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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 15:42:16 GMT -5
I've decided to take a break from my music for a while which leaves a big hole in my day with nothing to do. So, I've decided to finally get serious about designing a course. But I can't decide what theme to choose. Is there one that's in demand either because there aren't a lot of quality courses using that them or because it's considered one of the better themes and many great courses have been made using it?
I understand the theme itself doesn't make the course. But I at least want to start off with something where I have a better chance of succeeding making something that will be tour playable.
I have played a lot of courses and have over 5,000 hours in this game. I think I'm ready to finally tackle this seriously. I just need this little jump start to get me going.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 16:15:22 GMT -5
You would honestly be better off coming up with a concept for your course, and then picking the theme that best fits your ideas.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 16:23:14 GMT -5
You would honestly be better off coming up with a concept for your course, and then picking the theme that best fits your ideas. Okay, could you give me an idea of what you mean by concept? Outside of the scenery, courses are essentially tee boxes, fairways and greens. The yardages and shapes may be different and there may be things in one that aren't in another, like water, desert, etc. but for the most part, a golf course is a golf course. In fact, from my visual perspective playing all these courses, the only ones that are extremely different from most other courses are Links courses and I have no desire to make one of them. They bore me to tears. I just want to make a regular course with trees, maybe some water (lakes) around (but not an island course), club house in the center. You know. Nothing fancy. I just want to do a typical basic course that will, hopefully, structure wise be good enough to host an event after I fix all the problems with it as pointed out by the top designers. So again I ask, what do you mean by a concept? Examples would help.
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Post by jacobkessler on May 17, 2017 18:23:35 GMT -5
Although Griff is right and a concept is the most important part, theme is usually determined by concept.
I will give you advice though: Use Rustic instead of Rural Use Swiss instead of Alpine Use Highlands instead of Links
Now, for concept, that's really the "style" of course you go for. Here are a few examples: Links style would be like St. Andrews, Carnousie, Royal Lytham & St. Anne's, etc. the British courses
Parkland is kind of the classic Midwestern feel, with straight fairways. Courses like Oakmont, Oakland Hills, and (not as well known, but my favorite of this type) Scioto.
Plantation style is more of a southern feel. Courses like TPC Sawgrass, Harbour Town, etc. with long bunkers and usually a pine straw look
Contemporary style isn't really an "official" style, but that's what I call courses like many around the central Ohio area- the most popular would be Muirfield Village. Lots of times, they don't have super straight fairways, and are kind of a blend of many styles. My personal favorite of this kind is Tartan Fields Golf Club- it's an Arnold Palmer design in Dublin, OH and I can post a pic or two if you'd like.
Desert style is pretty self explanatory, where the contouring has to be a challenge, as you can't really use trees for that purpose.
Final one I'll mention is the Dunes style. Basically, the Monterey Peninsula courses. Lots of tall grasses with large, sprawling bunkers.
Obviously there are many more styles. Heck, you could even find some way to create your own new style, known worldwide as the "Wags" style... lol
One last thing in concept is realistic or fantasy. Pretty self explanatory as well. Realistic courses look like you could find them in real life, and fantasy you couldn't.
Anyway, although I'm not exactly the greatest or most experienced designer ever, I'll gladly answer any design questions you have.
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Post by Royce on May 17, 2017 18:28:32 GMT -5
Delta mate, not nearly enough good courses in this theme so give this one a vote from me.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:54:02 GMT -5
Although Griff is right and a concept is the most important part, theme is usually determined by concept. I will give you advice though: Use Rustic instead of Rural Use Swiss instead of Alpine Use Highlands instead of Links Now, for concept, that's really the "style" of course you go for. Here are a few examples: Links style would be like St. Andrews, Carnousie, Royal Lytham & St. Anne's, etc. the British courses Parkland is kind of the classic Midwestern feel, with straight fairways. Courses like Oakmont, Oakland Hills, and (not as well known, but my favorite of this type) Scioto. Plantation style is more of a southern feel. Courses like TPC Sawgrass, Harbour Town, etc. with long bunkers and usually a pine straw look Contemporary style isn't really an "official" style, but that's what I call courses like many around the central Ohio area- the most popular would be Muirfield Village. Lots of times, they don't have super straight fairways, and are kind of a blend of many styles. My personal favorite of this kind is Tartan Fields Golf Club- it's an Arnold Palmer design in Dublin, OH and I can post a pic or two if you'd like. Desert style is pretty self explanatory, where the contouring has to be a challenge, as you can't really use trees for that purpose. Final one I'll mention is the Dunes style. Basically, the Monterey Peninsula courses. Lots of tall grasses with large, sprawling bunkers. Obviously there are many more styles. Heck, you could even find some way to create your own new style, known worldwide as the "Wags" style... lol One last thing in concept is realistic or fantasy. Pretty self explanatory as well. Realistic courses look like you could find them in real life, and fantasy you couldn't. Anyway, although I'm not exactly the greatest or most experienced designer ever, I'll gladly answer any design questions you have. Thanks. I guess this helps. But honestly, what would help is if I played golf in real life. I haven't been on a course in over 40 years. My "exposure" to courses is this game. And after a while, they all just start to blend together, with a few exceptions like the desert courses which look so different from everything else because there are no trees or the links courses. But everything else, to me, is just tee box, fairway in front, lots of trees, maybe some water, sand, green. Very few courses, for me anyway, stand out. I guess I could just take one course and copy the style. But then I still wouldn't know what theme they used, if that even matters. If this sounds like this will be my first course, it's not. I've actually done a good 8 or 10 courses at least. But they're all crap because they were all done when I first got the game and didn't know anything. At least now I have the experience of playing hundreds of courses. I'm just not sure how much that's going to help.
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Post by jacobkessler on May 17, 2017 19:05:14 GMT -5
Delta mate, not nearly enough good courses in this theme so give this one a vote from me. Probably the hardest theme to design in though. It's so hard to decide what to do with all that white sand. I agree, there should be more, but there's a reason there aren't as many Delta courses.
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Post by Han on May 17, 2017 19:31:05 GMT -5
Delta mate, not nearly enough good courses in this theme so give this one a vote from me. Probably the hardest theme to design in though. It's so hard to decide what to do with all that white sand. I agree, there should be more, but there's a reason there aren't as many Delta courses. You dont have to do anything with "all that white sand" you can just get rid of it all fairly easily if you wish. Valle de los Reyes is done in delta and it looks nothing like the majority of delta courses out there (in my opinion). I would even go so far as to say you could easily be mistaken for thinking it isn't even a delta course in the first place (at first glance).
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Post by jacobkessler on May 17, 2017 19:41:46 GMT -5
Probably the hardest theme to design in though. It's so hard to decide what to do with all that white sand. I agree, there should be more, but there's a reason there aren't as many Delta courses. You dont have to do anything with "all that white sand" you can just get rid of it all fairly easily if you wish. Valle de los Reyes is done in delta and it looks nothing like the majority of delta courses out there (in my opinion). I would even go so far as to say you could easily be mistaken for thinking it isn't even a delta course in the first place (at first glance). I like the white sand, it's just where to cut it off. I don't know why I'd use delta if I didn't want that. Whatever. To each their own.
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Post by Han on May 17, 2017 19:47:36 GMT -5
You dont have to do anything with "all that white sand" you can just get rid of it all fairly easily if you wish. Valle de los Reyes is done in delta and it looks nothing like the majority of delta courses out there (in my opinion). I would even go so far as to say you could easily be mistaken for thinking it isn't even a delta course in the first place (at first glance). I like the white sand, it's just where to cut it off. I don't know why I'd use delta if I didn't want that. Whatever. To each their own. For the trees, it's all about the trees........
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Post by jacobkessler on May 17, 2017 20:02:34 GMT -5
I like the white sand, it's just where to cut it off. I don't know why I'd use delta if I didn't want that. Whatever. To each their own. For the trees, it's all about the trees........ And the sounds the birds make...
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Post by staypuft39 on May 17, 2017 20:08:58 GMT -5
I've decided to take a break from my music for a while which leaves a big hole in my day with nothing to do. So, I've decided to finally get serious about designing a course. But I can't decide what theme to choose. Is there one that's in demand either because there aren't a lot of quality courses using that them or because it's considered one of the better themes and many great courses have been made using it? I understand the theme itself doesn't make the course. But I at least want to start off with something where I have a better chance of succeeding making something that will be tour playable. I have played a lot of courses and have over 5,000 hours in this game. I think I'm ready to finally tackle this seriously. I just need this little jump start to get me going. Thanks. It's tough Wags, as you kind of need a passion for designing, like you have for music. If you see a course as "some tees, fairway, a tree, a lake, some sand"...then I can't see you designing anything worth playing. My honest suggestion is to read a book on course design, or even just some internet stuff...you may start to appreciate some of the nuance that goes into it, and I bet it helps your playing too.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:22:28 GMT -5
I've decided to take a break from my music for a while which leaves a big hole in my day with nothing to do. So, I've decided to finally get serious about designing a course. But I can't decide what theme to choose. Is there one that's in demand either because there aren't a lot of quality courses using that them or because it's considered one of the better themes and many great courses have been made using it? I understand the theme itself doesn't make the course. But I at least want to start off with something where I have a better chance of succeeding making something that will be tour playable. I have played a lot of courses and have over 5,000 hours in this game. I think I'm ready to finally tackle this seriously. I just need this little jump start to get me going. Thanks. It's tough Wags, as you kind of need a passion for designing, like you have for music. If you see a course as "some tees, fairway, a tree, a lake, some sand"...then I can't see you designing anything worth playing. My honest suggestion is to read a book on course design, or even just some internet stuff...you may start to appreciate some of the nuance that goes into it, and I bet it helps your playing too. I'm all for suggestions as far as how to go about doing this. Videos? Forum Threads? I don't want to bother anybody personally because I know everyone's time is limited. So I'm ready to do this on my own. I just don't know where to begin.
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Post by Griz891 on May 17, 2017 20:46:25 GMT -5
Wags....Sometimes just start the course and after about 3 or 4 holes, switch themes a few times and see what makes it pop. I don't know how many times I've started on a theme and decided to see how it looked in some of the others and BAM!!!..One just catches the eye and that's what you go with.
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Post by jacobkessler on May 18, 2017 5:48:17 GMT -5
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