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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 8, 2015 10:59:50 GMT -5
Hi all.
I know some people aren't going to like this, but I'm suggesting it to try to help better this place.
My recommendation is this. 'Missing x number of cuts in a row will result in demotion to the next lower level' where x is a certain number. I recommend no less than 5. So if it was 5 it would be 'Missing 5 cuts in a row will result in demotion to the next lower level'.
The reason I am suggesting this is if someone misses 5 or 6 or 7 etc. cuts in a row, they are obviously playing out of their league. And in my case, if I were to miss 5 in a row, I would ask for a demotion as I was not being competitive where I was. You think this wouldn't happen in real life? If someone misses 5 cuts in a row, he hasn't gotten paid for more than a month. Maybe he wouldn't make as much on the next lower tier, but he would make something and something is better than nothing.
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jan 8, 2015 11:22:29 GMT -5
I understand the thought, but I think the discouragement/pressure people will feel will keep them away, or become more frustrated with the Tour as a whole. Now, if there was still a requirement to force people to miss "x" tournaments a season, then this might make more sense, since people could attempt to pick and choose their tournaments to make a cut as a primary goal and retain their card.
However, I don't think your suggestion is a very viable option in the long term for anyone not considered Elite.
I think the policy on DQs and outright absence is the best approach to police the Tour. People should be encouraged to move up, and not fear during a season to be sent down if it's just a case of not playing enough golf.
Again, I understand your mindset, but I'd rather see you or anyone else focus on improving their golf game instead of seeking an out from a well-earned tour card.
Good luck!
LB
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Post by schatuk on Jan 8, 2015 11:52:04 GMT -5
You think this wouldn't happen in real life? If someone misses 5 cuts in a row, he hasn't gotten paid for more than a month. Maybe he wouldn't make as much on the next lower tier, but he would make something and something is better than nothing. It simply doesn't happen in real life. The MC players DO get paid, just not as much as those who make it. You never hear of players tossing in their PGA/European Card to play on the lower tours. In fact there are numerous stories of players spending YEARS not making cuts until either they finally make it or they lose their card and go back to q-school. In TGC though, unless you make promotion equally prompt, then you'll end up with far fewer in the PGA/Euro tours and massive fields in the Web.com/Champs Tours. Why try to change the system currently in place until we see whether it works or not? We haven't even finished week 1 and you're asking for radical changes based on minimal evidence. |
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Post by thrangar on Jan 8, 2015 12:43:14 GMT -5
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Post by Sassy Lady on Jan 8, 2015 14:10:39 GMT -5
You think this wouldn't happen in real life? If someone misses 5 cuts in a row, he hasn't gotten paid for more than a month. Maybe he wouldn't make as much on the next lower tier, but he would make something and something is better than nothing. It simply doesn't happen in real life. The MC players DO get paid, just not as much as those who make it. You never hear of players tossing in their PGA/European Card to play on the lower tours. In fact there are numerous stories of players spending YEARS not making cuts until either they finally make it or they lose their card and go back to q-school. In TGC though, unless you make promotion equally prompt, then you'll end up with far fewer in the PGA/Euro tours and massive fields in the Web.com/Champs Tours. Why try to change the system currently in place until we see whether it works or not? We haven't even finished week 1 and you're asking for radical changes based on minimal evidence. The Missed Cut players DO get paid? Ok. I was under the impression if they missed the cut, they didn't get a check for that tournament. If the tournament isn't paying them, who is? Sponsors? Sponsors want to see results. Not that you have to win, or even finish in the top 20, but not making the cut means less air time for their products.
And I do agree, something like this shouldn't be implemented immediately. I should have said, a recommendation to be looked at after we see what's going on. Sorry about that. But I can predict quite a few people in both the PGA and Web.com tours who are going to be $0.00 on the money list. And I include myself on that list. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear I'm correct.
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Post by JoeOP on Jan 8, 2015 14:21:10 GMT -5
Ill say if the leaderboard for web.com continues to be sub 60 I wont be on the tour for long. People waiting around for days for winds to go to 3mph isnt fun.
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Post by Maark on Jan 8, 2015 14:25:15 GMT -5
I understand where the op is coming from. We may be only in the first tournament and not quite bedded in yet, but my initial foray into the European Tour is eye opening to say the least. The cut here is out of reach for most I have rarely shot a round of -8 on any course let alone have to do it x4 only to finish 20 shots behind the leader. I will stick around, but on this early evidence I could miss 30 cuts this season, not much enjoyment to be had in that methinks, or virtual money either.
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Post by jtrippuk on Jan 8, 2015 14:27:19 GMT -5
I played my first 2 rounds on Saturday, winds were 8-15. Next 2 on Sunday, winds lower but damage was done Saturday :-(
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Post by Tim on Jan 8, 2015 14:27:56 GMT -5
Guys, just know the team will be doing everything it can to keep everyone having fun. This is the very first week guys. Just enjoy it and have fun. You haven't even seen all the cool stat pages I've been working on!
The worse thing you could do right now is leave after one tourney.
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Post by Armed and Dadly on Jan 8, 2015 15:05:49 GMT -5
Tim,
I read somewhere that the top 70 and ties will make the cut.
Here is my suggestion because I am sitting at -10 on the web.com tour and it's crazy to think I might miss the cut at that score after 2 rounds, but there at 173 players, what if the cut was moved to half the number of entrees (plus ties) into the tournament? This way half of 173 is 86. Slightly higher then 70 but not by much, this way if the top players are -25 or -26 but the majority of players are -10 to -17 we aren't suffering from 10 players shooting 59 on a daily basis.
Thoughts?
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Post by Maark on Jan 8, 2015 15:23:28 GMT -5
No worries about leaving. I appreciate all the hard work that is being done. My personal opinion is that a straight cut after q school would of helped with balance. ie top 125 all together in elite group, then next 125 in professional level, then next 150 amateur and so on down the line. Allowing many of our top 100 players the choice means we will always experience inflated cut off points.
Rant over, keep up the good work all of you.
I will strive to get better, slowly tho.
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Post by djdavefl on Jan 8, 2015 15:58:28 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that a straight cut after q school would of helped with balance. ie top 125 all together in elite group, then next 125 in professional level, then next 150 amateur and so on down the line. Allowing many of our top 100 players the choice means we will always experience inflated cut off points. I have to sorta agree with the above comment. I believe the competitive balance would have been better as originally envisioned of 1 - 125 PGA, 126-250 Euro, 251-400 Web.com, and 401+ Champions. However as I recall there was a contingent of real life Euros, who felt that the tours should be equal and players could have a choice of tours. That change did create a bit of a competitive imbalance, as 9 of the top 30 finishers in q-school chose the euro tour. That will make it very difficult for most Euro players to make a top 10 finish. Thus the range in tours is now PGA (Q-school finishers) 1 - 187 EURO (Q-school finishers) 3 - 287 So I can understand the frustrations, but I also embrace the challenges ahead as I try to improve. But look at the example of Fabrizio Donadoni.... he finished Q-school with a total of EVEN par in 242nd position. He finished the first round at the South Africa Open at -14, and currently sits tied for 4th after two rounds at -24. On the other side of this coin are a number of players who finished Q-school in the Top 50, but are at or near the cut line of this event. |
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Post by JoeOP on Jan 8, 2015 18:22:30 GMT -5
The worse thing you could do right now is leave after one tourney. Not to start any arguments but if the field isnt somewhat level and if the game itself doesnt provide for a fair online tournament experience I wont invest my time into it. The way players can wait out high winds doesn't work for me. Ive withdrawn from the Westchester Open. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 8, 2015 18:35:43 GMT -5
The worse thing you could do right now is leave after one tourney. Not to start any arguments but if the field isnt somewhat level and if the game itself doesnt provide for a fair online tournament experience I wont invest my time into it. The way players can wait out high winds doesn't work for me. Ive withdrawn from the Westchester Open. If you didn't want to start any arguments, then why the post? Just asking ;-) |
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Post by dlw1964 on Jan 8, 2015 18:53:16 GMT -5
Under the current set up there's nothing the tgc can do about the wind.
Nobody making anybody play high winds. It's to each individual to decide what winds they going to play.
Basically my rule of thumb is I see a double digit wind on hole one I back out and come back later. Single digit I play. Once I start a round I don't quit.
Also this applies whether I'm playing a tournament or just playing for shits and giggles.
Now I wish we all played the same wind and hopefully someday we will.
20 mph doesn't scare me, I'm just not going to play high winds unless I know everybody is. I know how to play high winds but it's foolish to play them if you don't have to.
No I don't wait for 0 wind don't have enough time or patience.
I would say the majority of my rounds are played between 5-10 mph.
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