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Post by bassman70 on Mar 31, 2020 19:01:36 GMT -5
Who am I to speak with about being dq'd. This is obviously new ground for me. I'm still in disbelief. I use a full swing, I push and pull putts, my swing line is crooked at best most times. I would be glad to stream for anyone in charge of this so they could see for themselves.
Thank you.
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Post by unclevirt on Mar 31, 2020 21:05:27 GMT -5
Who am I to speak with about being dq'd. This is obviously new ground for me. I'm still in disbelief. I use a full swing, I push and pull putts, my swing line is crooked at best most times. I would be glad to stream for anyone in charge of this so they could see for themselves. Thank you. If your swing line is crooked at best, that's why you got pulled.
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Post by bassman70 on Mar 31, 2020 21:13:11 GMT -5
So because the top of my line goes to the right of the cone is why I got dq'd. But, I don't do that intentionally at all. How could I have a straight line and then make only the very top go off line..that truly is impossible to actually do with just pulling and pushing the stick. That's how it registers with my swing I guess. I don't want it to do that and sometimes it doesn't and it kills my shot.
I never thought I'd be having this conversation....so do I get penalized for lofting up or down and the line goes way off the cone...canyou suggest a course to play and I'll play it without l ofting up and we'll see what that looks like?
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 1, 2020 2:32:49 GMT -5
many times i pull to the right but believe me it's not on purpose also i just played a ghost and he chipped twice on the green from less than 50ft
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Post by rob4590 on Apr 1, 2020 3:07:33 GMT -5
many times i pull to the right but believe me it's not on purpose also i just played a ghost and he chipped twice on the green from less than 50ft
Just need to record the video of the chipping, and send it to the admins - they will then have proof to DQ the offender.....
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 1, 2020 4:01:58 GMT -5
So because the top of my line goes to the right of the cone is why I got dq'd. But, I don't do that intentionally at all. How could I have a straight line and then make only the very top go off line..that truly is impossible to actually do with just pulling and pushing the stick. That's how it registers with my swing I guess. I don't want it to do that and sometimes it doesn't and it kills my shot. I never thought I'd be having this conversation....so do I get penalized for lofting up or down and the line goes way off the cone...canyou suggest a course to play and I'll play it without l ofting up and we'll see what that looks like? It doesn’t matter if you loft or not Albert. Say the channel, with no loft is +10 and -10 wide. The “threshold” could be, x amount of shots no wider than -10, and you get pulled. If you loft, the +/- threshold would stay the same, even though the the line shrinks. The above is purely for explanation. Not a real metric. If your swing is regularly completing wide of a certain metric, the accuracy penalty you incur is less than it should be. Need to try and swing it as straight up and down as you can. Some variation is expected and is fine.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Apr 1, 2020 4:21:00 GMT -5
Who am I to speak with about being dq'd. This is obviously new ground for me. I'm still in disbelief. I use a full swing, I push and pull putts, my swing line is crooked at best most times. I would be glad to stream for anyone in charge of this so they could see for themselves. Thank you.
There's a fair play assistance forum where you can engage with the admins on your specific situation. The posts will only be visible to you and them. This is the right way to speak with someone about it.
Most people who get pulled are in disbelief when they get pulled for the first time because very few people are intentionally trying to cheat the system. You are still going to have to find a way to get within the tolerances of the API metrics. Best of luck getting it fixed.
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 1, 2020 6:24:24 GMT -5
i just thought if anybody was doing this it would be picked up automatically
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Post by unclevirt on Apr 1, 2020 9:17:12 GMT -5
i just thought if anybody was doing this it would be picked up automatically Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a way for the system to read someone chipping on the green.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 1, 2020 19:10:28 GMT -5
i just thought if anybody was doing this it would be picked up automatically Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a way for the system to read someone chipping on the green. There isn't a way. The current rule is if you see it you can record it and report it. This is completely voluntary and player policed as the admin don't have the time or inclination to spot check it on their own.
This whole new API with the PUSH/PULL is going to take some getting used to. From what I understand if you have one or two lines outside the blue, you aren't going to get tagged but you will if the majority of your shots are outside the blue. I'm assuming this metric is the same with the normal API which means shots generally longer that 75-100 yards, so pitches, chips and flops aren't counted.
From a personal perspective of someone who had to change their swing 3 separate times with this game, not because of the API but because the mouse swing was so FUBAR'd it was originally impossible to hit an on-tempo shot when the game first came out. I spent weeks relearning a swing only to have to do it again twice more as the designers tweaked it twice more. So the people who say they "can't" do it, I'm sorry I don't buy it. It takes time. It isn't going to happen over night and probably not even within a few weeks. All I can say is from someone who has had to do it three times, you can too. It takes practice. Use the forums. Practice your swing on other tours and ask the admin to check to see if you would pass. That way you can work on it without being in the actual tournament.
In the end it sux and I can understand that many feel it is unfair. It is, but it isn't the fault of the admin. The push/pull situation is an unintended exploit that gives a serious advantage to anyone that uses it, intentionally or not.
Persevere!
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Post by bassman70 on Apr 1, 2020 21:03:39 GMT -5
Not sure who can check this for me...I just played Firethorn and would like to know what my round passed api...been working on my new swing, and I think it's much better.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 1, 2020 21:06:08 GMT -5
Not sure who can check this for me...I just played Firethorn and would like to know what my round passed api...been working on my new swing, and I think it's much better. I think they can only check rounds that are played in a competition. I suggest you try playing the Master's qualifying tournament a round or two. I think they are qualifying on Firethorn. I think. If not, then I don't think they can easily check a round outside the societies. Then you gotta request it on the fair play forum. Doyley or SmilingGoats can confirm this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 21:06:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a way for the system to read someone chipping on the green. There isn't a way. The current rule is if you see it you can record it and report it. This is completely voluntary and player policed as the admin don't have the time or inclination to spot check it on their own.
Easiest way to spot if someone has chipped on the green is if they had a GIR and 0 putts for a birdie, probably the same for a GIR and 1 putt for a par.......unless they putted off the green and then chipped or flopped in, just like the good old TGC1 days.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 1, 2020 21:08:56 GMT -5
There isn't a way. The current rule is if you see it you can record it and report it. This is completely voluntary and player policed as the admin don't have the time or inclination to spot check it on their own.
Easiest way to spot if someone has chipped on the green is if they had a GIR and 0 putts for a birdie, probably the same for a GIR and 1 putt for a par.......unless they putted off the green and then chipped or flopped in, just like the good old TGC1 days. Yeah this isn't 100%. I putt a lot of putts from off the green, especially if it is under 6 yards. Either way you still need video evidence to send to the admins. I think this happens more than you think, it isn't reported a lot because the people that are doing this aren't usually the ones who are winning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 21:10:29 GMT -5
Easiest way to spot if someone has chipped on the green is if they had a GIR and 0 putts for a birdie, probably the same for a GIR and 1 putt for a par.......unless they putted off the green and then chipped or flopped in, just like the good old TGC1 days. Yeah this isn't 100%. I putt a lot of putts from off the green, especially if it is under 6 yards. Either way you still need video evidence to send to the admins. If it's off the green its not a GIR
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