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Post by fadgewacker on May 29, 2019 17:26:53 GMT -5
Was gonna go to the effort of getting a GIF for you on this one, but I can't be arsed, so here goes: I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. Just because you wrote it, doesn't make it true. Christ - a few posts above, after you crowed about playing short and wonky, you STILL had 45% of your drives in the same 2 slots on the charts. I'm not preaching - I understand how the game works, how the short swing works, and how the API works, and I find it very difficult to read and leave complete and utter garbage on the forums. Produce a round on Twitch, with all full lines, without the use of a script... If you get API'd, I'll do whatever you flicking want me to. I really don’t care what you believe, I knew you’d bite that’s what you do, I’ve had my evenings entertainment. You must be really bored sitting on this forum day in day out waiting for me to post keep up the good work!!! Nah mate, I’ve been supping ale and wine all day, on my holidays, just lapping it up 😂Cheers for the bait!Im having a great time 🎣 Right now, I’m enjoying myself with another beer. I have this thing next to me... a laptop... you might have heard of it. Every now and again I check it. The forum updates when people post. It’s a modern miracle. I’ll go to bed tonight, when alls said and done, drunk and happy. In the morning I’ll wake up and look forward to another day with my family, doing as little or as much as I like, all in the lap of luxury, safely reminded that you really are more than likely at least as ignorant as you appear. It’s the little things Liam. For everything else, there’s Barclaycard. Enjoy your fishing. It’s a tremendous sport. Maybe one day, you might learn something through it. Lots of Love Fadge PS - Still don’t believe you.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on May 29, 2019 17:31:23 GMT -5
I do take issue with the idea that I am lacking in transparency. I have always answered any questions I have been asked honestly. I uploaded videos of how I hold the controller and "swing" the stick so anyone else could try the same technique. I also try to go into the driving range forum and answer any general questions that are asked with my approach as well. I don't disappear from the forum or weekly threads when I've been pulled. I uploaded a video of my round 4. Youtube says it is still processing but I assume that doesn't take too long. The score sucks because I missed a 4 footer and botched both par 5s on the back. I'm sure the haters will find other things to hate on, have at it.
I know Mitch and Fadge and others are never going to get over idea that they are somehow clean and other guys are exploiters, the need to feel somehow superior is ingrained. In reality some people are just better at moving the stick straight back and forward than others and that will trigger the API metrics some times.
After this week I will take a break from the PGA Tour for a while, it's better for everyone if we stop rehashing the same argument each week and my presence is going to make it difficult to stop. It was great earning a win last week but not really fun to come in here and find people complaining about it.
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Post by CuseHokie on May 29, 2019 17:44:07 GMT -5
I do take issue with the idea that I am lacking in transparency. I have always answered any questions I have been asked honestly. I uploaded videos of how I hold the controller and "swing" the stick so anyone else could try the same technique. I also try to go into the driving range forum and answer any general questions that are asked with my approach as well. I don't disappear from the forum or weekly threads when I've been pulled. I uploaded a video of my round 4. Youtube says it is still processing but I assume that doesn't take too long. The score sucks because I missed a 4 footer and botched both par 5s on the back. I'm sure the haters will find other things to hate on, have at it.
I know Mitch and Fadge and others are never going to get over idea that they are somehow clean and other guys are exploiters, the need to feel somehow superior is ingrained. In reality some people are just better at moving the stick straight back and forward than others and that will trigger the API metrics some times.
After this week I will take a break from the PGA Tour for a while, it's better for everyone if we stop rehashing the same argument each week and my presence is going to make it difficult to stop. It was great earning a win last week but not really fun to come in here and find people complaining about it.
Thanks for showing a full round. So if I have this right, you took the time to actually record a real round, your swings seemingly all are full, you passed the API, and you didn’t perform to your level of expectation? That sounds like every round for the majority of us.
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Post by fadgewacker on May 29, 2019 17:44:27 GMT -5
I do take issue with the idea that I am lacking in transparency. I have always answered any questions I have been asked honestly. I uploaded videos of how I hold the controller and "swing" the stick so anyone else could try the same technique. I also try to go into the driving range forum and answer any general questions that are asked with my approach as well. I don't disappear from the forum or weekly threads when I've been pulled. I uploaded a video of my round 4. Youtube says it is still processing but I assume that doesn't take too long. The score sucks because I missed a 4 footer and botched both par 5s on the back. I'm sure the haters will find other things to hate on, have at it.
I know Mitch and Fadge and others are never going to get over idea that they are somehow clean and other guys are exploiters, the need to feel somehow superior is ingrained. In reality some people are just better at moving the stick straight back and forward than others and that will trigger the API metrics some times.
After this week I will take a break from the PGA Tour for a while, it's better for everyone if we stop rehashing the same argument each week and my presence is going to make it difficult to stop. It was great earning a win last week but not really fun to come in here and find people complaining about it.
No problem here Ben. No superiority complex either. I just find it hard to take certain garbage about certain subjects. The last thing you should be doing is considering leaving the tour - FWIW
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Post by SweetTeeBag on May 29, 2019 17:58:17 GMT -5
After making full swings and hitting the plastic last week and still being pulled, I decided this week to test a theory, I used a flick swing on every shot but intentionally didn’t swing straight And yet, 26 of 58 of your drives and approaches in these two rounds were in the same two bars on the chart. So you're intentionally trying not to hit straight but 45% of your shots rendered the exact same result. Fortunately for you, there were enough bad shots to trick the math this week. So almost half of his shots are in 2 bars and it fooled the API? But did it fool you? I mean "Eight is Enough"
On a side note I never finished Round 1 last week so think I should have 2 down red arrows. I see none. If you are looking for me I am at the bottom of the leaderboard this week too
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Post by donkeypuncherben on May 29, 2019 18:00:16 GMT -5
I do take issue with the idea that I am lacking in transparency. I have always answered any questions I have been asked honestly. I uploaded videos of how I hold the controller and "swing" the stick so anyone else could try the same technique. I also try to go into the driving range forum and answer any general questions that are asked with my approach as well. I don't disappear from the forum or weekly threads when I've been pulled. I uploaded a video of my round 4. Youtube says it is still processing but I assume that doesn't take too long. The score sucks because I missed a 4 footer and botched both par 5s on the back. I'm sure the haters will find other things to hate on, have at it.
I know Mitch and Fadge and others are never going to get over idea that they are somehow clean and other guys are exploiters, the need to feel somehow superior is ingrained. In reality some people are just better at moving the stick straight back and forward than others and that will trigger the API metrics some times.
After this week I will take a break from the PGA Tour for a while, it's better for everyone if we stop rehashing the same argument each week and my presence is going to make it difficult to stop. It was great earning a win last week but not really fun to come in here and find people complaining about it.
Thanks for showing a full round. So if I have this right, you took the time to actually record a real round, your swings seemingly all are full, you passed the API, and you didn’t perform to your level of expectation? That sounds like every round for the majority of us.
Mitch,
I promise you, I have never done a short line. I mean, I tried once on the driving range but was never able to execute it. They way I hold the controller it just doesn't work. Still, if I tried to do it, I could be about 75% certain to intentionally fail the API next week with full lines for every shot to prove a point, but I don't think this would satisfy you. If I take away the push driver swing and just try to hit it straight as possible each time I probably fail. But then you would then just go to my controller or something other reason that you think I have an unfair advantage, so why put in all that effort just to leave myself frustrated and in the same spot?
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Post by B.Smooth13 on May 29, 2019 18:03:30 GMT -5
I don’t believe this, nor the past number of weeks/months/a large part of this season on PGA, is what the TGCT founders envisioned to be the pinnacle of the system they’ve created. It certainly hasn’t been this way in every prior season. Maybe it’s time to rethink things, somehow, because clearly something is out of order, somewhere, which results in what we read here most weeks.
I don’t have answers, but this isn’t what it’s supposed to be.
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Post by fadgewacker on May 29, 2019 18:06:48 GMT -5
I don’t believe this, nor the past number of weeks/months/a large part of this season on PGA, is what the TGCT founders envisioned to be the pinnacle of the system they’ve created. It certainly hasn’t been this way in every prior season. Maybe it’s time to rethink things, somehow, because clearly something is out of order, somewhere, which results in what we read here most weeks. I don’t have answers, but this isn’t what it’s supposed to be. Fully agree. Edit - what I do think they envisioned, however, was a fair playing field, with equal opportunity. There’s so many issues this time with Xbox tempo, PC tempo to a point, PS4 “easy mode” and Christ alive, short swings... it’s almost an impossibility to police / enforce that. I take no pleasure in reading about people’s scores being removed. I’d much rather we had no DQ’s entirely.
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Post by Brighttail on May 29, 2019 18:29:33 GMT -5
I don’t believe this, nor the past number of weeks/months/a large part of this season on PGA, is what the TGCT founders envisioned to be the pinnacle of the system they’ve created. It certainly hasn’t been this way in every prior season. Maybe it’s time to rethink things, somehow, because clearly something is out of order, somewhere, which results in what we read here most weeks. I don’t have answers, but this isn’t what it’s supposed to be. I agree with you on this and it does sadden me. I must admit that I'm a bit disturbed that a person comes on here and says they knew their swing was too straight so they intentionally tried to hit the ball bad in order to pass the API, then an admin comes on and says 45 % of his shots were still too concentrated but the person did just enough 'intentional missing' to pass the API... This is okay? Is this the new standard we find ourselves in?
Personally I've felt that there are people who are trying to just skirt the API may be 'intentionally missing' swings to pass but I never thought I would see the day where a person out right admits to it and their scores aren't removed. The problem with the API and various controllers/mice is that the admin have no proof that someone is using a banned controller/mouse or that they are intentionally trying to manipulate the data. So without that proof the API has had to stand on its own as best as it can. But when someone comes right out and admits to it and the proof is there in black and white, are we to presume that as long as they pass the API it is still okay? What is the message that is being sent here? What is the message we as players should be taking away from this? Is the new standard we find ourselves in is to find the ways that just barely pass the API?
I'm with Smoothee here. This cannot be how the admin envisioned all of this. I get that HB really kicked the pooch on this version of TGC with the vast discrepancy between platforms and in allowing swings that doesn't even register all the time on their own provided API data. I also understand that the Admin here have to deal with the data they have in as fair and equitable manner in order to account for people sometime just have a great round or two and fail the API unintentionally, while dealing with those who are intentionally acting out of turn. What is the difference between Gemini/Alexandre who didn't admit to anything but obviously took advantage of the fact the admin wasn't counting short shots and someone who admits to intentionally missing shots to skirt the API? To me the intention is the same, shouldn't the consequences be as well?
To try and be proactive I'll ask one final question to the admin, what can we do as players to help them with these issues, other than b%& about it every week in and week out?
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Post by fadgewacker on May 29, 2019 18:41:36 GMT -5
I don’t believe this, nor the past number of weeks/months/a large part of this season on PGA, is what the TGCT founders envisioned to be the pinnacle of the system they’ve created. It certainly hasn’t been this way in every prior season. Maybe it’s time to rethink things, somehow, because clearly something is out of order, somewhere, which results in what we read here most weeks. I don’t have answers, but this isn’t what it’s supposed to be. I agree with you on this and it does sadden me. I must admit that I'm a bit disturbed that a person comes on here and says they knew their swing was too straight so they intentionally tried to hit the ball bad in order to pass the API, then an admin comes on and says 45 % of his shots were still too concentrated but the person did just enough 'intentional missing' to pass the API... This is okay? Is this the new standard we find ourselves in?
Personally I've felt that there are people who are trying to just skirt the API may be 'intentionally missing' swings to pass but I never thought I would see the day where a person out right admits to it and their scores aren't removed. The problem with the API and various controllers/mice is that the admin have no proof that someone is using a banned controller/mouse or that they are intentionally trying to manipulate the data. So without that proof the API has had to stand on its own as best as it can. But when someone comes right out and admits to it and the proof is there in black and white, are we to presume that as long as they pass the API it is still okay? What is the message that is being sent here? What is the message we as players should be taking away from this? Is the new standard we find ourselves in is to find the ways that just barely pass the API?
I'm with Smoothee here. This cannot be how the admin envisioned all of this. I get that HB really kicked the pooch on this version of TGC with the vast discrepancy between platforms and in allowing swings that doesn't even register all the time on their own provided API data. I also understand that the Admin here have to deal with the data they have in as fair and equitable manner in order to account for people sometime just have a great round or two and fail the API unintentionally, while dealing with those who are intentionally acting out of turn. What is the difference between Gemini/Alexandre who didn't admit to anything but obviously took advantage of the fact the admin wasn't counting short shots and someone who admits to intentionally missing shots to skirt the API? To me the intention is the same, shouldn't the consequences be as well?
To try and be proactive I'll ask one final question to the admin, what can we do as players to help them with these issues, other than b%& about it every week in and week out?
Great post Ron. Not a driver or DPI in sight 😉
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Post by Brighttail on May 29, 2019 19:18:27 GMT -5
Great post Ron. Not a driver or DPI in sight 😉 I'm sure there will be one day when I fail an API. I think everyone has it in them to shoot a round or two that is just too good for the current API but that is why I always try to have my mouse settings well above whatever line the API tracks so I'm not continuously skirting that line. I have enough problems with my game without having to add the consistent and unnecessary worry about "Is this line too straight" ?? Which is why I always advise all mouse users that come to me to use a DPI that HB suggests. Their suggestion has mostly proved to be pretty good in playing a game that is well within the acceptable range.
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Post by SmilingGoats on May 29, 2019 19:50:31 GMT -5
What he admitted to was intentionally trying to short swing but not straight. My point was that he was intentionally trying to hit crooked and short swing but still couldn't as 45% of his shots still registered just to the right of center (where all short swings seem to register).
I didn't read his post as he admittedly hit "just enough shots" to beat the API. I think he said quite the opposite. Am I misunderstanding?
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Post by Brighttail on May 29, 2019 20:40:58 GMT -5
After making full swings and hitting the plastic last week and still being pulled, I decided this week to test a theory, I used a flick swing on every shot but intentionally didn’t swing straight, and guess what no api pull, so it’s become obvious to me it doesn’t matter if you flick or full swing, as long as you don’t swing straight you’ll be fine, play well but not too well, swing straight but not too straight . So it’s pointless trying to perfect a straight swing as you will get pulled which is the point of the game, accuracy. No doubt the api police will disagree because if you swing straight you’re automatically a cheat. So off you go fine upstanding citizens of the community tell me how much of a cheating scum bag I am I’m past caring. Says that he used a flick swing on every shot but intentionally didn't swing straight. By the post, SmilingGoats it was absolutely a test of the API. He then says as long as you don't swing straight you'll be fine, which is obvious.
I look at this in the light that when I am going to test something to do with the API, I come to the Admin and do it another tournament other than the one we are playing, explain to you what I'm doing and the purpose. This way I'm not trying to trick the API or get away with anything and you are all are aware of the reasons when you pull the API.
I suppose you can read it that he was frustrated of getting scores pulled every week and wanted to try something new and shared his 'success' with the group. The problem is coming from someone who has had many rounds pulled for being too consistent or straight, when he starts using the words "intentionally didn't swing straight" and then "No API Pull" it raises a whole bunch of questions. The message I interpreted was "use a short swing and just don't hit it always straight and you'll be fine" which to me is the wrong message as it seems he is saying that he has some method of being able to hit the ball straight as an arrow all the time and can now 'intentionally miss" just to pass the API.
The problem is if he didn't mean to infer that he was trying to skirt the API, by the simple fact of him posting this message is going to cause havoc if in the next week or two he is suddenly atop the leader board with his new "intentionally missing" swing. That is how I'm reading it. I might be wrong but that is the meaning I got.
As a suggestion if someone is going to "try something new", they should be in contact with the admin to let them know what they are doing and perhaps they can test it out on another tour and get the feed back from the admin. After all, that is kinda what players are supposed to do anyway, use the Pulled API forum to discuss these things and figure out solutions, that hopefully don't effect actual tournaments in the tour which they are currently on.
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Post by GW_Hope on May 29, 2019 21:17:43 GMT -5
They should have kept the WT. A majority of the field would be Flickers. Then the PGA would be more standard. You get down in the 30s and things look legit.
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Post by Brighttail on May 29, 2019 21:32:40 GMT -5
They should have kept the WT. A majority of the field would be Flickers. Then the PGA would be more standard. You get down in the 30s and things look legit. WT was about the same size of the current PGA tour so it would still be the same issue. The different between the WT and this tour is the game itself, because of the huge discrepancy in platforms, the number of people that can truly compete consistently is less. There were several xbox/pc people consistently in the top 10 last year, even a certain mouse player occasionally made an appearance. Now it seems that it is now more the exception than the norm.
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