JoeOP
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Post by JoeOP on Jan 8, 2015 19:22:36 GMT -5
Not to start any arguments but if the field isnt somewhat level and if the game itself doesnt provide for a fair online tournament experience I wont invest my time into it. The way players can wait out high winds doesn't work for me. Ive withdrawn from the Westchester Open. If you didn't want to start any arguments, then why the post? Just asking ;-) Ok, we can have an argument if you want. When TGC fixes wind options in tournaments ill come back and take another look at tgctours. |
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Post by dlw1964 on Jan 8, 2015 19:38:51 GMT -5
If you didn't want to start any arguments, then why the post? Just asking ;-) Ok, we can have an argument if you want. When TGC fixes wind options in tournaments ill come back and take another look at tgctours. lol What does the wind have to do with anything. Do you think that the names at the top of the leaderboard is going to change if we all play 20 mph winds? Trust me there not. |
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Post by Armed and Dadly on Jan 8, 2015 19:44:22 GMT -5
Under the current set up there's nothing the tgc can do about the wind. Nobody making anybody play high winds. It's to each individual to decide what winds they going to play. Basically my rule of thumb is I see a double digit wind on hole one I back out and come back later. Single digit I play. Once I start a round I don't quit. Also this applies whether I'm playing a tournament or just playing for shits and giggles. Now I wish we all played the same wind and hopefully someday we will. 20 mph doesn't scare me, I'm just not going to play high winds unless I know everybody is. I know how to play high winds but it's foolish to play them if you don't have to. No I don't wait for 0 wind don't have enough time or patience. I would say the majority of my rounds are played between 5-10 mph. I have to agree with you. I played my first 2 rounds on the same day, day 1 of the tournament and the winds were 6mph so nothing big but until there is a way to manage the wind, we cannot stop anyone from being patient and waiting for favorable winds. |
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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 8, 2015 20:32:04 GMT -5
I'm not leaving, but if I miss 5 cuts in a row, I will ask to be demoted to the Champions tour. And if the answer is no, then I will intentionally skip the next 5 events so they can demote me within the rules. I don't have to win, or even get in the top 20. But if I can't even make the cut, then I am playing out of my weight.
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JoeOP
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Post by JoeOP on Jan 8, 2015 21:28:05 GMT -5
we cannot stop anyone from being patient and waiting for favorable winds. I find that pretty unrealistic, unfair and it favors players who have all day and night to sit on TGC waiting for winds to die down. I dont see how you can have a legit tournament when people are playing with random difficulties from one round to the next. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 22:07:16 GMT -5
I find that pretty unrealistic, unfair and it favors players who have all day and night to sit on TGC waiting for winds to die down. I dont see how you can have a legit tournament when people are playing with random difficulties from one round to the next. Winds aren't the same for 10 hours straight in real life. Golfers play in the same tournament with different conditions all the time. Sure being able to come back another time isn't very realistic, but still. Not everyone is on a level playing field to begin with in real golf when you have a tournament going on all day. Winds, Rain, Course Conditions, green/fairway firmness change in the matter of hours or quicker. So I don't have a problem with people playing in different conditions. |
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Post by Maark on Jan 9, 2015 2:44:05 GMT -5
I don't think Sassy L's post was concerned with the wind. I play TGC as a golf game not as a maths / physics equation. I pick the club which I feel is closest to desired range, apply loft and swiing away. Using these methods I thoroughly enjoy each round I play, but I will never get close to elite players, nor do I need to. What I would like however is to feel that I can make a cut or two without having to shoot personal bests each tiime.
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Post by Doyley on Jan 9, 2015 7:41:54 GMT -5
The math only takes a few seconds per shot.
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rustymike12
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Post by rustymike12 on Jan 9, 2015 7:59:03 GMT -5
I don't think Sassy L's post was concerned with the wind. I play TGC as a golf game not as a maths / physics equation. I pick the club which I feel is closest to desired range, apply loft and swiing away. Using these methods I thoroughly enjoy each round I play, but I will never get close to elite players, nor do I need to. What I would like however is to feel that I can make a cut or two without having to shoot personal bests each tiime. I agree, some of us are golfers playing a video game, and others are gamers playing a golf game. The realism is gone when scores are -25 or more after 2 rounds, therefore the fun is gone as well. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 9, 2015 8:19:36 GMT -5
I don't think Sassy L's post was concerned with the wind. I play TGC as a golf game not as a maths / physics equation. I pick the club which I feel is closest to desired range, apply loft and swiing away. Using these methods I thoroughly enjoy each round I play, but I will never get close to elite players, nor do I need to. What I would like however is to feel that I can make a cut or two without having to shoot personal bests each tiime. I agree, some of us are golfers playing a video game, and others are gamers playing a golf game. The realism is gone when scores are -25 or more after 2 rounds, therefore the fun is gone as well. I disagree. If you continue to play in these tours and the only goal you have is to win every week, then you are probably in the wrong place. Most of us will never catch the top players in a given tour. But you can do is this. Set goals for yourself. For example my goals are as follows: 1. Have a year end stroke average of 65.0 or below. 2. Make 75% of all cuts. 3. Have 5 top 25 finishes 4. Qualify for a major or WGC event 5. Retain my PGA card. 6. Make a cut in a major. Also, find some friendly rivals among your tour. I do this with the guys I built this site with: Job, Jeff, and Doyley. I play with their ghost and try to beat them. It's a blast, especially seeing if I stay within 5 strokes of Doyley in any given round. Again, if your one and only goal playing here is to have your name perched at the top of the leaderboard, then you will not have fun and you will continue to be frustrated each and and every week. Shift your perspective. Have fun.. Try to improve and set goals and work hard to attain them. -Tim |
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Post by SmilingGoats on Jan 9, 2015 8:23:37 GMT -5
The worse thing you could do right now is leave after one tourney. Not to start any arguments but if the field isnt somewhat level and if the game itself doesnt provide for a fair online tournament experience I wont invest my time into it. The way players can wait out high winds doesn't work for me. Ive withdrawn from the Westchester Open. I think the point to be made here is that we are creating something new...we have no precedent to work from and therefore have done our best to try to set things up in the way we feel will provide a balance of real life simulation, online fun, and community. Not an easy task. But we are continually working to create. What no leader should do is make a knee-jerk reaction and so we as the staff can't make decisions based on one week's play. And we hope you won't either. If you're not having fun and want to sit out a week or two and monitor how it goes, fine. But give it another shot. If we feel changes are to be made for the betterment of the community, we won't hesitate to make them. But what we don't want to do is keep making changes to the structure of things rapidly as it just creates confusion. We need to be careful and deliberate in our process. |
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Post by jwfickett on Jan 9, 2015 9:19:35 GMT -5
Fantastic post, Jeff.
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rustymike12
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Post by rustymike12 on Jan 9, 2015 9:34:24 GMT -5
I agree, some of us are golfers playing a video game, and others are gamers playing a golf game. The realism is gone when scores are -25 or more after 2 rounds, therefore the fun is gone as well. I disagree. If you continue to play in these tours and the only goal you have is to win every week, then you are probably in the wrong place. Most of us will never catch the top players in a given tour. But you can do is this. Set goals for yourself. For example my goals are as follows: 1. Have a year end stroke average of 65.0 or below. 2. Make 75% of all cuts. 3. Have 5 top 25 finishes 4. Qualify for a major or WGC event 5. Retain my PGA card. 6. Make a cut in a major. Also, find some friendly rivals among your tour. I do this with the guys I built this site with: Job, Jeff, and Doyley. I play with their ghost and try to beat them. It's a blast, especially seeing if I stay within 5 strokes of Doyley in any given round. Again, if your one and only goal playing here is to have your name perched at the top of the leaderboard, then you will not have fun and you will continue to be frustrated each and and every week. Shift your perspective. Have fun.. Try to improve and set goals and work hard to attain them. -Tim Good advice for sure but I stand by my statement. |
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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 9, 2015 9:49:16 GMT -5
Win? I don't think I'll ever win a tourney or even place in the top 10; at least on the Web.com tour. But missing cut after cut after cut ad nauseum is no fun at all. And if you aren't having fun, then why do it?
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Post by misternic on Jan 9, 2015 10:20:08 GMT -5
Question: This is more to Sassy's point I think. Is self requested relegation (with review) allowed? Meaning if I struggle on my tour for a period of time (say we have 2 yearly review periods, May and August) can I ask to be demoted to a lower tour? I realize we are working very hard (and doing a hell of a job - good work guys) on creating a tour as close to real life as possible. Maybe we need to add one or two tweaks that are "gaming" related. A year is a long time to languish on a tour for which you are not cut out. I agree with some of the posts about not liking it to be forced upon people, but self relegation for the right reasons (competitive balance) I think would be a good thing. If 8 people self relegate to say the web from the top tours, then 8 could move up (OR more sponser exemptions would be available). The q school worked. Most people are where they belong, but as time goes on, people will get better at very different rates. The game will allow people to improve or struggle much quicker than in real life so I think we should have some consideration for moving down to keep that balance.
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