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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 28, 2020 7:52:36 GMT -5
People can be banned quite easily so yes that would be good...we all paid money for the game so deserve a say You're just wrong. It's not easy at all. I'm the manager of both CC societies and, in the past, I've tried to find a particular player to remove from the society and gave up after 30 minutes of looking. It's not easy at all when the society has thousands of members and you have to look one by one. Secondly, everyone, including me, is a volunteer. None of us received any of the money you paid for your game. So it's nice that you think it's easy and I should spend my time doing it but the reality is that I give far too much of my time to this site as it is. And, at the moment, donations aren't covering our costs again so now we are volunteering our time and our money to keep this thing running. So you'll forgive me if I have a different perspective on what is "deserved".
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Apr 28, 2020 8:02:41 GMT -5
People can be banned quite easily so yes that would be good...we all paid money for the game so deserve a say You're just wrong. It's not easy at all. I'm the manager of both CC societies and, in the past, I've tried to find a particular player to remove from the society and gave up after 30 minutes of looking. It's not easy at all when the society has thousands of members and you have to look one by one. Secondly, everyone, including me, is a volunteer. None of us received any of the money you paid for your game. So it's nice that you think it's easy and I should spend my time doing it but the reality is that I give far too much of my time to this site as it is. And, at the moment, donations aren't covering our costs again so now we are volunteering our time and our money to keep this thing running. So you'll forgive me if I have a different perspective on what is "deserved". Thank you for the dedication!
How far are monthly donations running in the red, if I may ask? If you don't want to answer here, you could let me know in a personal message if appropriate. I have kept my monthly donations static for quite a long time, but I have not made a "bonus" one time donation in quite a while. I realize this is more than just about donations for you as you and the rest of the Admins have a ridiculous amount of time vested in this even after 5+ years, but what I can do to help is monetary.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 28, 2020 8:07:45 GMT -5
Before posting, I've been waiting on Tim to update me on the some of the server and tech costs. When we last reported we were collecting about ~$600 monthly. That has dropped to ~$400 monthly over time. But I know expenses have gone up too. And with the mass number of new members we're getting at the moment, they'll be continuing to go up over these next weeks.
Don't want to hijack this thread. We're definitely planning to do an update post. Just need to get all the numbers together.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Apr 28, 2020 8:21:56 GMT -5
Before posting, I've been waiting on Tim to update me on the some of the server and tech costs. When we last reported we were collecting about ~$600 monthly. That has dropped to ~$400 monthly over time. But I know expenses have gone up too. And with the mass number of new members we're getting at the moment, they'll be continuing to go up over these next weeks. Don't want to hijack this thread. We're definitely planning to do an update post. Just need to get all the numbers together. I think it is admirable enough that the staff here puts in a ridiculous amount of time to make things run here, which also includes the schedulers, rangers, and anyone else I may have missed.
But I find it disturbing that you also (Admin particularly?) are fronting costs when 2000+ of us are benefiting from your time and ideas.
For me, that shouldn't be an onus on any of you and the rank and file can throw a buck or two to help out!
I still find the TGCTours experience one of a kind after playing video golf games for over 15 years now.
Anyways, Jeff, I hope that others can join me in helping out in some way. I think it would be appropriate enough to put out some kind of fundraiser push alongside the (I assume?!) further expansion of the Challenge Circuit to more tiers shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 8:27:16 GMT -5
Yes, there's a couple of guys in the CC-Am in game message board getting their knickers in a twist over PGA players playing the events and the ones playing on the BCT who shoot low every week. I tried explaining to them the same as you did, but they'd rather just complain about whos playing, whos legit or high wind. They should just get rid of the message boards in the next version. If they wanna be in that society so bad they should drop down? The BCT players did who used to be on the PGA tour, but they shouldn't be allowed to as they were on PGA? I'm getting confused by these arguments. It's Beginner Club Tour not Beginner Player Tour. They are not beginners in many ways so just gaining an advantage over genuine beginners..there's no wonder people are going mad over it..as I said before they rushed to get to the top then found they couldn't handle it..no sympathy there at all This is in the rules/info section for the beginners club tour: Note: This isn't a beginner skill level tour, but a beginner clubset tour - you may find all ranges of skill level on this tour. As for rushing to the top, many of the top players were on PGA or Euro since the start of TGCTours over 5 years ago so its not that they couldn't handle it. For some its the tempo that is not consistent, others enjoy the relaxed style of play and some find it to be the fairest test between all 3 platforms. Last weeks course had at least half the holes with a wedge for an approach so anyone who knows their roll out distances were licking their chops. Ideally there could be seperate BCT's for different standards, some of us would enjoy playing the PGA or Euro events if they weren't high winds or above (most PGA players would say the same reading their thread). Its just not going to happen though as it would take too much time and resources. Just enjoy the site and only look at the website where the scores actually matter, or just play the official HB society events that are handicap rated, but even then players sandbag to get in those.
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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 28, 2020 10:28:43 GMT -5
Before posting, I've been waiting on Tim to update me on the some of the server and tech costs. When we last reported we were collecting about ~$600 monthly. That has dropped to ~$400 monthly over time. But I know expenses have gone up too. And with the mass number of new members we're getting at the moment, they'll be continuing to go up over these next weeks. Don't want to hijack this thread. We're definitely planning to do an update post. Just need to get all the numbers together. I think it would help if you guys could be a little more transparent with the numbers. If you are truly not able to float the server costs and having to dip into your pockets, that is hugely disappointing. $400/mo is roughly $5000 a year. If 2500 members simply donated $2 a year, that covers those costs (of course not your time for tickets, troubleshooting, upgrading, patching, etc). Edit: Additionally, data on donations would be helpful. For instance, if you said there were 5000 unique players that played 8 or more tournaments (2 months worth) that played in 2019... but only received donations from 500 unique members... it could help to drive donations from people that haven't otherwise contemplated. Perhaps there's a close community member that's good at fundraising/marketing that could help?
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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 28, 2020 12:07:41 GMT -5
As I mentioned about, we're going to be updating everyone with the numbers shortly. We last did so a little over a year ago.
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Post by pigger19 on Apr 28, 2020 17:36:56 GMT -5
People can be banned quite easily so yes that would be good...we all paid money for the game so deserve a say But how much did you pay to join TGCT? I didn't pay to join tgc..stop being silly..you know full well I was on about the game...if you can't have a debate properly then don't answer..simple really
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Post by pigger19 on Apr 28, 2020 17:40:26 GMT -5
People can be banned quite easily so yes that would be good...we all paid money for the game so deserve a say You're just wrong. It's not easy at all. I'm the manager of both CC societies and, in the past, I've tried to find a particular player to remove from the society and gave up after 30 minutes of looking. It's not easy at all when the society has thousands of members and you have to look one by one. Secondly, everyone, including me, is a volunteer. None of us received any of the money you paid for your game. So it's nice that you think it's easy and I should spend my time doing it but the reality is that I give far too much of my time to this site as it is. And, at the moment, donations aren't covering our costs again so now we are volunteering our time and our money to keep this thing running. So you'll forgive me if I have a different perspective on what is "deserved". If you volunteered then that's up to you if you don't want to do it then don't quite simple...everyone allowed their opinions its not hard to find a certain player you just have to look in the society that they're in and ban them..if a private society can do this them I'm sure you can??
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Post by pigger19 on Apr 28, 2020 17:45:49 GMT -5
They are not beginners in many ways so just gaining an advantage over genuine beginners..there's no wonder people are going mad over it..as I said before they rushed to get to the top then found they couldn't handle it..no sympathy there at all This is in the rules/info section for the beginners club tour: Note: This isn't a beginner skill level tour, but a beginner clubset tour - you may find all ranges of skill level on this tour. As for rushing to the top, many of the top players were on PGA or Euro since the start of TGCTours over 5 years ago so its not that they couldn't handle it. For some its the tempo that is not consistent, others enjoy the relaxed style of play and some find it to be the fairest test between all 3 platforms. Last weeks course had at least half the holes with a wedge for an approach so anyone who knows their roll out distances were licking their chops. Ideally there could be seperate BCT's for different standards, some of us would enjoy playing the PGA or Euro events if they weren't high winds or above (most PGA players would say the same reading their thread). Its just not going to happen though as it would take too much time and resources. Just enjoy the site and only look at the website where the scores actually matter, or just play the official HB society events that are handicap rated, but even then players sandbag to get in those. Appreciate the thoughts behind your comments and I'd love to believe them as they may well be true..but there are just too many shady characters out there easier to believe the worst then be surprised if you're wrong
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Post by Oscar C on Apr 28, 2020 17:57:15 GMT -5
But how much did you pay to join TGCT? I didn't pay to join tgc..stop being silly..you know full well I was on about the game...if you can't have a debate properly then don't answer..simple really Wasnt being silly at all. Actually it was you who linked the society removal as being easy to this website so it has nothing to do with the game and alot to do with the admin here.
You sir are wrong.
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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 28, 2020 18:01:26 GMT -5
You're just wrong. It's not easy at all. I'm the manager of both CC societies and, in the past, I've tried to find a particular player to remove from the society and gave up after 30 minutes of looking. It's not easy at all when the society has thousands of members and you have to look one by one. Secondly, everyone, including me, is a volunteer. None of us received any of the money you paid for your game. So it's nice that you think it's easy and I should spend my time doing it but the reality is that I give far too much of my time to this site as it is. And, at the moment, donations aren't covering our costs again so now we are volunteering our time and our money to keep this thing running. So you'll forgive me if I have a different perspective on what is "deserved". If you volunteered then that's up to you if you don't want to do it then don't quite simple...everyone allowed their opinions its not hard to find a certain player you just have to look in the society that they're in and ban them..if a private society can do this them I'm sure you can?? You literally can only see 10 players at a time. Some of these societies have thousands of players. You think they’re going to spend all day banning people through hundreds of pages? What happens if the person isn’t in the society? I hate to call anyone an idiot but you’re getting there mate.
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Post by AUSSIEBRONCO on May 3, 2020 16:56:25 GMT -5
Swing data from your round is analyzed and if in the range of 'too perfect' (i.e. like a robot) the scores are pulled from the leaderboard, and the user is notified of the fault. arr thanks, Had no idea.. Sounds like the old sraight edge used in Links 2003 days
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Post by clevelandeer on May 14, 2020 8:57:17 GMT -5
I believe this week is my 3rd DQ from TST Society. Back around early March I practiced for several hours on my swing and it got better. Results in TST went from 30th-50th to a top 10 and consistently 15th-30th place. After a good finish at Valero & Masters I was DQ'd from the Heritage. Played the next week at Zurich but results say I WD, strange because I was DQ'd the following week at Wells Fargo, played the following week at AT&T and this week I'm DQ'd again.
I really enjoy the TST because it's a true challenge and very difficult. Like I told Matt10 & Donley, I've been playing this way since I started about 2 years ago. I'm using the same controller that came with the game when I bought it 4-5 years ago. I've struggled with the constant pull since the beginning but have learned to compensate for it. I move the aiming circle to the right side of the fairway or even into the rough, depending on the wind, to get the drive into the fairway, pretty much same with the approach shots. As far as putting goes, if I have a straight putt, and we know there is no such thing, I need to move the pointer to the right edge and hope it goes in.
To all the administrators, keep up the good work.
To all the course designers, you guys do an amazing job.
I will continue to play because I enjoy the competition, camaraderie and the challenges.
Clevelandeer.
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Post by BillySastard976 on May 14, 2020 10:38:10 GMT -5
I agree with whoever said that if each of us donated just a little every month, nothing that we would even miss, it would be worth it to each of us a hundred times over.
Has there ever been any thought to charging a small monthly fee? I realize that makes this a business, with the inherent problems that brings.
I'll make a donation anyway, but I'll see how I go about making it a monthly thing. Obviously I expect favouritism in return.
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