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Post by gfoss1986 on Jan 10, 2016 9:23:30 GMT -5
Hi everyone. Up here on an exemption this week. Played first two rounds and sitting at -9. Good enough to make cut and earn a Euro Tour Card? I hope so!! I enjoyed the course and the challenge it brought. That web logo signature is going to be in need of an upgrade Kenny! Great shooting as always
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 9:45:04 GMT -5
This tournament/course has changed my feelings on Firm settings. I believe, according to this firmness chart that TGC's 3 firmness settings currently fall under Soft = Receptive (70-80) Probably nearer to 70 Medium = Firm (80-100) Probably nearer to 80 Firm = Hard and Unreceptive (Over 130) www.sdinst.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Firmness_First_By_STRI.pdfJust not enjoyable. Anyways, well played to all who played well this week.
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Post by boomboom on Jan 10, 2016 11:57:15 GMT -5
This tournament/course has changed my feelings on Firm settings. I believe, according to this firmness chart that TGC's 3 firmness settings currently fall under Soft = Receptive (70-80) Probably nearer to 70 Medium = Firm (80-100) Probably nearer to 80 Firm = Hard and Unreceptive (Over 130) www.sdinst.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Firmness_First_By_STRI.pdfJust not enjoyable. Anyways, well played to all who played well this week. I'm going to beg to differ here. www.tgctours.com/Tournament/Leaderboard/1481?showEarnings=True That was Firm, that was fast and that was long, and that was -51. Yes FF is difficult here, but certainly, and not by a long shot is it unplayable or impossible. Yes you can't drop and stop some shots, you can't just willy nilly fly around the course and expect to do well, you cant see 145 to pin and just wail away. You need to plan your landing and subsequent rollout. You need to play sometimes for best chance to a par. You are not likely going to need or get birdie every hole. FF brings golf into play, it brings in the important element of course management. 95% of the golfers here just see 132 to pin and wail away. They don't even bother to look at the green they are hitting into, and if they do it's just a glance. People don't need to manage a course with medium or lower settings, they just need look at yardage, elevation, wind and wail away. Do that kind of game with FF and suddenly the game is impossible. But it's not impossible at all. How could it be impossible if so many play FF just fine and have no difficulty whatsoever. All it takes is just a little more planning and thought is all. You are not being asked to cure cancer.
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Post by ijs1543 on Jan 10, 2016 12:30:58 GMT -5
Arsenal always fall back after January anyways actually its February mate
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Post by ijs1543 on Jan 10, 2016 12:33:54 GMT -5
Hi everyone. Up here on an exemption this week. Played first two rounds and sitting at -9. Good enough to make cut and earn a Euro Tour Card? I hope so!! I enjoyed the course and the challenge it brought. -9 definitely making the cut bud congrats
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Post by Pugtrubble on Jan 10, 2016 12:45:17 GMT -5
Just a short comment and pause for thought on this week's Joburg Tourney. 1. Challenging ? - yes exceedingly challenging. 2. Planning shots ? - yes extreme care required. 3. Intensity ? allowable margins for error which will not overly punish a good shot ? not enough margin for error - nobody ENJOYS a course that will punish a good shot. Risk reward scenario very low. 4. Enjoyability ? - I was happiest when walking off the 18th regardless of my final scored achieved Why was that ? Being glad it was all over versus enjoying making good shots - which do I prefer from TGC Tours ?? 5. Element of luck ? - They say that you make your own luck and I agree with that thinking. By working, keeping your head and playing positively you will be rewarded over 4 rounds. These conditions borrowed from that reward ? 6. Target audience golfer. Yes the elite few golfers will score very well (-30 to -40 likely) but they will be the few % at the top of the pyramid. The rest of us will share scores between -3 to -30 and luck will play too much a part and perhaps,,,, enjoyment ON THE COURSE not enough 7. Suggestion - Yes keep pushing the envelope, keep challenging us all to improve, however, do it to this type of n'th degree over 6 to 12 holes and not perhaps over 12 to 18 holes Balance the enjoyment whilst still separating the men from the boys !!! Many thanks again to all in TGC Tours for the brilliant work you are doing for all of our enjoyment. Kind regards, Brendan.
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Post by Wildrover on Jan 10, 2016 13:02:05 GMT -5
Just a short comment and pause for thought on this week's Joburg Tourney. 1. Challenging ? - yes exceedingly challenging. 2. Planning shots ? - yes extreme care required. 3. Intensity ? allowable margins for error which will not overly punish a good shot ? not enough margin for error - nobody ENJOYS a course that will punish a good shot. Risk reward scenario very low. 4. Enjoyability ? - I was happiest when walking off the 18th regardless of my final scored achieved Why was that ? Being glad it was all over versus enjoying making good shots - which do I prefer from TGC Tours ?? 5. Element of luck ? - They say that you make your own luck and I agree with that thinking. By working, keeping your head and playing positively you will be rewarded over 4 rounds. These conditions borrowed from that reward ? 6. Target audience golfer. Yes the elite few golfers will score very well (-30 to -40 likely) but they will be the few % at the top of the pyramid. The rest of us will share scores between -3 to -30 and luck will play too much a part and perhaps,,,, enjoyment ON THE COURSE not enough 7. Suggestion - Yes keep pushing the envelope, keep challenging us all to improve, however, do it to this type of n'th degree over 6 to 12 holes and not perhaps over 12 to 18 holes Balance the enjoyment whilst still separating the men from the boys !!! Many thanks again to all in TGC Tours for the brilliant work you are doing for all of our enjoyment. Kind regards, Brendan. What part of that comment was short!!? I agree with all you said there bren but would just like to add that your a shoddy golfer of MAMMOTH proportions!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 13:04:44 GMT -5
I thought this tourney was very challenging but it was entirely my fault when a shot didn't turn out the way i wanted it to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 14:13:58 GMT -5
I agree with you BoomBoom that firm conditions require more thought out planning and not just target golf. The problem I have is that the highest firmness setting is a tad too high. Medium is probably about 80 on that firmness scale I posted whilst firm is borderline unplayable around 130. Just needs tweaking a tiny bit to be more like 110. I was hitting 8irons on this course that bumped on the fairway and still didn't hold the green. Poor fun.
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 10, 2016 14:42:42 GMT -5
With the change of courses, (taking out what i felt were the hardest rounds) I can now see a 59 very possible. I just practiced and got -8 with 2 or 3 missed opportunities. Just gotta make those putts!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jan 10, 2016 19:26:57 GMT -5
63-64-64-62 for -31. Played beautifully tee to green, putted like Sergio on a bad day - had a spell in Round 2 where i missed 5 putts from within 10ft in 6 holes. Brutal setup, realised just how brutal when i realised i couldn't hold the green with a sand wedge (10mph tailwind playing onto a downslope) and was forced to loft up a 7 iron to 87 yards Looking forward to some more "usual" courses over the next few weeks. Good luck to everyone this week in the meantime
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 10, 2016 20:08:22 GMT -5
Just finished my four rounds and came to the following conclusion. I play the game for fun and this tournament simply was not fun for me. When practicing I had some good rounds, some rounds that were okay and some rounds that were pathetic. The problem is even in the rounds where I shot -8 or -9 I realized I still didn't really have any fun. I have no problems with firm greens and the set up was challenging. There were some holes that were unfair in my opinion but I simply played for par in those cases, but it is frustrating when there is a tree in the way of the pin and you can't even play to the center of the green because you can't stop it on the green. Either it runs through or turns around and rolls off the front. In the end, why would you even play for the center when it is easier to go over the pin and have much easier flop/chip. I think for me what made it so unenjoyable was when I would hit what I think was a great shot. It would roll up to the pin and go past a couple yards and stop...or not. The slow roll that followed would put me 40 feet away or off the green. There are still holes that I don't think it is possible to hold anywhere withing 50 feet of the hole. Anyway, in the future if I'm left with a week where I don't like either course and I don't think I'll have fun, I simply won't play. Majors or special tournaments would be the exception. Being competitive is one thing but as I stated I play in these tournaments for fun, and simply put, this was anything but fun. I think i lost interest about 1/2 way through the 2nd round and played speed golf. I think i'll make the cut but whatever. To those who enjoy this type of tournament, have fun! To those who didn't, come join me for a beer. Cheers!
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Post by daddyjules on Jan 10, 2016 21:09:00 GMT -5
63-64-64-62 for -31. Played beautifully tee to green, putted like Sergio on a bad day - had a spell in Round 2 where i missed 5 putts from within 10ft in 6 holes. Brutal setup, realised just how brutal when i realised i couldn't hold the green with a sand wedge (10mph tailwind playing onto a downslope) and was forced to loft up a 7 iron to 87 yards Looking forward to some more "usual" courses over the next few weeks. Good luck to everyone this week in the meantime Firstly congrats for last week! And secondly well played this week, u got me by 3 strokes.
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Post by boomboom on Jan 10, 2016 21:51:41 GMT -5
I agree with you BoomBoom that firm conditions require more thought out planning and not just target golf. The problem I have is that the highest firmness setting is a tad too high. Medium is probably about 80 on that firmness scale I posted whilst firm is borderline unplayable around 130. Just needs tweaking a tiny bit to be more like 110. I was hitting 8irons on this course that bumped on the fairway and still didn't hold the green. Poor fun. Believe me Its not the conditions, it's 50% the designer, 50% the player. It's also shot selection. Some will super loft some club but that's not needed all the time. Sometimes the best shot is to land first on the green and not in front before the green. This will depend on the hole, but a shot landing just before a green on the fringe or fairway or rough will go further than a ball landing just on the green. Its a mistake many make. Players see firm fast and automatically assume all shots must be bounced on to the green. Huge rookie mistake right there. Yeah sometimes the designer just gives a big FU and makes the green inaccessible. But that's not the conditions speaking, that's the designer. In that case I try for the best spot to leave it. Yeltzman nailed Royal Lytham and St Annes 2015 he tucked nothing but the course was also taken to cleaners. But it is an excellent example of just how fair FF really is. Bottom line, the conditions are fine and could use even more IMHO, this is a people problem, not a game problem. HBS will come out with better sliders, designers will also factor that in when designing and still beat you up. Some designers just don't want -17 as the course record on their creation. I know I'm in the minority, small minority, but if FF would be embraced, the courses could be so much nicer. I just opens so many doors for designers to design courses with those conditions and only those conditions in mind.
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 10, 2016 23:19:37 GMT -5
I'm in full agreement. When the designers of the game makes a setting between medium firmness and hard firmness, I think that will hit the sweet spot for many of us.
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