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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 14:39:02 GMT -5
This course was just published after carefully manicuring the course and sculpting the greens in an attempt to better satisfy the community, providing most notably a cleaner landscape, and more undulated greens. I've been working on it on and off for a few years now and I think you'll enjoy your round.
It's a par 70 on a Boreal landscape set around a few ponds and a corralled river with a few small waterfalls along the way. Long hitters may find easier approaches if they can avoid the hazards, notably the water and bunkers, which lurk near numerous opportunities for aggressive play. Three tee sets, 4 pin locations which offer unique approaches and scoring chances, thirsty crowds, and a back 9 with finishing holes designed to make sure no lead is safe, make this a fine course for tournament play or a round with friends. Good luck out there and have fun!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 18:07:49 GMT -5
Just deemed "Tour Worthy". Add Gottington Dam to your tourney list!
*Act now and save 20% on Green Fees and Membership Dues.
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Post by Bob334OH on Jul 3, 2021 22:35:37 GMT -5
Just finished playing from the back tees and shot a 69 (-1). Liked the greens. Noticed quite a few blind bunkers and several cutting across more than 1 surface. Holes 6 and 17 seemed very challenging.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 8:22:18 GMT -5
Thanks for checking it out. Pretty sure both of those things occur in real life and it was intentional in each case... Several though? I'd say very few. #6 can be tough depending on the wind and how carefully you plan your tee shot. Also the 1st pin location on #6 is one of the tougher pin locations on the course - I wanted a little bit of balance on the pin sets. I'm assuming you used pin set 1 because you didn't specify. #17 is pretty easy if you don't get greedy off the tee but it's just too darn tempting isn't it. Go easy off the tee there and you'll have par or better pretty much every time unless you really blow your putt- it's a short par 4! It's part of a greater plan to make the last few holes very interesting in competitive play - people will try different things with varying results. I really tried to make sure there were some holes that I thought were a bit tougher because my past courses always rated as easy or easiest. That being said I scored around -4 to -10 on test rounds, but I know the course like the back of my hand. Glad you liked the greens. My greens in the past were often too easy so I tried to add some challenge without overdoing it.
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Post by karma4u on Jul 4, 2021 21:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 10:09:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the pics Karma. Much appreciated as always!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 12:19:08 GMT -5
This course was listed as "Tour Worthy" and now is listed as "Approved".
Is this a glitch or was the course intentionally demoted for some reason?
I had two Tour Worthy courses and now I have one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 13:17:00 GMT -5
I've heard nothing. They should just post it in here.
Edit: I just opened up his stream, found my course playthrough... he's on the 1st tee talking about smashing someone's face in. Glad I caught him on a good day! Now he's determining if my course being tour worthy is a prank before even taking a shot, with no reason given - except that he's "not in the mood".
Edit: In the chat a guy says people were arguing about the course all afternoon. To which ameobi wryly replies "shall I add my two cents" - again, before even taking a swing. So.... I'm ready for the least disgruntled, most unbiased review ever! His first problem is a round bunker "it's just a circle." Guess they should all be crazy shapes which appears to be all the rage. I'll watch the rest but can't give much credence to such grumpy, purposeful nitpicking. His buddy says the course makes him "physically ill" - again, we're on the first hole and the main gripe is a circular bunker. "Something is amiss" he says. Yea.... something is amiss alright. At times he hits a crap tee shot (he's using a new controller which he says he needs to calibrate) and then complains about the approach.
This is absolutely shameful reviewing and it being referenced is just insulting. Just so grumpy and so many times trying to complain when he struggles to find something complain about. It almost bothers him when he can't complain. There are some things that could be better on the course for sure, but the way the streamer handled it was just rude and condescending.
This review was done with an agenda in mind. I guess I should just be glad that he did a horrible job of hiding it. The streamer and some of the participants should be ashamed.
Upon reflection, what would I change? Maybe move 2-3 trees. Maybe improve a few bunkers. That's about it. What would I change based on the recommendations of others? Probably more than that, but I can't lend much credence to this grumpy hack job.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 14:48:50 GMT -5
There was a response to the following inquiry:
"This course was listed as "Tour Worthy" and now is listed as "Approved".
Is this a glitch or was the course intentionally demoted for some reason?
I had two Tour Worthy courses and now I have one."
The response to that inquiry has been totally deleted. It said I should receive a PM which I have not received and that the course was reviewed again and the status was changed to "approved". Really strange things happening at TGC Tours these days. My reply posted above was in response to that reply, which is now gone. It referenced ameobi's stream which I viewed. I'd use his full handle but after watching the stream I don't feel he warrants me even using his name and giving him any publicity. When a review says more about the reviewer than what is being reviewed that's a really bad sign.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jul 10, 2021 15:15:09 GMT -5
I can assure you that WhatAboutAmeobi is a good streamer, a class guy, and in no way would intentionally try to hurt someone's feelings about a course they poured so much time into. I'm assuming (without watching the stream) he was roped into what we call a "dumpster fire", where we would criticize courses when the designer is in on it. Also he is not a reviewer and that's not how the tgctours process works. He's a streamer that gives feedback and adds content and hype to this community and its designers (and does a pretty good job of it). Basically twitch =/= tgctours. As far as the review, I can tell you that nearly every active reviewer took part in it. I will gladly gather and share the feedback from it. I apologize that it was marked wrong to begin with but these things happen. We are humans. I encourage you to not disregard, or think less of this community because of a review. I've seen your posts in the forums and see you are a respectable participant in all things design. Keep at it and please don't take anything personally. -Justin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 15:33:36 GMT -5
While I appreciate some aspects of your response, you replied concerning the streamer without even viewing the stream in question. The stream speaks for itself. At this point I don't care as much because the stream was just so disgraceful that it's easy to forget about and move on.
As for your use of the term "dumpster fire"... The designer was not "in on it".
No worries... Moving on. Not sure if I'll submit again or retain my account. I've got what I think is a nice course on the go but heaven forbid I have tree to close to a green or make a round bunker.
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Post by cd06 on Jul 10, 2021 15:49:25 GMT -5
I'm really sorry, Jimmy - didn't want to cause any issues.
I'd say just move on and design what you want to design.
Again, apologies for my response - don't want to make anything worse. Please don't take it personally.
-Charlie
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 10, 2021 15:58:08 GMT -5
I can assure you that WhatAboutAmeobi is a good streamer, a class guy, and in no way would intentionally try to hurt someone's feelings about a course they poured so much time into. I'm assuming (without watching the stream) he was roped into what we call a "dumpster fire", where we would criticize courses when the designer is in on it. Also he is not a reviewer and that's not how the tgctours process works. He's a streamer that gives feedback and adds content and hype to this community and its designers (and does a pretty good job of it). Basically twitch =/= tgctours. As far as the review, I can tell you that nearly every active reviewer took part in it. I will gladly gather and share the feedback from it. I apologize that it was marked wrong to begin with but these things happen. We are humans. I encourage you to not disregard, or think less of this community because of a review. I've seen your posts in the forums and see you are a respectable participant in all things design. Keep at it and please don't take anything personally. -Justin Pretty much second what was listed here... Any course marked tour worthy goes through an internal audit by other reviewers. If other's question the marking, it goes up for discussion. After a lengthy discussion (almost a full page in our thread), it was determined that this course doesn't meet the criteria for tour worthy. *Edit*: This usually takes place before the course is marked.. but sometimes they slip through the cracks. I'll let one of the designers chime in here to give you thoughts from a designer's perspective... they can tell you better what the difference is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 16:36:08 GMT -5
"Pretty much second what was listed here... Any course marked tour worthy goes through an internal audit by other reviewers. If other's question the marking, it goes up for discussion. After a lengthy discussion (almost a full page in our thread), it was determined that this course doesn't meet the criteria for tour worthy. *Edit*: This usually takes place before the course is marked.. but sometimes they slip through the cracks. I'll let one of the designers chime in here to give you thoughts from a designer's perspective... they can tell you better what the difference is." I don't really have any issue with the reviewer's opinions of the course. It's the stream. The stream was brutal. Agenda driven pessimism. The course is fine. The original review was fine. The review of the review was fine. It's fine. The stream was garb.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jul 10, 2021 17:20:02 GMT -5
There was a response to the following inquiry: "This course was listed as "Tour Worthy" and now is listed as "Approved". When a review says more about the reviewer than what is being reviewed that's a really bad sign. I'm just touching on these points. As I'm assuming catcherman was as well. I think I did a good enough job explaining that twitch and tgctours are two different realms. There is a crossover for sure. But as far as your review, again, I'd be happy to share the feedback from the many reviewers that looked at it.
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