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Post by hammo24983 on Feb 5, 2016 17:44:17 GMT -5
1. Personally have no issue with knowing the course weeks before. In real life the players know exactly where they are playing in a year from now. They can then choose to have as little or as much practice as they want at that venue.
2. Also have no issue with ghost balls. It seems to be a talking point on a regular basis. Everyone has the option to do it so no one gets an advantage as a result. In my opinion the most unrealistic feature in this game is the ability to zoom. You can have 150 yards to the pin, zoom up to the green and work out the exact break of every green, work out exactly where you need to land it and then zoom back. That feature allows people to play well without mapping out a course. When playing TST, if you are serious and want to do well, you really have to play practice rounds and take notes so you know where slopes are etc. that skill is lost with zoom. If you look at Jordan speith, he is looking at his yardage book all the time. The work he puts in to mapping out courses is one of the many reasons he is so good. It's a real skill and art to mapping and planning out a course and how you want to play it. I would love to see the zoom feature gone so people would need to spend more time mapping out courses. It would give those who are prepared to put the work in to a map out a course an advantage which they would deserve. I don't have time to do that so it wouldn't affect me, but if someone gains 5 shots a tournament because they spent 10 hours practicing a course then good on them I say. I would take zoom out before anything else if we are trying to make this more realistic.
3. I do agree with you smurf in regards to cheating. It would be naive to think that no one is doing it but at the end of the day, if people are that pathetic to want to cheat at a computer game then I feel sorry for them. I certainly don't lose sleep over it.
4. This would be tough for me as I have no idea how to "twitch" or do anything remotely like this. Lucky I'm not a top 20 player I guess. Haha
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 17:46:50 GMT -5
I assume you can't practice the course, why else would anybody ever suggest that no-one else should be able to practice the course. Really, we can't practice now. Should I delete my range as well. Maybe no one should be allowed to login and play either. Only play allowed is tournament rounds, that's all. And nerf playing with friends as well, you only need 1 ball to hit before you to get an idea of what the rollout will be. Nerf it all not this half way BS because you may like to play with friends, nerf the whole shooting match, no ghosts, no friends no nothing. Fine don't release the course ever. Since we cant practice or play, does not much matter anymore. So if later you say you are not looking for straight shooting, WTF are you looking for, what do you know the rest of us don't. Spit it out, stop this run around suzie secretive BS with innuendo and state it bluntly, how are people cheating? How is nerfing practice going to nerf cheating. What you don't find this fun, I find it fun, I have set myself quite a little routine that you are trying to nerf with your number 1. I still don't get even if I play the course several times what more knowledge I'm gaining from playing it once. Just so happens I rarely ever play any other course but the tournament courses. Sure I play the odd one released by people, but mostly I stick to the tournament courses. Why, why not, is the way I figure it. I don't see much point in playing other courses. Even in RL I play the course around the corner from me 200 times a year. I go to Myrtle once per year to play 8 days, 5 of which are courses I have played before. I particularly enjoy playing courses many times way more than playing new courses. So yeah this pisses me off because you are coming up with BS reasons to nerf my practice of the courses because I choose to practice the courses. No other reason then that, just because I practice the course, I enjoy practicing the course, you see the need to nerf that. So yeah I'm pissed and I see it as a personal hit. I have never done a thing to you. Your rule does nothing as well except spoil it for me, what's to stop anyone from playing the course after they know what it is and before they play their rounds. I don't have to play on Saturday, I can delay till Wednesday or Thursday, what exactly has been accomplished for you other then my enjoyment of the game getting nicked. Does that give you pleasure, nerfing my enjoyment of the game. I think you are a paranoid delusional attempting to gather up the forces of the other paranoid delusional with this everybody is cheating crap. Lol Boom Boom, i think u need professional help. Not that ur incoherent ramble deserves an answer but il give u one anyways, jus incase u think im ruining ur fun by not doing so. 1) Ur assumption i cant and dont practice tourny courses is incorrect. I do practice course as much as everybody else. My point was that its known months in advance in some cases what courses are gonna be played in some events and that gives ppl the chance to map the course which most other people wont hav the time. Id compare it to the wind waiting scenario....the update helped ppl who didnt hav time to wind wait for 1s & 2s. I think this is another thing that helps such ppl (Not me, as i do hav a bit of spare time). THIS DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM PLAYING THE GAME IN ANY WAY. 2) I dont know anyone who plays there weekly tournys live with other people, so I cant see this being a huge issue. Sorry if my IDEA isnt tailored specifically to you. 3) Your point about straight shooters makes 0 sense to me. As iv stated numerous times in this thread alone, I know and suspect 0 people of cheating on TGCTours. Hope that clears that up for u. (Somehow i sense it doesnt) 4) U can still play tourny courses in the week leading up the event if my IDEA ever becomes true. 5) My IDEA of limiting the time of courses being revealed for events has nothing to do with the fact u only play tourny course (How important u must feel). 6) If u take any of my IDEAS that have nothin to do wit u but are about the competition we play in personally I think u need to grow thicker skin or stay away from humans in general. All of the 4 things i stated are IDEAS of mine that wud make TGCTours more enjoyable and better in my opinion. Nothing i said is gonna come into reality because Iv had these IDEAS. I just thought I cud share them on this public forum and have other TGCT players discuss them (Like adults without insults) and hav ppl give their own ideas. I apologise if any of my IDEAS (which are not real, only hypothetical) has ruined ur TGC playing.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 17:49:40 GMT -5
1. Personally have no issue with knowing the course weeks before. In real life the players know exactly where they are playing in a year from now. They can then choose to have as little or as much practice as they want at that venue. 2. Also have no issue with ghost balls. It seems to be a talking point on a regular basis. Everyone has the option to do it so no one gets an advantage as a result. In my opinion the most unrealistic feature in this game is the ability to zoom. You can have 150 yards to the pin, zoom up to the green and work out the exact break of every green, work out exactly where you need to land it and then zoom back. That feature allows people to play well without mapping out a course. When playing TST, if you are serious and want to do well, you really have to play practice rounds and take notes so you know where slopes are etc. that skill is lost with zoom. If you look at Jordan speith, he is looking at his yardage book all the time. The work he puts in to mapping out courses is one of the many reasons he is so good. It's a real skill and art to mapping and planning out a course and how you want to play it. I would love to see the zoom feature gone so people would need to spend more time mapping out courses. It would give those who are prepared to put the work in to a map out a course an advantage which they would deserve. I don't have time to do that so it wouldn't affect me, but if someone gains 5 shots a tournament because they spent 10 hours practicing a course then good on them I say. I would take zoom out before anything else if we are trying to make this more realistic. 3. I do agree with you smurf in regards to cheating. It would be naive to think that no one is doing it but at the end of the day, if people are that pathetic to want to cheat at a computer game then I feel sorry for them. I certainly don't lose sleep over it. 4. This would be tough for me as I have no idea how to "twitch" or do anything remotely like this. Lucky I'm not a top 20 player I guess. Haha 2) I can assure u ppl are gaining an advantage from it.
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Post by hammo24983 on Feb 5, 2016 17:51:23 GMT -5
1. Personally have no issue with knowing the course weeks before. In real life the players know exactly where they are playing in a year from now. They can then choose to have as little or as much practice as they want at that venue. 2. Also have no issue with ghost balls. It seems to be a talking point on a regular basis. Everyone has the option to do it so no one gets an advantage as a result. In my opinion the most unrealistic feature in this game is the ability to zoom. You can have 150 yards to the pin, zoom up to the green and work out the exact break of every green, work out exactly where you need to land it and then zoom back. That feature allows people to play well without mapping out a course. When playing TST, if you are serious and want to do well, you really have to play practice rounds and take notes so you know where slopes are etc. that skill is lost with zoom. If you look at Jordan speith, he is looking at his yardage book all the time. The work he puts in to mapping out courses is one of the many reasons he is so good. It's a real skill and art to mapping and planning out a course and how you want to play it. I would love to see the zoom feature gone so people would need to spend more time mapping out courses. It would give those who are prepared to put the work in to a map out a course an advantage which they would deserve. I don't have time to do that so it wouldn't affect me, but if someone gains 5 shots a tournament because they spent 10 hours practicing a course then good on them I say. I would take zoom out before anything else if we are trying to make this more realistic. 3. I do agree with you smurf in regards to cheating. It would be naive to think that no one is doing it but at the end of the day, if people are that pathetic to want to cheat at a computer game then I feel sorry for them. I certainly don't lose sleep over it. 4. This would be tough for me as I have no idea how to "twitch" or do anything remotely like this. Lucky I'm not a top 20 player I guess. Haha 2) I can assure u ppl are gaining an advantage from it.Can you explain how Brian? Everyone gets the opportunity to use it, so everyone has the ability to take advantage of it, I don't see the issue
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 17:55:01 GMT -5
2) I can assure u ppl are gaining an advantage from it.Can you explain how Brian? Everyone gets the opportunity to use it, so everyone has the ability to take advantage of it, I don't see the issue Yes everybody can use it, but everybody doesnt use it. I think it gives "Ghost watchers" (Iv coined a new term there, lol) get too much info on their next shot that they shud hav to work out for themselves. Thats all. Id like ppl to have to work out their own shots. Some ppl actually rely on these to play, which is wrong, in my opinion.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 5, 2016 17:58:08 GMT -5
My idea on a more effective ghost ball has been to only make them visible from the camera showing your player, meaning you can't zoom in and see where they land and see their yardage to the pin where they landed and stuff like that. Obviously an HB thing.
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Post by hammo24983 on Feb 5, 2016 17:58:18 GMT -5
Can you explain how Brian? Everyone gets the opportunity to use it, so everyone has the ability to take advantage of it, I don't see the issue Yes everybody can use it, but everybody doesnt use it. I think it gives "Ghost watchers" (Iv coined a new term there, lol) get too much info on their next shot that they shud hav to work out for themselves. Thats all. Id like ppl to have to work out their own shots. Some ppl actually rely on these to play, which is wrong, in my opinion. I agree with you, but everyone gets the opportunity to do that. There's nothing stopping you from getting that informational well. I still believe the zoom feature is what allows us all to get the info required from the ghost balls. Take that away and then the ghost balls become far less relevant
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Post by blackaces13 on Feb 5, 2016 18:00:15 GMT -5
If the game had a 'putt preview' feature a la TW, that too would not provide an advantage because everyone would be able to use it equally. However, I think most of us would agree that it would provide too much info and would detract from the game.
I look at the ghost balls as similar to a 'full swing preview', especially off the tee when the wind is identical among all players.
There is no doubt that the first player to play on a given system (no available rivals) is playing at a disadvantage to others playing using 3 top rounds as ghosts.
And yes, of course I use the ghosts as well. Who am I to turn down additional info?
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 18:01:12 GMT -5
My idea on a more effective ghost ball has been to only make them visible from the camera showing your player, meaning you can't zoom in and see where they land and see their yardage to the pin where they landed and stuff like that. Obviously an HB thing. I was thinking of this too. Could work.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 18:02:08 GMT -5
If the game had a 'putt preview' feature a la TW, that too would not provide an advantage because everyone would be able to use it equally. However, I think most of us would agree that it would provide too much info and would detract from the game. I look at the ghost balls as similar to 'full swing preview', especially off the tee when the wind is identical among all players. There is no doubt that the first player to play on a given system is playing at a disadvantage to the last. Yep...this is the nail on the head.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 5, 2016 18:04:03 GMT -5
Yeah I think the biggest problem with ghost balls is being able to zoom in and see how many yards they land short of the pin. It basically gives you a perfectly exact distance on where to land on the green. I know it's not always easy to execute this, but I'd like it to be a little more in question on where you want to land on the green to get a perfect bounce and roll out.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 18:06:59 GMT -5
Yeah I think the biggest problem with ghost balls is being able to zoom in and see how many yards they land short of the pin. It basically gives you a perfectly exact distance on where to land on the green. I know it's not always easy to execute this, but I'd like it to be a little more in question on where you want to land on the green to get a perfect bounce and roll out. Exactly, it need to be changed imo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:07:00 GMT -5
Things that make tgct better:
Not having a topic every day to argue over. As soon as I read OP I knew it would go like this.
Just enjoy the game people. Sheesh.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 18:08:38 GMT -5
Things that make tgct better: Not having a topic every day to argue over. As soon as I read OP I knew it would go like this. Just enjoy the game people. Sheesh. To be fair Bob, in the main the topic has been discussed very reasonably, which was the whole point. With the odd notable exception, lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:27:13 GMT -5
I just don't see how you come to any kind of consensus on any of these. Even the cheaters... Some want to give 2nd chances. That is fine for innocent mistakes of not knowing the rules when new is one thing.
Blatant and obvious skirting of rules for the sole benefit of lower scores, etc. is the kind of one and done for me. Someone creates numerous accounts and plays them here in the same tournaments? How can anyone not know that is out and out wrong?
Thd first two are restrictions and would turn away some members. I dont get how adding restrictions "helps" tgct, but thats just me. Especially #1. I dont understand waiting on releasing a course. People want to practice 20 times. Cool. Dont care. Often these setups get tweaked 1-3 weeks out of the event. Pebble just got firmed up and multi pinned in the last few days.
#2) I use ghosts. Dont care if others use mine. I mostly use them just for a sense of fairway rollout ans green rollout on the 1st 2-3 holes. The rest is to note how other top players are doing hole by hole. But turn em off. Dont care. I will still enjoy this game. But others may not. You may not like the reasons why people enjoy them... But in the end you take away from the experience of others.
3) Been over this one. Blatant cheater. Gone for good. Bye.
4) Too many variables. Bad connections. Not understanding or liking to stream. I have before many times but i dont much anymore. I find since i dont use a mic that i feel that i have to type and respond back in the chat room. It distracts me as i am a precise and calculated player.
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