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Post by Tim on Oct 17, 2015 13:13:21 GMT -5
We have just made a change to simplify the exemption rules:
* For CC-A and CC-Z the top 5+ ties will earn exemptions (mandatory and will be auto registered) * For CC-B to CC-E the top 10+ ties will earn exemptions. (mandatory and will be auto registered) * You can still earn an exemption for next flight if you are playing on exemption and qualify. * CC-Z exemptions will only be after the auto-promotions. So if someone shot <= -5 and was auto-promoted, there would only be 4 more exemptions available.
Pro Exemptions will remain the same: * Top 5+ ties will earn pro exemptions (optional)
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 17, 2015 14:57:54 GMT -5
This may sound like a stupid question...but here goes. I finished top 10 in the 1st tournament of the season in CC-D..so this week I will be on exemption in CC-C...if my score is in the top 10 for this week..do I stay in C and earn an exemption to play in CC-B next week...or do I just stay in C and play in C next week?
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Post by Doyley on Oct 17, 2015 15:00:47 GMT -5
This may sound like a stupid question...but here goes. I finished top 10 in the 1st tournament of the season in CC-D..so this week I will be on exemption in CC-C...if my score is in the top 10 for this week..do I stay in C and earn an exemption to play in CC-B next week...or do I just stay in C and play in C next week? You would be in cc-b next week on exemption with a cc-c card should you fail to earn cc-b card because we now allow you to earn exemptions while playing on an exemptions (effective week 1)
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 17, 2015 15:02:38 GMT -5
This may sound like a stupid question...but here goes. I finished top 10 in the 1st tournament of the season in CC-D..so this week I will be on exemption in CC-C...if my score is in the top 10 for this week..do I stay in C and earn an exemption to play in CC-B next week...or do I just stay in C and play in C next week? You would be in cc-b next week on exemption with a cc-c card should you fail to earn cc-b card. Thanks for the prompt reply Doyley. Blazing the trail...Onward and Upward in 2016!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 17:59:26 GMT -5
You would be in cc-b next week on exemption with a cc-c card should you fail to earn cc-b card. Thanks for the prompt reply Doyley. Blazing the trail...Onward and Upward in 2016!!! The Hammo Effect exemption pal. Blaze it!
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Post by tomtendo on Oct 17, 2015 18:13:19 GMT -5
Much more simple and quite frankly makes much more sense! Bravo
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Post by pgagolfcoach on Oct 17, 2015 21:28:03 GMT -5
Question? So in the last event " victory" Playing cc-c , i believe I finished 18th BUT UNDER THE RULES AT THE START OF THAT EVENT. I would qualify for excemption.. As I was within 15 shots (actually 9) Of the b flight leader. That should mean that this week , I will be on excemption playing in cc-b. Q1). The note sais effective immediately- does this mean I will get this excemption.. But from this event forward. I will need to finish top 10 in my flight to get an excemption? .. I hope so , as the rules in play at the start of the event should be upheld I think.
Secondly.. To remain in the flight for the following event, when playing On excemption what do I need to do to stay in the flight. Ns retain that flight card. ? I get from this event forth you get an excemption by finishing top 10. Then when playing on excemption - what would need to happen to earn the promotion and stay in that flight?
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Post by pgagolfcoach on Oct 17, 2015 22:08:13 GMT -5
Not to throw a spanner in the works... But I personally think that: Top 15 of each flight go up..promoted And bottom 15 go down a flight. This way the field would adjust more quickly to current competition.
With exception... Flight A to web. This should be top 5 or 10 go up. And demotion from web if you finish bottom 5 or 10.
Strikes.. Only around for not entering.. Ie: if you don't enter an event for 3 events (3 strikes) in a row your automatically demoted a flight.
If you compete (register) but don't submit a card. It's an NR. Ie - you will finish that event most likely in bottom 15 and therefore demoted. A flight.
This allows for someone to take say a 2 week holiday without playing and not get demoted. But stops people entering and not submitting to avoid demotion.
I think having the top 15 move up and bottom move down. Is simple. No having to retain your promotion the following week.. Apart from staying out of the bottom 15 of that new flight.
To me it makes sense., as many times , the leader or top 10 in say cc-c is higher than cc-b for example. At very least often if I came 10th in cc-c. I'm only a shot behind 10th in cc- b or a.
With this method the guys who play well can quickly move up the ranks.. And the guys who don't will quickly move down the ranks.
Players in A ... Still have to do something special top 5 to get onto web. And the bottom finishers of the web after 2 rounds (cut) get demoted.
Am I wrong or does this not make more simple.. Effective , and more quickly stops a bulge of people who should be in cc-a. Held back in cc-c .
Or those guys finishing in bottom of cc-a retaining their cc- a. Card for too long. For example. Thus the flights would be more accurate in terms of fair competition.
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Post by pgagolfcoach on Oct 18, 2015 10:29:19 GMT -5
Here is something interesting.., which I guess why I think the above process might be better.
Last week results. To finish top 10 at victory: Cc-A. -32 Cc-B. -30 Cc-C -31 Cc-D. -28
Ok as you can see -- if I was in flight B and finished -30 I would get an excemption. However if I was in flight C and finished -30. I would NOT GET ONE. The results in cc-c were actually stronger in cc-c than in CC-B. It shouldn't be harder to finish in the top 10 in C THAN IN B RIGHT. I would have also finished top 11 in cc-A. With a -30. If you can finish top 11 in CC-A you should prob be playing against those guys. Or at least be in B. But I'd end up stuck in Cc-C. Perhaps forever. Lol. I'm going to Analyze what the bottom 15 scores of each flight are. And how they compare also. To see how that is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 10:45:22 GMT -5
CC-A and CC-B had less players in it. The rule change is to balance out the top end (A and B) because the number of active members there is smaller than C and especially D and E.
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Post by Tim on Oct 18, 2015 10:54:31 GMT -5
Yea, this was effectively immediately and we are not using the old system even for this week. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 11:17:54 GMT -5
Here is something interesting.., which I guess why I think the above process might be better. Last week results. To finish top 10 at victory: Cc-A. -32 Cc-B. -30 Cc-C -31 Cc-D. -28 Ok as you can see -- if I was in flight B and finished -30 I'm going to Analyze what the bottom 15 scores of each flight are. And how they compare also. To see how that is. tgctours.proboards.com/thread/5085/challenge-circuit-courses-statsSome stats from last season for you.
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Post by Airik3333 on Oct 18, 2015 12:09:49 GMT -5
Question? So in the last event " victory" Playing cc-c , i believe I finished 18th BUT UNDER THE RULES AT THE START OF THAT EVENT. I would qualify for excemption.. As I was within 15 shots (actually 9) Of the b flight leader. That should mean that this week , I will be on excemption playing in cc-b. Q1). The note sais effective immediately- does this mean I will get this excemption.. But from this event forward. I will need to finish top 10 in my flight to get an excemption? .. I hope so , as the rules in play at the start of the event should be upheld I think. Secondly.. To remain in the flight for the following event, when playing On excemption what do I need to do to stay in the flight. Ns retain that flight card. ? I get from this event forth you get an excemption by finishing top 10. Then when playing on excemption - what would need to happen to earn the promotion and stay in that flight? I still have not seen the answer to this question.. Another example: I am on exemption to CC-C this week.. What do I have to do to remain on CC-C and not go back to CC-D ?? Surely, I don't have to finish in the top 10 to stay on CC-C..
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Post by pgagolfcoach on Oct 18, 2015 12:52:39 GMT -5
Yes I think that the stats above highlight what I'm saying honestly. Also that was under old rules. Think new rules will really bottle neck good players in low flights.. And not such good players in higher flights.
This is interesting. Last event. If u used the idea that bottom 15 bet demoted regardless. (Remember they could bounce back again the following week.. With a top 15 finish. So if it was just one bad week. They could get back quickly) ok here the stats. If bottom 15 of each event got demoted. Cc-A =. -20 through worst score -6 -- would have gone down a flight. CC-B=. -14 through + 11 -- would have gone down a flight. Cc- C =. -5 through + 25 Would have been demoted CC-D =. +7 -through +78 would have been demoted.
This seems right to me... And obviously if you finished In the top 15 in each of those flights you scored way higher than the guys who came bottom 15 of the flight above. - So surely you should be traiding places.(flights). They can climb back the next week. This way there is pressure not to shoot a bad score.. Not to give up , to grind. Middle pack scores will keep you where your at. Top pack scores n your going to move up. Week by week. This eliminates qualifying while on excemption. And makes each flight more quickly fair.. With regards to current competition. (Last weeks results)
Again strikes for only 3 consecutive no events played. 3 in a row n you go down a flight, And then demoted each week after that no show. That way - if I've stopped playing .. Anymore .. Im not hogging spots.. N I'll move to z flight quickly.
Events entered .. But no score submitted.. Same as Dq or Nr ( i.e. You come last ). You'll get demoted as you'll be in bottom 15 of flight.
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Post by mnguy12000 on Oct 20, 2015 15:00:04 GMT -5
Question? So in the last event " victory" Playing cc-c , i believe I finished 18th BUT UNDER THE RULES AT THE START OF THAT EVENT. I would qualify for excemption.. As I was within 15 shots (actually 9) Of the b flight leader. That should mean that this week , I will be on excemption playing in cc-b. Q1). The note sais effective immediately- does this mean I will get this excemption.. But from this event forward. I will need to finish top 10 in my flight to get an excemption? .. I hope so , as the rules in play at the start of the event should be upheld I think. Secondly.. To remain in the flight for the following event, when playing On excemption what do I need to do to stay in the flight. Ns retain that flight card. ? I get from this event forth you get an excemption by finishing top 10. Then when playing on excemption - what would need to happen to earn the promotion and stay in that flight? I still have not seen the answer to this question.. Another example: I am on exemption to CC-C this week.. What do I have to do to remain on CC-C and not go back to CC-D ?? Surely, I don't have to finish in the top 10 to stay on CC-C.. I think you have to finish among the top 3 that are on exemptions for that week. So if they is 7 (S) only 3 get to move up a flight. It is 1 on the Web.com tour
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