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Post by booze2407 on Dec 9, 2019 17:08:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t play in real life but I’d definitely say it’s unrealistic...at least the way I use it in non-USE. I use slow backswings on the 1 iron and 2 wood (pausing at the top) as gap fillers...with the goal being to take like 30 yards off the carry lol. It’s a tough shot to pull off, but I totally see why it wouldn’t be allowed here and I’ve stopped doing it since the rule was added.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 17:14:12 GMT -5
Also in real golf if you slow your backswing down you lose your rhythm. There is a fantastic chapter in Faldo's Swing For Life book on the importance of rythym/tempo in his swing. Faldo has always been labeled as a mechanical golfer but he had great rythym and feel in his swing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 17:26:37 GMT -5
Also in real golf if you slow your backswing down you lose your rhythm. There is a fantastic chapter in Faldo's Swing For Life book on the importance of rythym/tempo in his swing. Faldo has always been labeled as a mechanical golfer but he had great rythym and feel in his swing. In comparison to your own tempo - as you can witness a number of different backswing tempos on long hitters (I like to point out Matsuyama that has the most consistent stop at the top of his backswing, but every golfer has a unique swing and tempo - and this is impossible to implement in a video game). When you are used to a certain tempo, you get consistent with that tempo - changing it is making it more inconsistent (it is quite hard to hit the clubface square to target in the first place). One of the reason that overswinging is risky. I know many golfers that try to hit a slow shot when they are in-between clubs, or overswing. The first is to deliberatly having less swing speed on the downswing - nothing to do with backswing. In my experience, this is very difficult to accomplish, and is very inconsistent. The better players use partial shots and get used to their carry on different partial with their clubs.
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Post by booze2407 on Dec 9, 2019 17:28:58 GMT -5
Had a good first round of -11. Started off hot but couldn’t get anything going on the back 9. Definitely should’ve been at least -12 though if not for missing a straight in 5 footer where I played it too break. So annoying! Missed another 5 footer but at least that one was a breaker. I recorded my round, it’s funny when i watch it back and I can clearly see when I’m playing too much break on my putts. It’s like...“why are you aiming there you idiot?!!” It’s long with how slow I play, but I’ll just post it anyway if someone is incredibly bored lol.
Second round was -7. Didn’t bother recording when I saw high wind lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 17:35:16 GMT -5
Also in real golf if you slow your backswing down you lose your rhythm. There is a fantastic chapter in Faldo's Swing For Life book on the importance of rythym/tempo in his swing. Faldo has always been labeled as a mechanical golfer but he had great rythym and feel in his swing. At least in comparison to your own tempo - as you can witness a number of different backswing tempos on long hitters (I like to point out Matsuyama that has the most consistent stop at the top of his backswing, but every golfer has a unique swing and tempo - and this is impossible to implement in a video game). When you are used to a certain tempo, you get consistent with that tempo - changing it is making it more inconsistent (it is quite hard to hit the clubface square to target in the first place). One of the reason that overswinging is risky. I know many golfers that try to hit a slow shot when they are in-between clubs, or overswing. The first is to deliberatly having less swing speed on the downswing - nothing to do with backswing. In my experience, this is very difficult to accomplish, and is very inconsistent. The better players use partial shots and get used to their carry on different partial with their clubs. Don't most golfers have different techniques and swing speeds not tempos. Where tempo is a ratio of backswing to downswing timings there is not that many different tempos in the game of golf. Is Matsuyama a 5:1? , I know most PGA TOUR Pros have a 3:1 and not as many have a 4:1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 17:44:31 GMT -5
Watched a swing analysis on Tiger a while back and he has the perfect 3 to 1 one ratio (downswing 3 times faster than backswing).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 17:56:36 GMT -5
At least in comparison to your own tempo - as you can witness a number of different backswing tempos on long hitters (I like to point out Matsuyama that has the most consistent stop at the top of his backswing, but every golfer has a unique swing and tempo - and this is impossible to implement in a video game). When you are used to a certain tempo, you get consistent with that tempo - changing it is making it more inconsistent (it is quite hard to hit the clubface square to target in the first place). One of the reason that overswinging is risky. I know many golfers that try to hit a slow shot when they are in-between clubs, or overswing. The first is to deliberatly having less swing speed on the downswing - nothing to do with backswing. In my experience, this is very difficult to accomplish, and is very inconsistent. The better players use partial shots and get used to their carry on different partial with their clubs. Don't most golfers have different techniques and swing speeds not tempos. Where tempo is a ratio of backswing to downswing timings there is not that many different tempos in the game of golf. Is Matsuyama a 5:1? , I know most PGA TOUR Pros have a 3:1 and not as many have a 4:1. There are as many swings and tempos as there are golfers in my view. I do however agree that most good golfers don't differ that much on tempo, and if you watch Matsuyama, he is not that slow up, but then he stops before he swings. There is actually practice drills you can use that stops at the top of the backswing to get the correct transition from backswing to downswing. Take a look at this for example: Important thing about tempo, is that when you get off tempo, you either hit the face open or closed to target and thus get side spin. How the ratio is, is not important as long as you get your club square on impact. So it is perfectly fine for me that the game implements one tempo for all.
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Post by LKeet6 on Dec 9, 2019 18:00:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t play in real life but I’d definitely say it’s unrealistic...at least the way I use it in non-USE. I use slow backswings on the 1 iron and 2 wood (pausing at the top) as gap fillers...with the goal being to take like 30 yards off the carry lol. It’s a tough shot to pull off, but I totally see why it wouldn’t be allowed here and I’ve stopped doing it since the rule was added. Just to repeat my feelings on it, as the topic has resurfaced, I always accepted it was unrealistic, but as it requires a lot of judgment still, I thought it was fair enough to "exploit" that game mechanic in game. I will admit, on short game, I can now see it is "overly" helpful. However, it was clear last time this came the vast majority don't want it. The community was asked, it was democratic, I'm always happy for what the majority wants to be what happens I've not really practiced much to be honest, but I'm back on tour. There's been a few shots where I've been punished BADLY for my lack of experience, but I've sorted my chipping pretty quickly, and it's not coming up that often that it's destroying my scoring...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:10:58 GMT -5
Don't most golfers have different techniques and swing speeds not tempos. Where tempo is a ratio of backswing to downswing timings there is not that many different tempos in the game of golf. Is Matsuyama a 5:1? , I know most PGA TOUR Pros have a 3:1 and not as many have a 4:1. There are as many swings and tempos as there are golfers in my view. I do however agree that most good golfers don't differ that much on tempo, and if you watch Matsuyama, he is not that slow up, but then he stops before he swings. There is actually practice drills you can use that stops at the top of the backswing to get the correct transition from backswing to downswing. Take a look at this for example: Important thing about tempo, is that when you get off tempo, you either hit the face open or closed to target and thus get side spin. How the ratio is, is not important as long as you get your club square on impact. So it is perfectly fine for me that the game implements one tempo for all. It's almost a waggle at the top of the swing, just crazy lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:20:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t play in real life but I’d definitely say it’s unrealistic...at least the way I use it in non-USE. I use slow backswings on the 1 iron and 2 wood (pausing at the top) as gap fillers...with the goal being to take like 30 yards off the carry lol. It’s a tough shot to pull off, but I totally see why it wouldn’t be allowed here and I’ve stopped doing it since the rule was added. Just to repeat my feelings on it, as the topic has resurfaced, I always accepted it was unrealistic, but as it requires a lot of judgment still, I thought it was fair enough to "exploit" that game mechanic in game. I will admit, on short game, I can now see it is "overly" helpful. However, it was clear last time this came the vast majority don't want it. The community was asked, it was democratic, I'm always happy for what the majority wants to be what happens I've not really practiced much to be honest, but I'm back on tour. There's been a few shots where I've been punished BADLY for my lack of experience, but I've sorted my chipping pretty quickly, and it's not coming up that often that it's destroying my scoring... Tbh Leon I never knew people used slow backswing for distance before Booze brought it up. I don't like to change things mid season but that was always about realism not about difficulty of pulling off the shot. Booze has adjusted quickly and you will too 😊
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Post by Ray on Dec 9, 2019 18:29:46 GMT -5
I’ve still never ‘practiced’ my chipping pitching or flopping. Don’t even know what the practice fairway looks like. I’ve always played just by feel and adjusting my backswing length to shorten them. I’m aware I lose shots but i like playing the game the way I play it. Even when loft box is allowed I only use it a little to add or remove a metre or two, which represents (to me) moving the ball back or forward a little.
I got sick of missing cuts in TST so went to Pro clubs there. I realise the tempo is pretty easy, but people have off tempo swings (on average) on XB with players about the same amount as the people playing Masters on PS4. If I’m going to have a disadvantage I’d rather it be distance than accuracy, which is why I do it. If we were on a level playing field I wouldn’t feel the need...
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Post by stoneysooner on Dec 9, 2019 18:30:05 GMT -5
Alright guys, just published BS Beta. Give it a try, and let me know what you think.
Interested in opinions as there is a lot going on with it. Haven't tried SIM settings or wind. Choose one of the back two tee sets with the second one in being the most fun and plenty difficult.
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Post by JosiaDB on Dec 9, 2019 18:33:36 GMT -5
Well, I'll admit, a lot of this is very confusing for me.
I just try to hit perfect/perfects all the time, except VERY RARELY when I I try to hit it fast or slow to intentionally make the ball go left or right around an obstacle or the direction of the dogleg.
Everything else I do involving tempo is purely unintentional.
My normal swing, that happens 90% of the time is fast, but the line is from left to right, but still in the blue. So it ends up going halfway straight. I still usually aim slightly right though, because sometimes I hit the line straight, but I hit fast a LOT, so I try to aim right.
Putting is the same way. 90% of the time I hit the ball it goes slightly left. So I always aim a few inches right of where I want it to actually go.
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Post by JosiaDB on Dec 9, 2019 18:35:22 GMT -5
Alright guys, just published BS Beta. Give it a try, and let me know what you think. Interested in opinions as there is a lot going on with it. Haven't tried SIM settings or wind. Choose one of the back two tee sets with the second one in being the most fun and plenty difficult. Is that what its called in game? BSBeta?
I'll give it a try later this evening!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 18:37:43 GMT -5
I’ve still never ‘practiced’ my chipping pitching or flopping. Don’t even know what the practice fairway looks like. I’ve always played just by feel and adjusting my backswing length to shorten them. I’m aware I lose shots but i like playing the game the way I play it. Even when loft box is allowed I only use it a little to add or remove a metre or two, which represents (to me) moving the ball back or forward a little. I got sick of missing cuts in TST so went to Pro clubs there. I realise the tempo is pretty easy, but people have off tempo swings (on average) on XB with players about the same amount as the people playing Masters on PS4. If I’m going to have a disadvantage I’d rather it be distance than accuracy, which is why I do it. If we were on a level playing field I wouldn’t feel the need... The beauty is the whole short game, not just the putting is feel for distance now. No loft box hugely makes the short game more realistic and not about fine tuning a loft bar for distance. USE short game is about feel.
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