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Post by jacobkessler on Jul 25, 2017 10:29:41 GMT -5
Without going into too much detail, here's my response to the OP:
A- no
B- no
C- yes
D- no
E- no
F- yes
G- no
H- no
I- no
J- yes
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Post by jarednich on Jul 25, 2017 10:30:14 GMT -5
I don't know where the line is, but I know that the Logitech F310 should be outside of it. Now what if I just happened to buy one when I got this game, instead of the XBox 360 used that I got? (didn't know any better) What are you gonna say to me? "Oh, by the way, that $40 you spent in good faith on that controller? You can't use it anymore. Go spend another $40 on another controller." Wanna see people leave? Tell a bunch of basically honest folks that they have to buy new equipment. I sure as hell wouldn't. Money doesn't grow on trees. It's unfortunate, but yes. That is 100% what I would do. The integrity of competition is more important than the probably handful of people that this would affect. Also, not completely relevant but the controller in question costs <$20.00. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jul 25, 2017 10:30:15 GMT -5
- Anyone who hits a zero deviation shot or many in a round could be privately asked to verify their device and swing technique for admin to confirm they play legit. How is this done? What I have thought of is: - The serial number from the controller be sent on to be checked out - Video proof of the controller being used and the technique used for taking shots - any other proof that may be required to be sent on It shouldn't be a regular occurrence but if it does come up at least theres a plan. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 25, 2017 10:30:35 GMT -5
Use the data - determine how common Red Zones are, determine how common orange zones are.
Set parameters based on those figures plus X% leeway for numbers of shots per round/tournament inside those zones.
Anyone outside of those parameters is contacted and asked to change equipment.
The vast majority of those will be 3rd Party Controllers and Mice that have been fiddled with.
If the odd person just has a stock controller with a huge deadzone and they are required to change it - so be it What happens if someone tries numerous controllers and can hit perfect shots legitimately occasionally on all? I know u think this is impossible or unlikely but what would you suggest in this case? The person be excluded altogether? I don't think it's unlikely - I know. Look at the data
You need to separate the data from what you see on your screen - they are wildly different. Those very straight shots we all occasionally hit (most more than me, granted) are very very good, but they are probably very rarely within the Red/Orange Zones on those graphs and therefore the people hitting them won't have a problem.
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Post by jarednich on Jul 25, 2017 10:33:18 GMT -5
- Anyone who hits a zero deviation shot or many in a round could be privately asked to verify their device and swing technique for admin to confirm they play legit. How is this done? House call via the TGCT private jet and limo service? I'm just brainstorming here, they told me there are no wrong answers. |
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Post by mde8965 on Jul 25, 2017 10:33:26 GMT -5
The admin's are not going to be able to verify what controller and what swing technique they use. The only way you would ever be able to do that is to make them stream with a camera on them. And you can't mandate somebody go out and buy a camera. So it is quite the pickle that the admin team is in here. I can see why they started this thread. I'm starting to think that the gist of this whole thread is we've got great data but it's going to be of limited usefulness here. And everybody shouting from the rooftops to ban every other kind of controller and to study every single graph is not being realistic.
I have a practical suggestion. But it won't be a popular one. I say player clubs for all. Everybody will be hitting straight shots and it doesn't matter if they're cheating or not. It won't be an advantage. Or at least not much of one to worry about. Ha ha. Just cannot help myself there. If you want to delete this post feel free.
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jul 25, 2017 10:35:04 GMT -5
If you claim you can't use a stock controller, you're living for a video game too much. I've got nothing else to add that hasn't been said or considered except this: Perception is reality, and we all have our perceptions about specific players, especially those caught doing any form of cheating (Some I'm disgusted playing alongside with again). In the end, it's still a terribly slippery slope to define, because not everyone defines where the line is the same, and where the grey area they can bend the rules are. If SmilingGoats wants to bring up my R1 of the "Good Beer Open" so you can truly see what a 3 year journeyman PGA Tour Card with 9 career Top 25s looks like, go right ahead. I'm expecting to lose the card this year, anyways. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jul 25, 2017 10:37:46 GMT -5
What happens if someone tries numerous controllers and can hit perfect shots legitimately occasionally on all? I know u think this is impossible or unlikely but what would you suggest in this case? The person be excluded altogether? I don't think it's unlikely - I know. Look at the data
You need to separate the data from what you see on your screen - they are wildly different. Those very straight shots we all occasionally hit (most more than me, granted) are very very good, but they are probably very rarely within the Red/Orange Zones on those graphs and therefore the people hitting them won't have a problem.
I understand that but if we can agree that it's physically possible to have a zero deviation shot then it's possible to do it more than once . I mean it's either physically possible or it's not. |
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jul 25, 2017 10:38:28 GMT -5
I've entered the twighlight zone as I just liked two of @wagtunes posts. 
Seriously, you can't just keep telling people to go buy new stock controllers because they for some reason know how to pull back and forth consistently straight.
What happens when one of you have a really good round, even win a tourney, and are contacted by admin and told you need to change what you're doing because your swing was too straight or there wasn't enough deviation.
Is this scenario even possible? Can a person have a really good round that appears as though they are cheating under these proposed rules? |
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Post by staypuft39 on Jul 25, 2017 10:40:36 GMT -5
So the argument is that some people swing SO STRAIGHT, that they would be as good as people who are cheating? So good that they would be indistinguishable from cheaters? And I'm really the first to post this??  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 10:45:38 GMT -5
I've entered the twighlight zone as I just liked two of @wagtunes posts.
Seriously, you can't just keep telling people to go buy new stock controllers because they for some reason know how to pull back and forth consistently straight.
What happens when one of you have a really good round, even win a tourney, and are contacted by admin and told you need to change what you're doing because your swing was too straight or there wasn't enough deviation.
Is this scenario even possible? Can a person have a really good round that appears as though they are cheating under these proposed rules? Thanks, but don't worry. I doubt it will happen often. Seriously folks, this is venturing into the land of absurdity. The ONLY thing you can tell from the posted examples is that one player is hitting everything dead center and is using a straight shooter. Everybody else, you have ZERO clue.... 1) What controller they're using 2) What their skill level is But you want to start mandating down to the 0.0025 or whatever what IS and ISN'T acceptable for playing on this tour. Yeah, good luck with that. Let me know when that trap door stops smacking you upside the head. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jul 25, 2017 10:46:19 GMT -5
I'm going to use my Logitech F710. I bought it for the old game, with no advantage in that game as anyone could hit straight. I have suggested looking at two of my TGC2 rounds earlier but it hasn't happened.
If it turns out my controller is deemed unfair once the season starts ( or earlier ) then I will just have to change it, but to what?
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 10:46:32 GMT -5
So eliminating the guys with all straight shots is a no-brainer. Smurf says numerous - what is numerous? 2? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12 per round? If we are talking any shot that isn't a putt, chip or pitch, then I might allow one. I have played with Brad and SmlingGoats and we all have whitelined that short putt a few times in the round.. It might not be perfect 0 but it is within the red. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 10:46:37 GMT -5
I've entered the twighlight zone as I just liked two of @wagtunes posts.
Seriously, you can't just keep telling people to go buy new stock controllers because they for some reason know how to pull back and forth consistently straight.
What happens when one of you have a really good round, even win a tourney, and are contacted by admin and told you need to change what you're doing because your swing was too straight or there wasn't enough deviation.
Is this scenario even possible? Can a person have a really good round that appears as though they are cheating under these proposed rules? Or who says they did use it for the 4th round and the player denies it and they say they "got hot". I don't envy the admins here. |
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Post by HairyTeabagins on Jul 25, 2017 10:46:54 GMT -5
can we have some laughs here, for investigation purposes of course  Can I shoot a round with the afterglow controller that Doyley very rightly told me after 2 rounds last year, is definitely a straight shooter . I'm telling you, that chart would be AMAZING to look at i'm so intrigued. |
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Can I shoot a round with the afterglow controller that Doyley very rightly told me after 2 rounds last year, is definitely a straight shooter