that came with their console 🤔
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Post by paulus on Jul 25, 2017 12:15:18 GMT -5
Quick question Doyley - I presume the straightness data is not adjusted for swing tempo - ie if you hit dead perfect straight shot but with terrible tempo that leads to large hook/slice - the API still gives a 0 for the swing? |
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 12:18:18 GMT -5
I know PC players have a whole load of choice when it comes to what controller/mouse they want to play/cheat with 😂 but I'd seriously like to know why "unsuspecting 3rd party controller users" as I've heard them called in here aren't using the controllers that came with their console 🤔 Comfort, reaction, better buttons, ect. It comes down to personal preference. Just like people who game with mice. Some are heavier, some are lighter, some have more buttons, some use a claw grip or a palm grip. Oh and once again, just cause there is an ability to change settings, doesn't mean a person is cheating. I really commend the admin for taking this route to show the populous the information they are having to sift through. I'm sure there are right now many people who are asking them, "how straight am i?" because they honestly have no idea. This was a good move, admin-types. |
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. If I could get swings like that as common occurance on my xbox360 stock now, I'd be taking my game to the bank lol. 
