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Sept 19, 2019 17:45:40 GMT -5
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Post by flyingj75 on Sept 19, 2019 17:45:40 GMT -5
There's literally petabytes of discussion across almost every competitive game in existence on whether exploits are considered cheating. The overwhelming consensus appears to be yes. TGCT admin position is understandable tho... if it's unpoliceable, what can you do? THEN JUST SAY IT! Yes, it's a problem, we get it, it's screwing up the competition, we'd rather players didn't do it. It's not that hard.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 19, 2019 17:55:51 GMT -5
There was a guy last year, I won’t say his name, as someone else might say it two more times and he may reappear...
He got DQ’d 7 times. He was a flicker, and... and he kept on flicking and flicking, and despite numerous people trying to help him, just blamed the API. He was publicly engaged in debate about his flicking.
He got banned. Enough was enough. You can’t teach pork.
Admin banned him. He was flicking... but getting caught.
The problem for the admin is this fella was routinely, repeatedly, producing inhuman results. It was easy to see... it set off API because it was inhumanly accurate.
The “other” issue is that some others are taking advantage of the short swing with some wonk, so as to enable them to HBLoft (Tm) that slips by the API, as the variability that their swing produces falls within acceptable, non robotic parameters.
Maybe if we had an API that worked tangentially with the loft box... hmmm...
Anyhow - would the admin outlaw flicking if they could? I believe they would, but it’s not possible to do that due to the lack of obvious evidence.
Let’s hope to @!$# that HB sack it for the next game.
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Post by flyingj75 on Sept 19, 2019 18:03:41 GMT -5
I hear ya Fadge. I get it, they can't police it. But don't defend it. Those that do, I don't have any idea where their heads are. Silence, is condoning it.
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Post by paulus on Sept 19, 2019 19:08:49 GMT -5
There was also this other guy - highly respected by the whole forum.
He got DQ'd once. He was flicking. It's just how he always played the game.
As with most things in the real world - it's messy - there are many genuine cases mixed in with the piss takers. That's why it's hard to take a hard line... a more measured response is required...
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Post by SmilingGoats on Sept 19, 2019 19:29:01 GMT -5
I hear ya Fadge. I get it, they can't police it. But don't defend it. Those that do, I don't have any idea where their heads are. Silence, is condoning it. This is complete and utter bs. I've been completely open and honest about the whole thing. We talked about it on the admin show, I've posted about it numerous times, I've had PM discussions. You're acting like because I'm not calling all flickers cheaters that I'm in some kind of denial. That's horse crap. I've been leading the charge on this thing for over a year, sending data to HB, etc. So save your high horse and get off my back.
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Sept 19, 2019 19:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by flyingj75 on Sept 19, 2019 19:45:10 GMT -5
I hear ya Fadge. I get it, they can't police it. But don't defend it. Those that do, I don't have any idea where their heads are. Silence, is condoning it. This is complete and utter bs. I've been completely open and honest about the whole thing. We talked about it on the admin show, I've posted about it numerous times, I've had PM discussions. You're acting like because I'm not calling all flickers cheaters that I'm in some kind of denial. That's horse crap. I've been leading the charge on this thing for over a year, sending data to HB, etc. So save your high horse and get off my back. All I know from you is what I see on this thread and I don't see a hint of that. This isn't aimed at you personally, it's about feedback from TGCTOURS. Nobody is on your back, I'm just speaking the truth here and I haven't seen a word from you saying anything about the example of the swingline that I posted.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Sept 19, 2019 19:47:27 GMT -5
Oh, so your opinion is formed on limited information...I suppose that is forgiveable.
What swingline are you referring to?
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Sept 19, 2019 19:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by flyingj75 on Sept 19, 2019 19:51:12 GMT -5
If we considered someone a cheater, we would ban them, as we have done numerous times. I think that answers your question. Sooo, taking advantage of an exploit is not cheating in your book, that's fine, it is in mine. Also, just watched the round of a certain player that finished as the best in the world in 2019. On the tee, par 4. Wind going 7 mph across to the left. He swings with his target the center of the fairway. Feed back has the line going halfway up the circle and then fish tailing off to the left and out of the blue, the swing still only finishing halfway up the line. A god awful time to push the ball (he's left handed) cause that push let alone the 7 mph wind will surely take him into the trees on the left side. Nope! Straight down the middle. Over and over again. Truly a dismal swing. Can you explain that? Cause, well, I'm obviously playing a different game. You see in my game, if you push the ball left and add a wind going left, low and behold the damn thing goes left. But, no, nothing to see here.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Sept 19, 2019 19:55:30 GMT -5
I'm well aware that's what happens when you short swing. It's virtually impossible to hit left. I sent that info to HB last January.
Is it a game flaw? Yes, absolutely.
Are people knowingly taking advantage of it? Yes, some people. And some people have no idea it's even a thing in this game and are taking advantage of it unwittingly.
Can we police it? No.
Is it an advantage for PS4 players? Yes, and not the only one.
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Post by flyingj75 on Sept 19, 2019 20:00:44 GMT -5
Honest Jeff? I think someone referred to you as Jeff. That's all I wanted to hear. First time I have heard it from staff. I feel bad about it, it has to be a thorn in TGCTOURS rear end. For some reason we are not allowed to say so and so is cheating because you guys don't see it as such. But it is and we all know it. I appreciate the dialogue. Apparently there is nothing more to do or say on the subject.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 19, 2019 21:16:43 GMT -5
Honest Jeff? I think someone referred to you as Jeff. That's all I wanted to hear. First time I have heard it from staff. I feel bad about it, it has to be a thorn in TGCTOURS rear end. For some reason we are not allowed to say so and so is cheating because you guys don't see it as such. But it is and we all know it. I appreciate the dialogue. Apparently there is nothing more to do or say on the subject. Yep. Is the reason why i agree with who says that is actually useless to continue to talk about this, by one side. And..to answer to you in some way, maybe the only think we could do, as players and community's members, I mean, would be to start pay back publicly all the disrespect we receive from who are playing knowingly and shamelessly in this disrespectful way. It could change actually something? Probably not..immediately. But being mainly a question of immense ego, that pushes someone to play in this way, (with no money or other "real" prizes, this make me smile everytime i think about this..how much sad can be a life... ), probably after some month spent being considered from everyone a coward, at least who of those "players" lives this community actively, could start to think about the fact that it could be not anymore the case to insist. But to do this should be wrong. And too sad. We could only poison a lot much more our community. Then..no. There is nothing we can do if we can't find a way to catch'em ALL. But something we could do and i would like to see, at least, is to avoid to cheers who wins (or achieve good scores) in this way. Just leave them alone. They don't cares about this community. Why we should care about them? As i said from the start, the main problem here are not scores or wins, for me. Is the disrespect. And we here are mocking a game that is ALL about respect. Who cheats in a game such this, in a community like this, deserves absolutely nothing. Just silence. No counting the fact that is simply hypocrite if after a win you tell to these guys "wow..well played" while YOU know the truth. And the truth is that probably, playing the game as intended, they would struggle even to avoid a demo mark every week in cc. Otherwise there would be no need to use this cheats. To consider them as cowards invisible men, (about everything related to the tour, I mean) is the only defense we have. I suppose the majority will not agree with my point of view..and is fine for me. But wrong or correct it can be, this is my opinion. And this is what I'll ever do. And what i already do. Respect is never for free. I grew up learning this rule. And I'll not break it for a bunch of cheaters. For sure.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 20, 2019 4:42:17 GMT -5
Honest Jeff? I think someone referred to you as Jeff. That's all I wanted to hear. First time I have heard it from staff. I feel bad about it, it has to be a thorn in TGCTOURS rear end. For some reason we are not allowed to say so and so is cheating because you guys don't see it as such. But it is and we all know it. I appreciate the dialogue. Apparently there is nothing more to do or say on the subject. J, I think all that we can do on the subject, truly, is to raise this with HB as often as possible, maybe link them to these dialogues... Any video evidence... Admin have their hands tied at this end unfortunately. There is a lot of passion here from people that understand how much of a joke this particular swing glitch is, and many that have abandoned using it after it's discovery. There is good dialogue ongoing, and more people are becoming aware of it because of that. We just need to make sure it doesn't go quiet on the HB forums.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 8:29:54 GMT -5
Honest Jeff? I think someone referred to you as Jeff. That's all I wanted to hear. First time I have heard it from staff. I feel bad about it, it has to be a thorn in TGCTOURS rear end. For some reason we are not allowed to say so and so is cheating because you guys don't see it as such. But it is and we all know it. I appreciate the dialogue. Apparently there is nothing more to do or say on the subject. J, I think all that we can do on the subject, truly, is to raise this with HB as often as possible, maybe link them to these dialogues... Any video evidence... Admin have their hands tied at this end unfortunately. There is a lot of passion here from people that understand how much of a joke this particular swing glitch is, and many that have abandoned using it after it's discovery. There is good dialogue ongoing, and more people are becoming aware of it because of that. We just need to make sure it doesn't go quiet on the HB forums. I see Rob Dallas started a thread over there about not seeing shot feedback from opponents. Feel free to chime in as HB Shaun has already replied to why they did remove it.
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Sept 20, 2019 10:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by GW_Hope on Sept 20, 2019 10:16:04 GMT -5
Yep, they need a mass amount of complaints. Shaun is now saying The advantage isn’t widely used. So not a big deal to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:00:44 GMT -5
Yep, they need a mass amount of complaints. Shaun is now saying The advantage isn’t widely used. So not a big deal to them. That probably means the next version will be the same with a tractor, combine harvester and haystacks added to the designer......maybe a new potaloo too if we're lucky.
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