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Post by Doyley on Oct 20, 2015 17:47:07 GMT -5
Earning a Promotion There are several ways to earn a promotion to a higher tour. These include: - Win three events in your current tour ("Battlefield Promotion") - Mandatory
- While using a Sponsor's Exemption on the PGA, Euro, or Web.com Tours you finish in the top 70 of all participants and are the top finisher of Exemption participants
- While using a Sponsor's Exemption on the Challenge Circuit, you finish in the top 70 of all participants in the flight and finish in the top 3 of Exemption participants OR finish in the top 70 of all participants in the flight and within 10 strokes of the top Exemption participant in the flight.
- Finish high enough in the standings of your tour at year's end.
On CC - must be top 70, then either top 3, or within 10 strokes of top exemption...and you earn your card.
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Post by Doyley on Oct 20, 2015 20:42:15 GMT -5
Not to throw a spanner in the works... But I personally think that: Top 15 of each flight go up..promoted -- I have a plan to tweak our current system but it needs to be coded so won't be around for a bit yetAnd bottom 15 go down a flight. -- I don't see us moving away from demotion strikes as it gives people more than one chance to stick around after a bad week or a DQThis way the field would adjust more quickly to current competition. With exception... Flight A to web. This should be top 5 or 10 go up. And demotion from web if you finish bottom 5 or 10 -- once you get to web (on a pro tour) we don't want demotions to happen weekly. We have the options of voluntary demotions if you feel out of your league but once you reach the Web.com you are on it through thick and thin if you so chooseStrikes.. Only around for not entering.. Ie: if you don't enter an event for 3 events (3 strikes) in a row your automatically demoted a flight. -- i think the demotion strikes keep people engaged in their rounds - correct me if I'm wrong but if we remove them then that's one less carrot for all playersIf you compete (register) but don't submit a card. It's an NR. Ie - you will finish that event most likely in bottom 15 and therefore demoted. A flight. This allows for someone to take say a 2 week holiday without playing and not get demoted. But stops people entering and not submitting to avoid demotion. -- our system covers this as long as you don't register - if you do register and not submit scores you are penalized a strike - not too far off your suggestions if I'm reading them properlyI think having the top 15 move up and bottom move down. Is simple. No having to retain your promotion the following week.. Apart from staying out of the bottom 15 of that new flight. To me it makes sense., as many times , the leader or top 10 in say cc-c is higher than cc-b for example. At very least often if I came 10th in cc-c. I'm only a shot behind 10th in cc- b or a. With this method the guys who play well can quickly move up the ranks.. And the guys who don't will quickly move down the ranks. Players in A ... Still have to do something special top 5 to get onto web. And the bottom finishers of the web after 2 rounds (cut) get demoted. Am I wrong or does this not make more simple.. Effective , and more quickly stops a bulge of people who should be in cc-a. Held back in cc-c . Or those guys finishing in bottom of cc-a retaining their cc- a. Card for too long. For example. Thus the flights would be more accurate in terms of fair competition. In general your methods would speed things up but the strike system is very similar once you get 3 or 4 weeks in. Season 2 was a bit of an anomaly as we had a mass exodus of CC players to back fill the web.com. Going to try much harder to keep all the top tours close to full so that the end of season events have less cards available. Since we took the best of the CC's players in the final event it left most of the remaining top players all around the same skill level across multiple flights. Once we get into the meat of the season it will all work itself out. We'll keep tweaking as needed but I think we'll hold off on any major changes and let the strikes build up and once we can get my exemption idea in, we'll have a better balancing mechanism for the tops of the leaderboads.
Doyley Couple of my thoughts on this in red
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 20, 2015 23:29:07 GMT -5
Earning a Promotion: On CC - must be top 70, then either top 3, or within 10 strokes of top exemption...and you earn your card. I'll use myself as an example. I am in CC-C on exemption this week and currently sit 25th in the standings after 2 rounds..with 4 palyers on exemptions above me, although I am within 10 stokes of the top exemption in my flight. Should the standings remain the same and the gap the same between myself and the top exempted player in my field..would I stay in CC-C? Not meaning to sound stupid, but the wording of that clause in the rules is a bit foggy to me.
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Post by Jared on Oct 20, 2015 23:54:39 GMT -5
Earning a Promotion: On CC - must be top 70, then either top 3, or within 10 strokes of top exemption...and you earn your card. I'll use myself as an example. I am in CC-C on exemption this week and currently sit 25th in the standings after 2 rounds..with 4 palyers on exemptions above me, although I am within 10 stokes of the top exemption in my flight. Should the standings remain the same and the gap the same between myself and the top exempted player in my field..would I stay in CC-C? Not meaning to sound stupid, but the wording of that clause in the rules is a bit foggy to me. As long as you are in the top 70 and within 10 strokes of the top person on exemption you will earn the promotion. So yes, in your case you would remain in CC-C.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 21, 2015 0:26:57 GMT -5
I'll use myself as an example. I am in CC-C on exemption this week and currently sit 25th in the standings after 2 rounds..with 4 palyers on exemptions above me, although I am within 10 stokes of the top exemption in my flight. Should the standings remain the same and the gap the same between myself and the top exempted player in my field..would I stay in CC-C? Not meaning to sound stupid, but the wording of that clause in the rules is a bit foggy to me. As long as you are in the top 70 and within 10 strokes of the top person on exemption you will earn the promotion. So yes, in your case you would remain in CC-C. Thanks Jared
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Post by ramjr0116 on Oct 24, 2015 9:38:07 GMT -5
Hey Doyley or Tim,
It looks like I am going to finish tied for 4th inCC-Z this week. I would get an exemtion but I am away from my PS4 until Nov.2, which is why I have not registered for next weeks tournament. Anyway I can use the exemtion for the following week, where I am registered?
Thanks,
ramjr0116
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 24, 2015 9:43:40 GMT -5
Hey Doyley or Tim, It looks like I am going to finish tied for 4th inCC-Z this week. I would get an exemtion but I am away from my PS4 until Nov.2, which is why I have not registered for next weeks tournament. Anyway I can use the exemtion for the following week, where I am registered? Thanks, ramjr0116 If you finish -5 or better you automatically get your E card. So you've earned your E card.
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Post by coggin66 on Oct 26, 2015 4:59:41 GMT -5
In CC, do players only get exemptions one tier at a time? The S2W2 winners in D & E (not me) did as well as or better than the winner of A. They should be promoted straight to A. If they are not good enough to stay they will fall back. IMHO, anyone who can shoot -40 and better should not be in D or E.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Oct 26, 2015 7:17:10 GMT -5
In CC, do players only get exemptions one tier at a time? The S2W2 winners in D & E (not me) did as well as or better than the winner of A. They should be promoted straight to A. If they are not good enough to stay they will fall back. IMHO, anyone who can shoot -40 and better should not be in D or E. Everything will eventually shake out. With the latest Q school and the promotions from CC up to the Web after the tour championship, it's still filtering out. Plus there is a Q-School in December for CC only that will promote even more up the ranks. I know it can be discouraging, I've been there, been as low as one can go, but trust me when I say it does get better.
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Post by twister26 on Oct 31, 2015 10:31:24 GMT -5
Quick question. Just wondering what happens if you win a tournament on an exemption? Didn't happen I'm just curious.
Do you get an automatic promotion to the next flight or just an exemption like you would normally?
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Post by ScreamingKidney on Oct 31, 2015 10:54:54 GMT -5
Quick question. Just wondering what happens if you win a tournament on an exemption? Didn't happen I'm just curious. Do you get an automatic promotion to the next flight or just an exemption like you would normally? Normal exemption me thinks
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Post by coggin66 on Nov 21, 2015 1:14:48 GMT -5
If you are on a sponsor exemption and finish in the top 30 you should just stay up (even if you are the 10th exemption and more than 10 shots behind the leading exemption). Surely if top 30 is good enough to wipe out strikes it should be good enough to maintain promotion (regardless of what the other exemption holders have done)? Or have I misunderstood something?
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Post by coggin66 on Nov 22, 2015 4:30:56 GMT -5
If you are on a sponsor exemption and finish in the top 30 you should just stay up (even if you are the 10th exemption and more than 10 shots behind the leading exemption). Surely if top 30 is good enough to wipe out strikes it should be good enough to maintain promotion (regardless of what the other exemption holders have done)? Or have I misunderstood something? This week's CC-C is a good example. There are two (S) players from CC-D that have finished in the Top 30 but will not maintain their promotion as I understand the rules. Yet an existing CC-C can wipe out two results of finishing previously outside the top 70. There does not seem to be a consistent logic here and is probably why so many good players are down in the lower rankings for longer than they should be.
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Post by csabo17 on Nov 22, 2015 12:03:03 GMT -5
I got an exemption and promotion this week. Does that mean next week ill play on Cc-b? Wasnt sure if the promotion over rides the exemption. Just not sure about earning a new tour card for Cc-c next week but will be playing on cc-b. Wanna make sure im posting my scores correctly.
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Post by csabo17 on Nov 22, 2015 12:27:08 GMT -5
Nvm. I just saw im registered in B for this week. Im gonna need to hire a new swing coach/caddie. Any takers?
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