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Post by jwfickett on Jan 9, 2015 10:26:18 GMT -5
Question: This is more to Sassy's point I think. Is self requested relegation (with review) allowed? Meaning if I struggle on my tour for a period of time (say we have 2 yearly review periods, May and August) can I ask to be demoted to a lower tour? I realize we are working very hard (and doing a hell of a job - good work guys) on creating a tour as close to real life as possible. Maybe we need to add one or two tweaks that are "gaming" related. A year is a long time to languish on a tour for which you are not cut out. I agree with some of the posts about not liking it to be forced upon people, but self relegation for the right reasons (competitive balance) I think would be a good thing. If 8 people self relegate to say the web from the top tours, then 8 could move up (OR more sponser exemptions would be available). The q school worked. Most people are where they belong, but as time goes on, people will get better at very different rates. The game will allow people to improve or struggle much quicker than in real life so I think we should have some consideration for moving down to keep that balance. We're mulling over this. But changes will not be coming any time soon. 1 week of tournaments with unbalanced fields due to an invite only event is not a good sample size at all, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Lots of questions surrounding the demotion issue and its trickle-down effect. We'll keep improving the process. But don't expect to see this implemented any time in the next month, at least. |
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Post by misternic on Jan 9, 2015 10:39:54 GMT -5
Question: This is more to Sassy's point I think. Is self requested relegation (with review) allowed? Meaning if I struggle on my tour for a period of time (say we have 2 yearly review periods, May and August) can I ask to be demoted to a lower tour? I realize we are working very hard (and doing a hell of a job - good work guys) on creating a tour as close to real life as possible. Maybe we need to add one or two tweaks that are "gaming" related. A year is a long time to languish on a tour for which you are not cut out. I agree with some of the posts about not liking it to be forced upon people, but self relegation for the right reasons (competitive balance) I think would be a good thing. If 8 people self relegate to say the web from the top tours, then 8 could move up (OR more sponser exemptions would be available). The q school worked. Most people are where they belong, but as time goes on, people will get better at very different rates. The game will allow people to improve or struggle much quicker than in real life so I think we should have some consideration for moving down to keep that balance. We're mulling over this. But changes will not be coming any time soon. 1 week of tournaments with unbalanced fields due to an invite only event is not a good sample size at all, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Lots of questions surrounding the demotion issue and its trickle-down effect. We'll keep improving the process. But don't expect to see this implemented any time in the next month, at least. Completely agree. In my opinion TGCTours.com has been designed to have staying power. I view it as a multi year commitment for me on and off the course. I would hope that most changes would be made in the direction and at the speed of long term success. |
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TGCT Name: Roddy macdougall
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Post by roddymacd on Jan 9, 2015 10:46:49 GMT -5
Heck it the competitive nature I like I can shoot -8 on most courses very rarely get double digits but i know I'm capable off doing it like last round on toc I shot a -14 on Xbox now if I can do that once I can do it again that's what I strive to do get better and try to compete at the top end off the tour, maybe wishful thinking on my part but one can dream can't they, just keep giving it ago you will get better I play online enabled stroke play with 3 friends all the time two off them were not the best when they started but what a difference in there play now I try to give them as much advice as I can and it seems to be working the best thing I told them was when playing by themselves put a ghost player on it makes a difference trying to compete against someone else rather and just bashing the ball about yourself hope this makes sense.
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Post by jwfickett on Jan 9, 2015 10:46:54 GMT -5
We're mulling over this. But changes will not be coming any time soon. 1 week of tournaments with unbalanced fields due to an invite only event is not a good sample size at all, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Lots of questions surrounding the demotion issue and its trickle-down effect. We'll keep improving the process. But don't expect to see this implemented any time in the next month, at least. Completely agree. In my opinion TGCTours.com has been designed to have staying power. I view it as a multi year commitment for me on and off the course. I would hope that most changes would be made in the direction and at the speed of long term success. As long as the numbers/interest stay high, we'll be here. This was 8 months in the making just to get to this point, and there is so much more we have in store if the demand is there. We hope others have the same viewpoint that you do. Hopefully HBS is just as committed, too. From what we've seen so far, that seems to be the case. |
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jan 9, 2015 11:45:35 GMT -5
Completely agree. In my opinion TGCTours.com has been designed to have staying power. I view it as a multi year commitment for me on and off the course. I would hope that most changes would be made in the direction and at the speed of long term success. As long as the numbers/interest stay high, we'll be here. This was 8 months in the making just to get to this point, and there is so much more we have in store if the demand is there. We hope others have the same viewpoint that you do. Hopefully HBS is just as committed, too. From what we've seen so far, that seems to be the case. API key requests being honored as originally promised would help me in the HBS commitment department, personally... but in most other avenues, it's all positives. |
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rustymike12
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TGCT Name: Michael D Chaney
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Post by rustymike12 on Jan 9, 2015 13:35:46 GMT -5
I will keep competing and I expect to improve, but the realism ship sailed long ago with the ridiculously low scores, and maybe I'll get there too, but some folks can't spend the time to practice or they look at the game for what it is and are happy. To miss cut after cut will thin the participation count in a hurry and I don't think management wants that to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 10:31:50 GMT -5
One thing for all to think about when we talk about the lack of realism in this game with the mid 50's scoring. If there was some adjustment that ended up with the top players shooting scores equivalent to the real tours, then I believe all the results would still be relative, meaning that most of the players would be shooting 8-10 shots higher than now. The cuts would still be the same, but players who really don't have the time to get to devote to getting to the next level would then be shooting scores that would really make them want to quit. I averaged -8 in the first tourney, just made the cut, and yes was blown away at the leader's scores, but I can see where my game falls short. We all can hit the same tee shots. It's all about correctly figuring the landing spot for the approach shot and executing the shot. The best players repeat close shots and make the putts. I hit some close, some not, and make some putts. Here's what I do as an average player to score. Hit the fairway and avoid heavy rough at all costs. During practice rounds, see where the bad spots are and avoid them during the tourney. For putting, play more break than you think. Putting still is very hard, but try to miss on the high side of the hole and you will see drastic improvement. I now use 3' beyond all putts except downhill and super fast greens and on putts of 4-5 feet I usually do more as I used to leave putts short. Above all, take your time preshot. Most of us are super competitive otherwise we wouldn't be on these tours. For me the tgctours kept this game from heading to the giveaway pile. And what a job they have done! For those discouraged, hang in there and keep honing your game.
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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 12, 2015 15:37:08 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for an answer to a question. I'll post it again. But I would really like an answer to this question. It simply doesn't happen in real life. The MC players DO get paid, just not as much as those who make it. The Missed Cut players DO get paid? Ok. I was under the impression if they missed the cut, they didn't get a check for that tournament. If the tournament isn't paying them, who is? Sponsors? Sponsors want to see results. Not that you have to win, or even finish in the top 20, but not making the cut means less air time for their products.
So how are the Missed Cut players getting paid? These sponsors expect results and if a sponsored player is missing cut after cut after cut, they are not getting results. |
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Post by schatuk on Jan 12, 2015 19:21:17 GMT -5
So how are the Missed Cut players getting paid? These sponsors expect results and if a sponsored player is missing cut after cut after cut, they are not getting results. Looked into this some more and I was right and wrong. Some of the tournaments, generally the Invitationals and other restricted field events, even pro-ams etc do pay prize money below the cut line. Regular Tour events generally don't Most of those players missing lots of cuts subsist on personal sponsorship which will obviously only go so far and for so long. My point still holds though that players don't and won't throw in a Tour card simply on the basis of missing cuts because the prize money in the lower tours is so much lower and let's be fair, if someone is missing cuts in the PGA there's no guarantee they'd start making them in the lower tour. The game is essentially the same. |
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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 12, 2015 20:34:03 GMT -5
No, there's no guarantee they would they'd start making cuts in the lower tours, but they would have a much better chance. While the game is essentially the same, the players playing on that lower tour would be less skilled than the ones in the upper tour. Since this player is consistently missing cuts, he has a lot better chance of making some cuts in the lower tour. And as for the money being lower, sure. But I think it would be better having a $7000 paycheck in the lower tour, as opposed to a $25,000 paycheck in the upper tour (that he never makes) than to have no paycheck at all. But of course, there are no guarantees. It's not about guarantees. It's about maximizing odds.
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Post by schatuk on Jan 13, 2015 2:23:58 GMT -5
It's about maximizing odds. It's also about living the dream. Most of these guys probably wanted to be a Tour Pro since they first picked up a club. It's a little hard to be dispassionate under those circumstances. |
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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 13, 2015 6:52:03 GMT -5
I guess so. I guess going hungry is a price they're willing to pay to play 2 rounds at a PGA tour event week to week. I guarantee you, it wouldn't happen with me. At that level, livelihoods are on the line. And I don't know about anyone else but if I don't get paid, my landlord kicks me out in the street; and well he should. These guys need to face reality. Not everyone is good enough to compete at the top tier. That's unfortunate, yes, but it's the way the world wags.
And no, I'm not trying to be intentionally hard. I just face reality and reality is hard at times.
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