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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 21, 2019 14:47:23 GMT -5
I've chatted quite a bit with Vinny (as I call him!) Whilst he was doing his big list and then switched to this RCR list. The amount of work and dedication he's put in is crazy! Very admirable. He also helped me finding and checking RCRs for the ultra sim experience society, where we use only real courses. Thanks for all your work Vinny! Thank you mate But to be fully honest, has been not so hard. And Is also funny for me, in some way. I like to organize things..Solve problems..stuff like this. That is a strange attitude, considering how much I'm an absolutely chaotic person. In everything. Is part of the duality of the human being, I suppose. And if it can be also useful for someone else, I'm really happy for this.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 21, 2019 14:56:24 GMT -5
Honestly I have no idea about how the difficulty is indicated on a course. I was thinking it was something indicated by the designer Who knows..maybe the game uses the scores of every player on every console to decide it..but I have really not idea. Something I'm curious about is also this. The numbers that indicates the difficult rating and the slope of a course, is decided when a course is handicapped and it stays always the same or it continue to change everytime, depending on scores? The difficulty changes as the course gets more plays but I am not quite sure how it is done.I do know the designer does not set it other than the effect green speed,slope and firmness has on the ultimate rating. Is how I suspected. Is for this reason, that I decided to don't put this data on the list..but I still think it could be a pretty interesting data to know about a course. If those numbers have not too much fluctuations, it could be a good idea to correct the list and implement them. I'll think a bit about what could be the best way to proceed. Then I'll probably spend some time to add also these numbers.
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Post by LKeet6 on Aug 21, 2019 15:32:59 GMT -5
I know you've enjoyed it, and I know you've got an obsessive OCD style approach to things, but it's still a hell of a lot of work, it's useful, and I'm glad you're being recognised a bit for it
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 21, 2019 16:39:31 GMT -5
I know you've enjoyed it, and I know you've got an obsessive OCD style approach to things, but it's still a hell of a lot of work, it's useful, and I'm glad you're being recognised a bit for it I don't know if obsessive compulsive is a proper word to describe me The idea makes me smile a bit cause I suppose that if someone who knows me IRL should ever read here, could probably think I'm not who they knows. This thing is hilarious, for me For example, i don't know what the word anxiety means. My girlfriends hated me cause I never lose control, I never yell or raise the voice (I hate people who screams to "win") and..fundamentally I talk really, really little (this sounds incredible, I know it ). The curious thing is that, at the start, a girl loves me exactly for this..but then she seems don't appreciate it anymore. Women are strange. Someone who knows me tells me that probably I suffer some form of atarassy, but I know that the truth is simply that I don't give a sh!t about..everything? My vision of the life is that is all a joke. All the things why we fight, all the values tqht seema to be so important, is all reversed for me. Almost everything is just a fake. A continuous acting, if you look at it with no personal feelings involved. So I simply decided years ago that If i have to fight for something, I want to be the one and the only who decide for what. Or when. And how much. And when to quit if I decide to quit at some point. Probably I should share something of my life, to make this thought a bit understandable, but is not the place or the time to do something like this. But I'm happy, if it seems that I cares about this place, this community, cause is actually true. And for how I see things.. to be involved is something that you do..or you don't. I decided to do it..so i spend all myself. Maybe one day I'll wake up and I'll be tired or no more motivated and then I'll simply quit..but until that moment, I'll spend myself completely on this thing cause I think is the right thing to do. Life is easy, after all. Is freedom, that is always difficult to gain..and to defend. And has always some price to pay.
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Post by LKeet6 on Aug 21, 2019 16:49:01 GMT -5
Woah! That's deep Vinny! I love it. Appreciate your honesty.
I didn't mean you are literally OCD, I used it more jokingly. Like people sometimes say that about me, in a more superficial way, not like as defined by a doctor.
Funnily tho, I actually also sometimes surprise people (including women!) By how in control I am. Not everybody likes it!
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 21, 2019 18:18:20 GMT -5
I decided to add to the list also two other columns, one for the Course Ratings (named CR), one For the Slope Rating (named SR). On the title it will be also a short explanation I found (and I hope is all correct cause honestly I understand more or less nothing about all this stuff 👀). Please give me just some day to update every cell properly. Obviously, if someone should find some error or if can/wants simply suggest some other improving, if is possible I'll be happy to work on it as soon as possible. Thank you
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 22, 2019 10:05:44 GMT -5
I played the Spring Valley course this week, I believe the name is "svcc_draft 02". Here is the website for the course with some info: www.springvalleyccgolf.com/course/Specifically this part: "Originally constructed in the 1920’s and open for play in 1926, Spring Valley CC (originally named “Our Country Club”) is one of the oldest in Southeast Wisconsin. Located just south of Salem WI and just north of Antioch, IL on route 83 it is a local favorite that, weather permitting, provides year round golf to the community. Though not Long at 6354 yards by modern standards, this par 70 course, thanks to the brilliant design of renowned architects, Langford and Moreau, offers a challenge to golfers of all skill levels. Purposely designed so the five par 3’s of various lengths, the three par 5’s, the long par 4’s and the drivable par 4 14th hole force even the single digit handicapper to use every club in the bag. The course architects, Langford and Moreau, built Spring Valley CC just before building what is believed to be their crowning achievement, Lawsonia CC, near Green Lake WI. Anyone who has played Lawsonia, ranked in the Top 100 public courses in the U.S. can see the similarities. Langford and Moreau builders of over 200 courses, mostly throughout the Midwest, believed that par should be protected near the green. Toward that end, the fairways are generous, the greens are multilayered and guarded by steep grass faced bunkers. Though the original plan called for 65 sand bunkers, the course’s first owner chose to leave them grass filled which has been honored to this day by the family that has owned the course since 1959."
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 22, 2019 11:01:35 GMT -5
I played the Spring Valley course this week, I believe the name is "svcc_draft 02". Here is the website for the course with some info: www.springvalleyccgolf.com/course/Specifically this part: "Originally constructed in the 1920’s and open for play in 1926, Spring Valley CC (originally named “Our Country Club”) is one of the oldest in Southeast Wisconsin. Located just south of Salem WI and just north of Antioch, IL on route 83 it is a local favorite that, weather permitting, provides year round golf to the community. Though not Long at 6354 yards by modern standards, this par 70 course, thanks to the brilliant design of renowned architects, Langford and Moreau, offers a challenge to golfers of all skill levels. Purposely designed so the five par 3’s of various lengths, the three par 5’s, the long par 4’s and the drivable par 4 14th hole force even the single digit handicapper to use every club in the bag. The course architects, Langford and Moreau, built Spring Valley CC just before building what is believed to be their crowning achievement, Lawsonia CC, near Green Lake WI. Anyone who has played Lawsonia, ranked in the Top 100 public courses in the U.S. can see the similarities. Langford and Moreau builders of over 200 courses, mostly throughout the Midwest, believed that par should be protected near the green. Toward that end, the fairways are generous, the greens are multilayered and guarded by steep grass faced bunkers. Though the original plan called for 65 sand bunkers, the course’s first owner chose to leave them grass filled which has been honored to this day by the family that has owned the course since 1959." Thank you theclv24 !! Now I'm in coffee&cigarette pause and I can't verify immediately, but that name it sounds familiar, If I'm not wrong the course is already reported on the list. But I'm not sure the name is related to the proper real course, so thank you for the help Ah..and i swear, if someone should ever touch your Shoreacres, I'll start the riot with JWTexan. I swear I'm waiting so badly for it..i played the two lookalike courses we have and looking at the satellite map this course is so beautiful that it hurts.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 22, 2019 11:12:47 GMT -5
Oh..just to ask, if someone have some answer to my curiosity. Everywhere I read, I find that the Slope Rating works between a minimum of 54 and a maximum of 155. But..it can be that there is something a bit broken with this kind of data in the game? Cause I found a bunch of course that have a SR of 24..or 36..44..numbers like these. It is possible or it is something wrong? Conversely, the Course rating seems to work in a more "normal" way..but to be honest, I can't say it with some confidence, cause, being just a casual digital golfer who never touched a club in his whole life, i really don't fully understand how these numbers works. I read..i understand..but I don't understand. 👀
I mean..well..you understand.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Aug 22, 2019 12:14:09 GMT -5
Oh..just to ask, if someone have some answer to my curiosity. Everywhere I read, I find that the Slope Rating works between a minimum of 54 and a maximum of 155. But..it can be that there is something a bit broken with this kind of data in the game? Cause I found a bunch of course that have a SR of 24..or 36..44..numbers like these. It is possible or it is something wrong? Conversely, the Course rating seems to work in a more "normal" way..but to be honest, I can't say it with some confidence, cause, being just a casual digital golfer who never touched a club in his whole life, i really don't fully understand how these numbers works. I read..i understand..but I don't understand. 👀 I mean..well..you understand. It is possible Ezzino that those ratings are for a nine hole course or that a lot of people are only playing nine holes on the course. That MIGHT be one explanation, but if somebody knows better they will chime in. In RL golf, at least with USGA and Royal and Ancient the ratings range you quote are true. All that stuff will change IRL in 2020 though - new handicapping rules are coming then.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 22, 2019 13:05:51 GMT -5
Oh..just to ask, if someone have some answer to my curiosity. Everywhere I read, I find that the Slope Rating works between a minimum of 54 and a maximum of 155. But..it can be that there is something a bit broken with this kind of data in the game? Cause I found a bunch of course that have a SR of 24..or 36..44..numbers like these. It is possible or it is something wrong? Conversely, the Course rating seems to work in a more "normal" way..but to be honest, I can't say it with some confidence, cause, being just a casual digital golfer who never touched a club in his whole life, i really don't fully understand how these numbers works. I read..i understand..but I don't understand. 👀 I mean..well..you understand. It is possible Ezzino that those ratings are for a nine hole course or that a lot of people are only playing nine holes on the course. That MIGHT be one explanation, but if somebody knows better they will chime in. In RL golf, at least with USGA and Royal and Ancient the ratings range you quote are true. All that stuff will change IRL in 2020 though - new handicapping rules are coming then. I don't know.. For example, both our Sweetens Cove have a Slope Rating of 43 and 46. The Ace Club has 28!! And they are par 71 and 72. And i picked the first courses i saw. But i mean..after reporting these numbers for hundreds of courses, the strangest thing that i noticed is not mainly these numbers so low..but is the fact that is really hard to find SR higher than 76/80. Some SR around "100" or higher are really sporadic. I don't understand so much this system, but these numbers seems to be definitely senseless, in some way. The Course Rating seems to have a "window" of min/max (and also a media) more logic, for what i can understand. I have also the impression that the Slope Rating shows absurd numbers mainly on those courses handicapped but with less than 400/500 plays. And the numbers seems that starts to have some logic in those courses with more than 1000/200 plays. But maybe is just my impression..i can0t be sure. But it would be interesting to know if this stat definitely it works or not..and if not, why..But i have clearly not the knowledge needed here.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 22, 2019 13:29:44 GMT -5
theclv24 I checked the list. You saved me a good amount of time!! Actually I remembered well, the course was reported..and also with the correct name of the real course, but I was unable to understand if it was the country club in Wisconsin or in South Carolina, no counting the fact that there are two other golf clubs with this name in Ohio and Australia..so thank you for the help! Also for the architects name and the history. I'll search later for some eventual renovation work thru the years. Is incredible how many interesting things I start to know and understand reading so many stories about so many courses and architects. I'm always more happy about this work! So now I suppose the least I can do is to play the course!
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 22, 2019 13:46:05 GMT -5
theclv24 I checked the list. You saved me a good amount of time!! Actually I remembered well, the course was reported..and also with the correct name of the real course, but I was unable to understand if it was the country club in Wisconsin or in South Carolina, no counting the fact that there are two other golf clubs with this name in Ohio and Australia..so thank you for the help! Also for the architects name and the history. I'll search later for some eventual renovation work thru the years. Is incredible how many interesting things I start to know and understand reading so many stories about so many courses and architects. I'm always more happy about this work! So now I suppose the least I can do is to play the course! Yeah I definitely appreciate the list. I went through it a few nights ago and added a lot of the courses that weren't already on my list to play. When I'm not familiar with a course, knowing the design history helps me make a better decision on whether or not I want to put it on the list, since I can't get to them all. Against my better judgment I tried the Nicklaus Reunion course last night, and despite a job well done by the designer with the details, I couldn't finish the round. Just not my cup of tea. Spring Valley, on the other hand, was wide open from the tee, but got a little wild around some of the greens. A really interesting and enjoyable play.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 22, 2019 14:31:05 GMT -5
theclv24 I checked the list. You saved me a good amount of time!! Actually I remembered well, the course was reported..and also with the correct name of the real course, but I was unable to understand if it was the country club in Wisconsin or in South Carolina, no counting the fact that there are two other golf clubs with this name in Ohio and Australia..so thank you for the help! Also for the architects name and the history. I'll search later for some eventual renovation work thru the years. Is incredible how many interesting things I start to know and understand reading so many stories about so many courses and architects. I'm always more happy about this work! So now I suppose the least I can do is to play the course! Yeah I definitely appreciate the list. I went through it a few nights ago and added a lot of the courses that weren't already on my list to play. When I'm not familiar with a course, knowing the design history helps me make a better decision on whether or not I want to put it on the list, since I can't get to them all. Against my better judgment I tried the Nicklaus Reunion course last night, and despite a job well done by the designer with the details, I couldn't finish the round. Just not my cup of tea. Spring Valley, on the other hand, was wide open from the tee, but got a little wild around some of the greens. A really interesting and enjoyable play. Exactly my same feeling about the Nicklaus at Reunion. Is a great work. But I can't enjoy my round. Just to talk a bit, some day ago, I discovered the work of a guy..i suppose is French, cause he created a bunch of courses in France, Reunion and French Polynesia. I played two courses made by him. One is the Toulouse Golf Club and is a course really well realized, but is actually unplayable from the tips with pro clubs..and almost unplayable even with master clubs, cause the designer decided to maximize the distances from the tees. But the tees are five, so is fair enough. And the course is really interesting to play, and also pretty accurate. The other course is in French Polynesia and is named green pearl of..moreau, maybe..i don't remember. And is made by Nicklaus. A very interesting course. Enough accurate, even if not perfect. Maybe not perfectly sculpted, but I can't judge properly this kind of things (and I won't). All lidar works. I found also a guy who created a lot of courses from Norway, but I have still to try them. There are a lot of courses to verify..and to tell you the whole truth, I decided for this reason to play later the courses made by guys like you, nobleman, bspetty, Brandon, Justin Smedley, just to tell some name..cause I already saw that is almost sure that your work is always accurate and.. well.. almost always perfect. So I think is more useful for the other players if I start verifying all the courses (made by designers that I don't know) with a real name that I find here and there and that seems to be, after a first fast look, at least near to the IRL courses. The experience i had on these weeks teaches me that if in the list, right now, there are almost 500 courses (not counting the 35-40 created only for Simulator that I still don't know if is useful for someone to report in this list..or If I should just delete them..), probably after a proper check 100, maybe even 150 courses will results fictional or no good enough. But considering how many new courses we have almost daily..the number will be in any case impressive. I'm finishing also a list of courses we still don't have in the game, ranked in the world top100 standings and/or used in all the most important pro tours worldwide (PGA, LPGA, Euro, Sunshine, Australasian, Web.com and so go on..and in Ryder, President's, Walker, Solheim cup etc), just to take some count of what they are the most important courses we're still missing (for example, is sad that still we miss a good Carnoustie..but is quite a long list). It reports already 300 courses..especially outside the USA and the UK. I don't know if it can be useful..it wish to be just a reminder if sometime a designer don't know exactly what to do
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 25, 2019 16:37:15 GMT -5
I played the Spring Valley course this week, I believe the name is "svcc_draft 02". Here is the website for the course with some info: www.springvalleyccgolf.com/course/Specifically this part: "Originally constructed in the 1920’s and open for play in 1926, Spring Valley CC (originally named “Our Country Club”) is one of the oldest in Southeast Wisconsin. Located just south of Salem WI and just north of Antioch, IL on route 83 it is a local favorite that, weather permitting, provides year round golf to the community. Though not Long at 6354 yards by modern standards, this par 70 course, thanks to the brilliant design of renowned architects, Langford and Moreau, offers a challenge to golfers of all skill levels. Purposely designed so the five par 3’s of various lengths, the three par 5’s, the long par 4’s and the drivable par 4 14th hole force even the single digit handicapper to use every club in the bag. The course architects, Langford and Moreau, built Spring Valley CC just before building what is believed to be their crowning achievement, Lawsonia CC, near Green Lake WI. Anyone who has played Lawsonia, ranked in the Top 100 public courses in the U.S. can see the similarities. Langford and Moreau builders of over 200 courses, mostly throughout the Midwest, believed that par should be protected near the green. Toward that end, the fairways are generous, the greens are multilayered and guarded by steep grass faced bunkers. Though the original plan called for 65 sand bunkers, the course’s first owner chose to leave them grass filled which has been honored to this day by the family that has owned the course since 1959." I played the course today, but if the pair of satellite maps I found of this course are correct, the course is definitely not a RCR at all. It offers the same routing of the real course and the correct order of the hole but, no counting the fact that is a par 69, while IRL is a par 70 (hole 2 should be a par 5) but it could be simply a publishing issue, the real course seems to have actually no bunkers at all and the fairways are way tighter than in game. Also the greens looks completely different. Furthermore there is not a tree, but I suppose this is just cause the course seems to be a beta.
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