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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 12:47:17 GMT -5
As I'm light with the stick, the natural tightness of the mechanism keeps me straight.
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Post by blueorfe on Oct 10, 2018 15:28:44 GMT -5
What matters to us is the data we receive and when all other options are eliminated (3rd party controller etc) and only the partial swing remains then it's only fair to conclude it's a factor. Especially when some people in question test a full swing and produce results that pass fair play. My recommendation is to use this technique at your own risk. I don't use a technique, but since switching to a new controller, fairly often my line resembles that of the pictures posted by Chris, especially with the driver. The only thing that I am doing differently to before is swinging the controller more gently up to avoid fast down swings; still making the controller hit the plastic at 12 o'clock, but with less force.
My older controller started to stick about 20% into the backswing very often and reset itself, this became a chore so I bought a new official one from Amazon. A shame because when it was working perfectly, it felt great and I could give it a bit of a hit on the downswing without getting too many fasts - the line went to the top about 90% of the time with it. If I make that same motion with the new controller, I will more than likely get a fast downswing as it is way more sensitive, but the line will probably go to the top.
Now, I have no idea where I stand regarding the api with that new controller, but if it's a case of having to make sure you give it a hit to pass the api, then that would be a little silly. The way that the tempo works in TGC and the different sensitivity of new and worn controllers, this could become a real problem if players start failing the api because their through line doesn't reach the top, even though they've made a full swing, be that with a flick up, or a push.
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Post by Doyley on Oct 10, 2018 15:32:46 GMT -5
Now, I have no idea where I stand regarding the api with that new controller, but if it's a case of having to make sure you give it a hit to pass the api, then that would be a little silly. The way that the tempo works in TGC and the different sensitivity of new and worn controllers, this could become a real problem if players start failing the api because their through line doesn't reach the top, even though they've made a full swing, be that with a flick up, or a push.
Silly would be allowing people to use controllers/techniques that don't mimic the bulk of their peers. The metrics will be based on what the extreme majority of stock controllers are producing. Anyone getting flagged will be in the extreme minority. About as simple as I can state it.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Oct 10, 2018 15:39:11 GMT -5
LOL well...this will be fun...
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Post by SloanerTW on Oct 10, 2018 15:42:33 GMT -5
Only legends hit the top š
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Post by lessangster on Oct 10, 2018 15:45:14 GMT -5
Now, I have no idea where I stand regarding the api with that new controller, but if it's a case of having to make sure you give it a hit to pass the api, then that would be a little silly. The way that the tempo works in TGC and the different sensitivity of new and worn controllers, this could become a real problem if players start failing the api because their through line doesn't reach the top, even though they've made a full swing, be that with a flick up, or a push.
Silly would be allowing people to use controllers/techniques that don't mimic the bulk of their peers. The metrics will be based on what the extreme majority of stock controllers are producing. Anyone getting flagged will be in the extreme minority. About as simple as I can state it. Iām a lowly CC player if I get called out because of my technique even though Iām using a standard controller then so be it. I will just have to drop off the tours.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Oct 10, 2018 15:57:21 GMT -5
Haven't people already played the exibition events and been told they would have been DQ'd? Not sure why this is an issue then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:01:56 GMT -5
Seems like no more Gently Bentley, gonna have to P Push it real good!!!!
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Post by Doyley on Oct 10, 2018 16:04:56 GMT -5
Haven't people already played the exibition events and been told they would have been DQ'd? Not sure why this is an issue then. Mainly those who have inquired - not everyone is participating in the exhibition events - so we don't know where everyone will land. I'd say less than 2% of the people playing our events are in danger of being flagged. It's not going to be an issue for the majority of our members.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Oct 10, 2018 16:20:33 GMT -5
What matters to us is the data we receive and when all other options are eliminated (3rd party controller etc) and only the partial swing remains then it's only fair to conclude it's a factor. Especially when some people in question test a full swing and produce results that pass fair play. My recommendation is to use this technique at your own risk. By "technique" do you mean the partial swings? I am only assuming that a swing plane for a less than 100% stroke doesn't go all the way to the top. Seems that HB is actually encouraging the partial swing instead of using the heavy lofting. Can you clarify?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:25:11 GMT -5
Ive had that abbreviated swing in golf games since long before TGC1. A bit of a shame that I now have to worry about doing the same thing that I have done for a very long time, including during season 4 when I passed all API checks.
I don't fully understand why it's different now. The shot registers in game, but it can't give a readout because it doesn't travel far enough?
It has zero to do with a controller for me. Same technique for years and years. I can tell I have had it because I often have moments where I have to try my downswing more than once.
But gaming the system I am not. The way this is measured now has changed, not my technique. I don't even find this the same as those that used known controllers that fail API checks but they were unaware. That I understand is not on them until they are made aware.
Have some things to think about I guess.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Oct 10, 2018 16:28:16 GMT -5
Ive had that abbreviated swing in golf games since long before TGC1. A bit of a shame that I now have to worry about doing the same thing that I have done for a very long time, including during season 4 when I passed all API checks. I don't fully understand why it's different now. The shot registers in game, but it can't give a readout because it doesn't travel far enough? It has zero to do with a controller for me. Same technique for years and years. I can tell I have had it because I often have moments where I have to try my downswing more than once. But gaming the system I am not. The way this is measured now has changed, not my technique. I don't even find this the same as those that used known controllers that fail API checks but they were unaware. That I understand is not on them until they are made aware. Have some things to think about I guess. Curious, were you flagged in any of the EX events with these swings? If not, then you're probably good to go..
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Post by Doyley on Oct 10, 2018 16:30:30 GMT -5
We're referring to partial downswings (not backswings). People are stopping shortly after passing the center position - likely limiting the amount of data given for the downswing. The end result can be enough to trigger fair play in some cases. Which is why we say use that technique at your own risk should you be using it.
There are many other variables at play too - and while we always want to take everyone at face value and trust they're telling us the truth this is the internet and there are always exceptions to every case. So our metrics will be fair and firm - again, the extreme majority 98%+ will have nothing to worry about.
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 10, 2018 17:43:11 GMT -5
I flick the thumbstick forward rather than push it. It's a technique I developed in TGC2.
I imagine that many players are doing this -- much more than the 2% figure that Doyley is saying might be flagged.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 0:09:37 GMT -5
The way this is measured now has changed, not my technique. . Have to agree here, the shortened feedback line is a new phenomenon with TGC2019, while flicky downswings have always been around. Based on the poll, more than half the respondents said they have abbreviated downswings at least some of the time (I have them on putts regularly but almost never on full swings). But Doyley reckons no more than 2% would be affected, so who knows what's going on. Btw I know the average age on these forums is 108 or whatever, but if you old dogs are willing to learn a new trick and want a safe way round this, I can't recommend the chess piece hold strongly enough. Not only is it superior because you can watch the stick and ensure as straight an up and down motion as possible, but because you're holding on to it more assuredly with forefinger and opposing thumb, it's extremely rare for it to slip and produce a flick. My stick always forcefully bangs the top of the stick-hole as it thrusts upwards, in fact I like to imagine the controller saying "yes, harder daddy" which motivates me even more to produce a full downswing motion.
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