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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:32:06 GMT -5
I have stumbled upon another 36 hole project - PGA Catalunya Resort north of Barcelona in Spain. The stadium course is top ranked in Spain, and the tour course also looks very good.
The stadium course has been mapped in OSM, but it needs to be gone over (most shapes are mapped too small except the bunkers - which you can see in game), and I need to map the tour course. Pictures will follow later as I get finished with the mapping.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 11:22:14 GMT -5
Here is a first view on the 3rd on the stadium course:
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 28, 2019 6:45:47 GMT -5
Oh mate..this is another great project! I checked the stadium course just some day before to leave home, a pair of weeks ago..and I added it to my other list, the one about "missing" real courses. And checking it I was thinking exactly this is a course we need. Thank you as always..I'll wait for it!
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Post by rob4590 on Nov 28, 2019 6:51:13 GMT -5
I'd just stick with the Stadium Course Anders - which is awesome, so will be good to see in-game. The tour course is really pretty easy in real life, let alone the game, so may not be worth it as much. When they had Euro Tour final qualifying here for several years, they used both courses alternating for the first 4 rounds - the scores always tended to be along the lines of 72-64-70-65 (and then final two rounds after that on the Stadium at 70 again!) - guess which rounds were on the Tour course
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 16:51:34 GMT -5
I'd just stick with the Stadium Course Anders - which is awesome, so will be good to see in-game. The tour course is really pretty easy in real life, let alone the game, so may not be worth it as much. When they had Euro Tour final qualifying here for several years, they used both courses alternating for the first 4 rounds - the scores always tended to be along the lines of 72-64-70-65 (and then final two rounds after that on the Stadium at 70 again!) - guess which rounds were on the Tour course The stadium course is the course for big tournaments, but I do not agree that it is not worth to make the other courses on resorts like this as long as it is practical (plant meter, time effort in making it). It is the same story for Himmerland backtee and garia, Firestone north, south and west course etc. Even though the south course on Firestone is the most known and most challenging for the best players, the north is a very good course as well. I have not yet played the west course in any game so I don't know how it is but I would guess it is good as well. The dream for any golfer that like golf simulation - is to have every single course in the world available.
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Post by Han on Feb 14, 2020 23:21:13 GMT -5
It was me that had already done all the OSM tracing on this one. I had claimed it on the Lidar Course Claimer Google Doc chart thingy ages ago as it was going to be the third of a trio of Spanish corses I had planned....the other 2 being Valderrama and Finca Cortesin ( 85 % and 50% already complete respectively). The reason the greens, fairways etc were traced smaller on OSM is because of how they are drawn when converted to splines in the designer. Anyway it's approx 4am here atm so ill post more on the subject tomorrow. Ive only posted this now as i couldn't sleep and have just noticed this thread
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 4:23:18 GMT -5
It was me that had already done all the OSM tracing on this one. I had claimed it on the Lidar Course Claimer Google Doc chart thingy ages ago as it was going to be the third of a trio of Spanish corses I had planned....the other 2 being Valderrama and Finca Cortesin ( 85 % and 50% already complete respectively). The reason the greens, fairways etc were traced smaller on OSM is because of how they are drawn when converted to splines in the designer. Anyway it's approx 4am here atm so ill post more on the subject tomorrow. Ive only posted this now as i couldn't sleep and have just noticed this thread Ah. I trace the fairways etc on the edge (inside) to get the correct size in game. Do you need to expand in the game after import? Because I tried to import your mapping, and measured too little on both sides on fairways which made them too narrow compared to how I measured them in google earth (which is true for my experience on all import with Chad's tool). I have not done anything on this course other than OSM mapping and import from Chad's tool (both courses).
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Post by Han on Feb 15, 2020 14:14:18 GMT -5
Ah. I trace the fairways etc on the edge (inside) to get the correct size in game. Do you need to expand in the game after import? Because I tried to import your mapping, and measured too little on both sides on fairways which made them too narrow compared to how I measured them in google earth (which is true for my experience on all import with Chad's tool). I have not done anything on this course other than OSM mapping and import from Chad's tool (both courses). I originally did the tracing on this one before I/we had use of the "splines.json" file that chad gave us which allows us to change the width of the splines on import. Before having that file I always found tracing just inside the edges at least on the fairways and greens gave the correct size when the splines were drawn in the designer at their "default" widths. With the greens for example you needed to allow for the extra width of the fringe that was laid outside the width of where the points are drawn. The bunkers however were a bit different. They could be traced either on the actual edges (or even just outside them) as their default width was much smaller, from memory it was set to 0.01 rather than the 1.7 (greens) and 3.0 (fairways). If you use the splines.json file and have the default widths set smaller then I imagine that yes, tracing on the actual edges would be correct for you. If you don't use that file then I'm not sure why we would both see different results apart from maybe if we are using different display units (imperial and metric) and that makes such a difference somehow ? /shrug *Edit - It's funny actually as I was only looking at the OSM for this again a week or so ago and was thinking to myself "I don't remember tracing it like is ?" Anyway regarding the course in general......I was probably at a similar stage with it to yourself. When I was having some issues with Valderrama (and was taking a bit of a break from it until I figured them out) I had done a bit of work on this one here and there. Nothing too major, just things like adding the water to the ponds / lakes and laying the retaining walls in on the ones that required them. I had also played around with different themes to see which was going to work the best (answer = none of them are great ). I had settled on Rustic for the time being so I had moved and deleted some trees that shouldn't have been there plus I had flattened the back tees and set some pin positions so I actually had a pretty decent playable version to be going on with. Apart from stuff like that I wasn't really intending on doing much more to it just yet, at least not until Valderrama was finished and published, and I hadn't planned on doing the Tour Course at all to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 17:46:44 GMT -5
Ah. I trace the fairways etc on the edge (inside) to get the correct size in game. Do you need to expand in the game after import? Because I tried to import your mapping, and measured too little on both sides on fairways which made them too narrow compared to how I measured them in google earth (which is true for my experience on all import with Chad's tool). I have not done anything on this course other than OSM mapping and import from Chad's tool (both courses). I originally did the tracing on this one before I/we had use of the "splines.json" file that chad gave us which allows us to change the width of the splines on import. Before having that file I always found tracing just inside the edges at least on the fairways and greens gave the correct size when the splines were drawn in the designer at their "default" widths. *Edit - It's funny actually as I was only looking at the OSM for this again a week or so ago and was thinking to myself "I don't remember tracing it like is ?" Anyway regarding the course in general......I was probably at a similar stage with it to yourself. When I was having some issues with Valderrama (and was taking a bit of a break from it until I figured them out) I had done a bit of work on this one here and there. Nothing too major, just things like adding the water to the ponds / lakes and laying the retaining walls in on the ones that required them. I had also played around with different themes to see which was going to work the best (answer = none of them are great ). I had settled on Rustic for the time being so I had moved and deleted some trees that shouldn't have been there plus I had flattened the back tees and set some pin positions so I actually had a pretty decent playable version to be going on with. Apart from stuff like that I wasn't really intending on doing much more to it just yet, at least not until Valderrama was finished and published, and I hadn't planned on doing the Tour Course at all to be honest. I have always used the latest version of Chad's Tools, and always needed to map/trace on the edge - so I guess that is included in the latest version. I do like the delta theme for spanish courses - but I will have to look at at lot of photos/videos before I can settle on the look (but I guess I will end up with the delta theme) - also, I do not import any trees from Chad's Tools; I find that to be completely hopeless - you get wrong trees all over the place that take up LOTS of plant meter to no avail since you have to redo all the trees. I do however use auto-gen trees on the outskirts of the course, and plant the course itself with as much photos/videos I can get hands on. Anyway, how long do you think you are from finishing Valderrama and your other projects? It is no big deal for me to be "the designer" of this course, though I will like to see it in game (and done well) I have some things I will do before I start on this anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 17:34:08 GMT -5
Apart from stuff like that I wasn't really intending on doing much more to it just yet, at least not until Valderrama was finished and published, and I hadn't planned on doing the Tour Course at all to be honest. I had some time to day, and so I put in the water on the course. So I think I will begin working on it (both courses).
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Post by Han on Feb 18, 2020 19:09:36 GMT -5
Something I had a thought about the other day was doing the Stadium course as a collaboration if you were up for it ?
I'm not sure if there is much point us both doing our own versions so I was thinking something along the lines of you starting off with the Tour course for now while I finish Valderrama (won't be too much longer on that hopefully), and then we could both jump onto the Stadium course and do it between us. I'm sure we will both have our strengths and weaknesses within the designer or at worst have certain things that we don't like doing but maybe the other person does ? (I hate general planting but enjoy doing retaining walls for example).
Anyway it's just a thought, let me know what you think....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 19:46:27 GMT -5
Something I had a thought about the other day was doing the Stadium course as a collaboration if you were up for it ? I'm not sure if there is much point us both doing our own versions so I was thinking something along the lines of you starting off with the Tour course for now while I finish Valderrama (won't be too much longer on that hopefully), and then we could both jump onto the Stadium course and do it between us. I'm sure we will both have our strengths and weaknesses within the designer or at worst have certain things that we don't like doing but maybe the other person does ? (I hate general planting but enjoy doing retaining walls for example). Anyway it's just a thought, let me know what you think.... Agree that it is pointless to create two versions. What I do is that I have both courses on the same plot - the same I did with Himmerland. This takes a little bit of plant meter, but not that bad. This saves a ton of work as I do both courses, and then just route the other course for the second course file. (If not, then you need to plant some parts of the course two times as the courses overlap - and I am not that fan of planting). I am all for a collaboration Do you think it is okay to work the way I do with both courses at the same time? (I have a little less than 2/3 plant meter to work with, and it should be plenty to get enough density of trees, bushes and grass along the ponds etc).
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Post by Han on Feb 19, 2020 17:25:23 GMT -5
I know you said you have approx. 2/3 plant meter to spare for adding trees etc, which already gives me a good general indication, but I'm curious now to compare in actual numbers (sorry ). Assuming from your previous statements that you are using enough (unmasked) lidar data to cover both courses at the same time, after you have imported all the OSM how big is your course file if you don't add any lidar trees ? and do you add background terrain in the tool or manually add it in yourself in the designer ? For what you see in the pic below using unmasked lidar just for the area where you see trees (so all the Stadium holes and 5 or 6 of the adjacent Tour holes), but then adding lidar trees and background terrain the file currently stands at 5292 KB. but the plant meter is already approx. 2/3 full. I have added some retaining walls and used more bodies of water than normal for the ponds for "neatness" and to avoid the surrounding terrain being affected much, but overall nothing that would inflate the plant meter / file size too much. Ok I haven't really done much to the trees yet in terms of deleting unwanted ones etc so that will have some impact but....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 17:50:35 GMT -5
I know you said you have approx. 2/3 plant meter to spare for adding trees etc, which already gives me a good general indication, but I'm curious now to compare in actual numbers (sorry ). Assuming from your previous statements that you are using enough (unmasked) lidar data to cover both courses at the same time, after you have imported all the OSM how big is your course file if you don't add any lidar trees ? and do you add background terrain in the tool or manually add it in yourself in the designer ? For what you see in the pic below using unmasked lidar just for the area where you see trees (so all the Stadium holes and 5 or 6 of the adjacent Tour holes), but then adding lidar trees and background terrain the file currently stands at 5292 KB. but the plant meter is already approx. 2/3 full. See Message File size is 12k kb - I had 11k kb on Himmerland (the less you mask the larger the size of the file). As I said, I do not use the import trees from Chad's tool - and highly recommend not to do so. The trees takes lots of plant meter - so planting the trees manualy reduces the plant meter by a huge amount - and you get to plant the trees you want, the size you want etc. Yes, it takes some time - but it takes time to clean up the trees from Chad's tool as well - so for me, it doesn't take any longer without the trees. I add background terrain in the tool - found that to be useful.
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Post by Han on Feb 19, 2020 18:15:31 GMT -5
Replied to message Just to clarify - your file size is 12,000 KB ? (just making sure the first "k" you put wasn't a typo that's all ) and that's using the default 2.0 map scale I assume ? With regard to the lidar trees - personally I have found Chad's tool to be pretty good in terms of accuracy of position and also height, certainly on Valderrama at least anyway. I agree that a lot may need changing because of the actual type of tree it places, but to be honest that it is down to the themes and choice of trees within them that we have available to us in the designer rather than Chad's tool itself being at fault, and it really depends a lot on the course being done in the first place.
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