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Post by acidflashback on Mar 3, 2015 0:15:22 GMT -5
"Line 'em up and I'll knock them down."
I know someone else has probably quoted that, somewhere in the anal (hiccup) of history. Thanks to the peeps (JBfickett I guess) that put time into reviewing the countless courses and selecting one. Sure some could be harder, prettier, uglier, flatter, hillier, windier, more fantastical, more realistic, have pretty flowers, broken boats, rocks, sand, faster greens, slower greens... you get the picture.
A lot of thought put in by Steve above, that man loves the nuances of this game
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Post by fondername0 on Mar 3, 2015 3:09:41 GMT -5
I agree with steve2golf. In real life, tour courses are firm and fast.
Medium / Medium is just throwing darts. It becomes a putting contest.
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Post by mcbogga on Mar 3, 2015 7:21:42 GMT -5
Steve is winning me over to fast and Med or firm and slow/med. Fast/firm is a bit extreme as the HB golfer doesn't have the zip to play those conditions.
Will say however that "Tour prepping" a course should be more than firming it up and switching pins. Heavy rough instead of light rough, pinched fairways, new tees on some holes (this can drastically change the challenge of a hole).
Comes down to the philosophical question of target scores (winning score and cut). Courses should be prepped to a target optimally.
Then of course the small issue of putting in the time to do the above, and do it well... This is a video game - after all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 20:43:49 GMT -5
We also have to remember that rounds are being played in little to no wind by a large majority. This discussion would be very different if players were forced to play in preset wind conditions.
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 6, 2015 21:11:22 GMT -5
We also have to remember that rounds are being played in little to no wind by a large majority. This discussion would be very different if players were forced to play in preset wind conditions. Am I the only person here who doesn't "wind wait" ? I just load up the tournament and play the course as I get it. If I get 20 MPH winds... That's what I play in. Waiting for better conditions would feel a little cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 21:14:53 GMT -5
Hello, I posted this in another thread but thought it also relevant here. The process of selecting courses to put on the tours is always going to be somewhat subjective and even if the process is as objective as possible the opinions of the tour members is always going to be highly subjective as to whether it was a good selection or not . Ultimately it is up to us as the TGCT community to help resolve this issue: The more we as a community rate and review "our" TGCT approved courses the easier and better the selection process will be. So let's get out there and start rating the courses in the TGCT database. It really can be up to us if we can all take some time to contribute. -Mike P.S. No Andy your not the only one who does not wind wait. On some courses I seem to play better in the wind anyhow.
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Post by mcbogga on Mar 6, 2015 23:17:53 GMT -5
I agree with your principle Stonecomet - the issue has been that there are no "tour" courses to select from. Believe this is changing with some works in progress from good designers and hopefully they can also work with designers to tour prep courses.
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Post by coruler2 on Mar 7, 2015 17:23:04 GMT -5
I don't think there's enough tour tough courses that are also fair courses to choose from. Four of the toughest but fair courses were selected for Q-school. Many designs that come through these days are of the 'easy' mold because that's the best way to get higher ratings in-game and to get more plays. I personally think I compete better on the hardest tracks, but there's not a huge pool to pick from. My hope is we have some incredible and challenging courses on the way.
Also, please post any ideas of courses not yet played that may present more challenge here. We can also request designers to try to make tour versions of the easier courses.
This may be a good poll for PGA and Euro tour players: The courses played so far this year have been... 1. Too easy 2. Just right 3. Too hard
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jamesearl13
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Post by jamesearl13 on Mar 8, 2015 1:41:16 GMT -5
Short n simple. I would like to see Celtic Vineyard used as a Euro Tour event.
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Post by coruler2 on Mar 8, 2015 14:24:50 GMT -5
There's a really good chance of that. Especially given one of the upcoming events set in Ireland
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Post by Orion on Mar 8, 2015 18:02:35 GMT -5
Is there any place to go to read on how the course rating process is supposed to work with respect to what the numbers mean, when a course is submitted for review, does the designer recommend a rating (Easier,Easy, Medium, Hard, Hardest), does he/she assign it a number? I am totally lost in this area and really need a good understanding of it to contribute to helping ensure that the courses we do play are the ones that is best for the particular tour in question. I have read somewhere/sometime in past on the numbers and their meaning, but to be honest, I just did not get it. My hope is that someone could guide me to an area or site where this possibly might have an explanation in easy to read or easily, simple verbage on the foundations of the numbering system. The same would apply to the words listed on the course home page. It is my understanding that when we finish a round and rate a course that this adds to the overall rating for that course. How? Why? Is all of this an HB thing that we do not have any input into? That's enough, I have more, but need to understand the foundational meanings first.
So to summarize what I am after is :
1. What do the actual numbers mean and what is the range of those numbers? For purposes of an example, is a 1 the bottom of the scale and 10 the top? Is this range based from lowest # (easiest) to higher # (hardest)?
2. The designer (I would suppose) has an idea of the difficulty factor in the course that is being presented for the review process. Does he/she give it a beginning # and provide the words, easy up to hardiest? Are there posted guidelines to be followed for the different degrees or levels of difficulty in the design process?
3. My confusion is based upon what I see on the courses' home pages. Again, for an example only, I might see course "X" with a rating number of 6.75, the word under difficulty is showing Hard. I go to course "Y", rating number of 6.75, yet the difficulty is showing Easy. I take into account the other info presented on the page such as green speed, number of times played and so on, but somehow can not put all of this together in my mind to determine by sight only how hard/easy is this course really before I actually go out and play it.
I hope I am making some kind of sense here, and that one of you more knowledgeable individuals can assist me in my quest to better understand it all and contribute in a more knowledgeable way when I rate a course. I have been quite critical of this past week's course selection on my tour and honestly feel bad about it because I do not understand why or how it was chosen and I just want to know more to assist properly and allow me to keep my mouth shut on a process that I know nothing about!
This entire process of rating a course and it's difficulty may not have the simple explanation that I am seeking, and I am prepared for that outcome also, but hope not.
Thanks for you consideration and assistance with this for me.................
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Post by Andy Tracy on Mar 8, 2015 19:23:24 GMT -5
After 3 months of playing, I pay no attention to the course ratings. Orchid Trail is one of my favorites and has a 7.1.
Bottom line is that a well designed course that is "tough" to play will receive unfair criticism from most players.
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gobraves21
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Post by gobraves21 on Mar 11, 2015 21:07:40 GMT -5
Pick more courses based on real life and/or courses that are over 7000 yards and are firm/fast. Long irons into firm and fast greens would pretty much guarantee higher scores than what we have seen to win tournaments.
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Post by clayg3 on Mar 11, 2015 21:17:01 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out.
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Post by firstblitzer on Mar 12, 2015 6:30:42 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out. whaaaaaaaaaaa
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