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Post by JosiaDB on Dec 3, 2018 13:33:21 GMT -5
That number, that is from 1 to 18, that ranks how hard the hole is supposed to be in relation to the other ones- Where does that come from?
As in, is it calculated based on as people play the course, the scores that each hole gets? Or is it something that the designer puts in, based on their own opinion?
I was just wondering, because I have many times that I see the ones rated 17 or 18, and think, this should be easy, and it is not, but the ones that are rated 1, sometimes I breeze through them.
A perfect example would be #15 on Felling waters, it was like 17 or 18, and I thought it was the hardest hole on the course.
Or do I have it backwards?
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Post by grinder12000 on Dec 3, 2018 16:05:02 GMT -5
From what I understand it's just sort of a made up number from yardage and so forth. Not really relevant to anything we really do. If you look at actual stats and the index number they are not really accurate at all.
Where do they come from? Nobody seems to have a valid answer
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 18:27:20 GMT -5
Hole index is how hard the hole plays determined by a set number of rounds by multiple players. Number 1 is the hardest hole on the course 18 is the easiest. You then use this number to handicap a round if you are playing with a handicap. For instance I am a 10 handicap IRL. So I get strokes on hole 1 through 10 rated by index.
Problem is the handicap system is broken because they don't separate tees or club type and mix them all together.
All that being said only thing it really means is which holes you should watch out for and maybe play conservative to avoid a blow up. On the other hand if you birdie let's say the number 1 handicap hole you are getting some strokes on the field.
I do think tgc tours has data on each hole played though and which ones are the hardest. Probably more accurate if you really care about it.
Hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:01:05 GMT -5
One thing I forgot to mention is if the course has one tee box then the HC and index would be more accurate.
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Post by grinder12000 on Dec 3, 2018 23:29:19 GMT -5
But they are not even close to being accurate. More joke-like in my view. The question is WHERE or WHO creates the system. I would bet it's auto generated with yardage and other course default attributes mixed in.
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Post by JosiaDB on Dec 3, 2018 23:49:14 GMT -5
But they are not even close to being accurate. More joke-like in my view. The question is WHERE or WHO creates the system. I would bet it's auto generated with yardage and other course default attributes mixed in.
Yes, that was my question, where is that number generated from? I would imagine on a real course, its set by those that designed the course, so I was wondering if it was put in by the designer, when they made the course, or if HB just generates it somehow after the fact.
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Post by ErixonStone on Dec 4, 2018 1:21:14 GMT -5
The game assigns it based on the recorded scores of players with a handicap.
Whether the game does it correctly is another matter, but the designer does not have any say.
Also, all the odd-index holes are on the front 9 and the even-index holes are on the back 9. So the #1 index hole isn't necessarily the hardest hole on the course; it's the hardest hole on the front nine.
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Post by linkslover on Dec 4, 2018 2:58:18 GMT -5
Indexes are subjective in real life anyway. The stroke index 2 on my home course is so because we have a lot of older members who can't hit the ball very far and there are two oak trees in the middle of the fairway (it's called "Twin Oaks"). With my power, I can hit over the trees and leave a short iron or even a wedge in. As long as I'm reasonably straight off the tee, it's a straight forward par the majority of the time for me. Yet stroke index 16 is a short par four that angles sharply right. As I draw the ball, this hole causes me all sorts of problems, especially as the River Trent borders the left hand side of the hole.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 8:58:09 GMT -5
Indexes are subjective in real life anyway. The stroke index 2 on my home course is so because we have a lot of older members who can't hit the ball very far and there are two oak trees in the middle of the fairway (it's called "Twin Oaks"). With my power, I can hit over the trees and leave a short iron or even a wedge in. As long as I'm reasonably straight off the tee, it's a straight forward par the majority of the time for me. Yet stroke index 16 is a short par four that angles sharply right. As I draw the ball, this hole causes me all sorts of problems, especially as the River Trent borders the left hand side of the hole. No doubt . I never said it was a great system. I am no fan of the USGA that is for sure. On my home course the hardest hole for the whites and blues is a 14 . Opposite reason you had. The gold's and reds tees are way up thus making the hole much easier. In this game if we had one tour tee box with Masters only on a solid RCR the index would probably be pretty accurate for the game. I think the HC system is great in theory but like anything else humans abuse it . Anyone who has played in a golf league can attest to that.
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