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Post by greyosprey on Nov 7, 2019 17:05:15 GMT -5
I'm probably really naive on this subject, but how does the admin know the API data is any more consistent than the hamster powered game server(s)? A controller can pass for a couple weeks, then fail, and it's the controller going bad? Any chance the API data is inaccurate or inconsistent?
Personally, I've gone through 2 controllers playing this game. I don't recall ever having an API issue, but if I did, I'm not sure I could justify buying another controller just for this game. Heck, even the developer appears to have mailed it in on this game. Doesn't make much sense to invest $$$ into something that has no support from the top.
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Post by faymondo on Nov 15, 2019 16:55:48 GMT -5
My two original controllers suffer connection problems that I cant get my head around. So I bought a cheaper controller replacement. Got pulled up on about my 4th week with it and a DNS. Gone back to the old controller but with the connection problems takes me most probably an extra rounds worth of time not to mention losing flow in the game and hence shots. The rules are the rules though. I am not very good at the game and if I was gonna cheat I would cheat better than mid table CC-F !!!
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 18, 2019 6:40:18 GMT -5
My two original controllers suffer connection problems that I cant get my head around. So I bought a cheaper controller replacement. Got pulled up on about my 4th week with it and a DNS. Gone back to the old controller but with the connection problems takes me most probably an extra rounds worth of time not to mention losing flow in the game and hence shots. The rules are the rules though. I am not very good at the game and if I was gonna cheat I would cheat better than mid table CC-F !!! What kind of controller is it, can you hard wire it?
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Post by zahidhuubow on Nov 20, 2019 11:25:10 GMT -5
Swing data from your round is analyzed and if in the range of 'too perfect' (i.e. like a robot) the scores are pulled from the leaderboard, and the user is notified of the fault. Is this assumed to be controller-related, i.e. hardware, or is it conceivable there are people who play like robots on official controllers? Quite frankly the whole thing is bogus until you can ascertain all players using a controller play w/ a branded OEM controller NOT a knock-off controller. Is there no way to tell what kind of controller is being used presumably? I'd love to see ANYONE live shoot these scores w/ a MS brand OEM Xbox controller.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Nov 20, 2019 13:22:38 GMT -5
Swing data from your round is analyzed and if in the range of 'too perfect' (i.e. like a robot) the scores are pulled from the leaderboard, and the user is notified of the fault. Is this assumed to be controller-related, i.e. hardware, or is it conceivable there are people who play like robots on official controllers? Quite frankly the whole thing is bogus until you can ascertain all players using a controller play w/ a branded OEM controller NOT a knock-off controller. Is there no way to tell what kind of controller is being used presumably? I'd love to see ANYONE live shoot these scores w/ a MS brand OEM Xbox controller. It occurs with standard controllers as well.. I don't know if the admins can tell what type of controller, they just get the raw swing data.
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Post by deltacharlie on Dec 14, 2019 11:38:31 GMT -5
I think we need to be careful calling people cheats (in fact it's against the rules to do so). Most people that fail fair play are able to move on without issue. There are some where it takes trial and error, especially if they've been swinging a particular way for a long time...it's hard to wipe that out of muscle memory. And let's be real here...flicking isn't a blatant cheat like using a script or something. Most of our members have no idea that flicking is even a thing. And it really shouldn't be a thing. It's a game flaw. If a person was found to be cheating, their account would be banned. That's plain and simple. The three strikes fair play rule has nothing to do with cheaters. Cheaters get banned. I applaud your desire and actions in this case. My only concern is the people who are definitely trying to get better. After they get dinged, they only got two more chances to fix their issue before they are facing some stiff penalties. This is why I advocated that if a person is in a situation with 3 strikes against them, they can remove one of those strikes with 4+ weeks of clean play, heck make it 8 weeks if you want but for those people I think giving them the chance of working out the new swing and then being able to play 4-8 weeks straight with no issues should be rewarded in some way. I would say THEN after that period, they can qualify for majors but if they get another.... done like a relapse. In the end it gives those people who are truly trying to work things out, trying different controllers ect the ability to do so without fear of their third strike.
If I was on a controller got a strike, got a new one and got a strike, I would be a nervous wreck knowing my next one was going to be a huge penalty and I still haven't gotten any closer to fixing the issue. Let them get that third one as they continue work the issues out but at least give them a single way to get back out. Once the issues are fixed, you got one chance to go 4, 6, 8 weeks to go perfect. You do .. you are back to 2 strikes, but get another after being so clean, then it is over.
I agree with you on this. Someone who is trying to get better should be rewarded. I have had a couple FP pulls and until I just now read this thread I wasn't sure what the problem could be. I have used different controllers with the same result. It's stressful. I had no idea that flicking the controller up would lead to more consistent swings. Just wish an admin would have let me know about this, not everyone playing is on the forums
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Post by GW_Hope on Dec 14, 2019 12:53:49 GMT -5
I applaud your desire and actions in this case. My only concern is the people who are definitely trying to get better. After they get dinged, they only got two more chances to fix their issue before they are facing some stiff penalties. This is why I advocated that if a person is in a situation with 3 strikes against them, they can remove one of those strikes with 4+ weeks of clean play, heck make it 8 weeks if you want but for those people I think giving them the chance of working out the new swing and then being able to play 4-8 weeks straight with no issues should be rewarded in some way. I would say THEN after that period, they can qualify for majors but if they get another.... done like a relapse. In the end it gives those people who are truly trying to work things out, trying different controllers ect the ability to do so without fear of their third strike.
If I was on a controller got a strike, got a new one and got a strike, I would be a nervous wreck knowing my next one was going to be a huge penalty and I still haven't gotten any closer to fixing the issue. Let them get that third one as they continue work the issues out but at least give them a single way to get back out. Once the issues are fixed, you got one chance to go 4, 6, 8 weeks to go perfect. You do .. you are back to 2 strikes, but get another after being so clean, then it is over.
I agree with you on this. Someone who is trying to get better should be rewarded. I have had a couple FP pulls and until I just now read this thread I wasn't sure what the problem could be. I have used different controllers with the same result. It's stressful. I had no idea that flicking the controller up would lead to more consistent swings. Just wish an admin would have let me know about this, not everyone playing is on the forums The good news is if you stop you will have little chance of getting pulled again.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 17, 2020 4:03:30 GMT -5
5 up!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jan 17, 2020 4:32:52 GMT -5
3 strikes and you're out of the majors is fine, but never understood why it stops @ 3.
We're still competing against people who've been pulled 5-10 times week in week out. It's not much solace that they won't be @ the Masters in 3 months time.
Surely there reaches a point where a permanent ban is justified? (especially if a player has made little to no effort to rectify the problem and just plays API roulette each week)
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 17, 2020 5:28:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, on PGA at least, the most we've had is 4 pulls (this year), and 2 people have reached that goal. 3 more are on 3 for the year... so 5 top 50 players are out of the majors. After that, it's scraps. Still, there's no limit to what's acceptable. The swing is a mess for 2019.
I keep a tab on PGA and TST DQ's, not Euro, but there's a lad over there that has been pulled 7 times this year (from what I can see at least). Now I know him, I've played with him H2H on numerous occasions on an evening over a few beers, and he's a great lad and a tremendous putter.
I'm not about to comment on discussions / outlooks on the situation that we've shared, but purely from my perspective, if you get pulled 7 times in one season and that's still acceptable, what's the deterrent? What does that say to the rest of the players that are busting their balls on full difficulty?
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 22, 2020 4:22:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, on PGA at least, the most we've had is 5 pulls (this year)...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 21:39:58 GMT -5
Simple ask:
What is the incentive for a PGA player to adjust their swing once they reach the current 3 API pull limit and are ineligible for Majors, etc.? It seems they will simply just play for the win in regular tour events versus a pull that doesn't mean much in the events they can qualify to play...
Surely there should be a further disciplinary action after 3 pulls that moves towards a season ban? Maybe there is something in between that can be considered like a one week ban after a further pull (4th, etc) after a 3rd API pull?!?
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Post by Doyley on Jan 26, 2020 21:47:17 GMT -5
Simple ask: What is the incentive for a PGA player to adjust their swing once they reach the current 3 API pull limit and are ineligible for Majors, etc.? It seems they will simply just play for the win in regular tour events versus a pull that doesn't mean much in the events they can qualify to play... Surely there should be a further disciplinary action after 3 pulls that moves towards a season ban? Maybe there is something in between that can be considered like a one week ban after a further pull (4th, etc) after a 3rd API pull?!? I'm not looking to micromanage API pulls. If we add anything else it'll be a season ban but most likely it'll just be case by case and once I've had enough, and it's obvious they aren't interested in adjusting, I'll just ban them for the rest of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 21:50:15 GMT -5
Simple ask: What is the incentive for a PGA player to adjust their swing once they reach the current 3 API pull limit and are ineligible for Majors, etc.? It seems they will simply just play for the win in regular tour events versus a pull that doesn't mean much in the events they can qualify to play... Surely there should be a further disciplinary action after 3 pulls that moves towards a season ban? Maybe there is something in between that can be considered like a one week ban after a further pull (4th, etc) after a 3rd API pull?!? I'm not looking to micromanage API pulls. If we add anything else it'll be a season ban but most likely it'll just be case by case and once I've had enough, and it's obvious they aren't interested in adjusting, I'll just ban them. Fair enough. The bolded is what I think is a problem, even though they are a small subset of TGCTour members in general.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 31, 2020 7:53:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, on PGA at least, the most we've had is 6 pulls (this year)...
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