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Post by HeMan1202 on Nov 14, 2016 8:13:57 GMT -5
Went to enter my scores and something did not look correct so I backed away.. When I completed my round 1 shot -3 ..67 and round 2 -7.. 63.. That means par for the course was 70... When I went to enter my first round 67 it showed I was 4 under.. That means par on the scorecard is 71.. Can someone verify this please.. Doyley Thx for heads up - I've switched it to 70. Stuff like this happens when designers submit course to site in their original state then adjust for tournaments after they get word it's been selected - easy to slip through the cracks but good to catch early in the submission process. It wasn't early enough. I submit my scores based on my under par score. I shot a -7 in round one and -10 in round two. I made sure my scores showed -7 and -10 before I hit submit. I was even on the leaderboard at -7, then I wake up and I am -6. Hopefully there is an easy manual adjustment for this.
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Post by CongoGB on Nov 14, 2016 8:14:08 GMT -5
I've given up moaning in the Euro threads as it seems to me like moans generally get palmed off with a "haha", "lol", or "why don't you volunteer then?"
FWIW, I'm in agreement with a lot of what Shane has said, but I'll just go back to putting a "Like" next to the posts I agree with as I don't like my moans getting patronised.
The game itself hasn't lost its "fun" for me in any way, but the tour is on it's last reserves. TGC2 will hopefully give it a top-up.
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Post by Doyley on Nov 14, 2016 8:24:00 GMT -5
Thx for heads up - I've switched it to 70. Stuff like this happens when designers submit course to site in their original state then adjust for tournaments after they get word it's been selected - easy to slip through the cracks but good to catch early in the submission process. It wasn't early enough. I submit my scores based on my under par score. I shot a -7 in round one and -10 in round two. I made sure my scores showed -7 and -10 before I hit submit. I was even on the leaderboard at -7, then I wake up and I am -6. Hopefully there is an easy manual adjustment for this. Never do that. Always submit strokes taken. If par is wrong your scores will adjust when we correct par. I'll fix them when I get up.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 14, 2016 8:54:26 GMT -5
The minority? Everyone that's posted has complained about the pins? Players crossover because of the pins. I know how the system works and I could bring stuff I've seen over there in here but that's not correct or fair. It's unrealistic for you to check everything granted but look at the field size for PGA and the field for Euro. Why is that? Anyway I will play the 4 rounds this week and give you constructive feed back on it and actually I'll do it every week to help you. And it's not anger it's frustration that your reading Whatever it is Moe I can hear the tone and it's not cool, and you should against all know better, a PM wouldn't have gone astray so your furore didnt carry on and and continue to I might add, ha But seriously, I've worked numerous Customer Service roles and the one rule in service is that 1 person with bad service tells everyone (100%) and 1 person with good service tells of their experience 10% of the time, I'm not sure of the % of Euro Tour members that actively post/use the forums but if hazard a guess just by seeing the same 20-30 people post regularly that it's pretty low and then factor in the bad selection/approval with regard to some pins (which I'm fine with on the number 1 tour in TGCT #statsdontliePGA) and for sure the thread becomes negative but no need to go awol! And you did, along with Christopher. You don't need to play devils advocate Shane! It didn't help that the 2nd post was Smurfs shot of that pin and that yardage, haha, thanks for the stitch up smurfblade88Why didn't I pm you rod? Because anytime I or anyone else has questioned a pin you say "it's for Euro they can handle it" or something close to that. I would be surprised if rangers even flag you pins (pun intended) anymore because you just bat them off like my neighbors jack Russel . And reading from the customer service handbook is hilarious mate obviously you don't know my background! And if people stop coming to your shop and all you hear is negative comments maybe it's something internal! Here's one from your manual "the customer is always right" .
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Post by smurfblade88 on Nov 14, 2016 9:21:10 GMT -5
Whatever it is Moe I can hear the tone and it's not cool, and you should against all know better, a PM wouldn't have gone astray so your furore didnt carry on and and continue to I might add, ha But seriously, I've worked numerous Customer Service roles and the one rule in service is that 1 person with bad service tells everyone (100%) and 1 person with good service tells of their experience 10% of the time, I'm not sure of the % of Euro Tour members that actively post/use the forums but if hazard a guess just by seeing the same 20-30 people post regularly that it's pretty low and then factor in the bad selection/approval with regard to some pins (which I'm fine with on the number 1 tour in TGCT #statsdontliePGA) and for sure the thread becomes negative but no need to go awol! And you did, along with Christopher. You don't need to play devils advocate Shane! It didn't help that the 2nd post was Smurfs shot of that pin and that yardage, haha, thanks for the stitch up smurfblade88Why didn't I pm you rod? Because anytime I or anyone else has questioned a pin you say "it's for Euro they can handle it" or something close to that. I would be surprised if rangers even flag you pins (pun intended) anymore because you just bat them off like my neighbors jack Russel . And reading from the customer service handbook is hilarious mate obviously you don't know my background! And if people stop coming to your shop and all you hear is negative comments maybe it's something internal! Here's one from your manual "the customer is always right" .
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 14, 2016 9:30:29 GMT -5
This whole, "make our very small group of people happy or we'll complain for pages and pages and pages thing?". Seen it before. Know how it ends.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Nov 14, 2016 9:36:11 GMT -5
This whole, "make our very small group of people happy or we'll complain for pages and pages and pages thing?". Seen it before. Know how it ends. I'm not sure it's that small of a group. While I don't agree with continual bashing, I do agree the pins were pretty bad and "I am a volunteer so I get a pass from criticism" is not valid.
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 14, 2016 9:42:04 GMT -5
This whole, "make our very small group of people happy or we'll complain for pages and pages and pages thing?". Seen it before. Know how it ends. I'm not sure it's that small of a group. While I don't agree with continual bashing, I do agree the pins were pretty bad and "I am a volunteer so I get a pass from criticism" is not valid. And it's the continual bashing that doesn't need to go on. It's a small group doing that. I would say 90% of people have made their comments on the course (i.e. "not set up well" to "set up appallingly")...but have done so once, and never in mean spirit. To say "I would prefer not to play with illegal pins" is fair. To make a person feel like sh!t and question their dedication to a free site, is ridiculous. I'm not going to ask anyone to volunteer, but come on people, have your say and move on.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 14, 2016 11:01:50 GMT -5
Why didn't I pm you rod? Because anytime I or anyone else has questioned a pin you say "it's for Euro they can handle it" or something close to that. I would be surprised if rangers even flag you pins (pun intended) anymore because you just bat them off like my neighbors jack Russel . And reading from the customer service handbook is hilarious mate obviously you don't know my background! And if people stop coming to your shop and all you hear is negative comments maybe it's something internal! Here's one from your manual "the customer is always right" . Beaut
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 14, 2016 11:14:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's that small of a group. While I don't agree with continual bashing, I do agree the pins were pretty bad and "I am a volunteer so I get a pass from criticism" is not valid. And it's the continual bashing that doesn't need to go on. It's a small group doing that. I would say 90% of people have made their comments on the course (i.e. "not set up well" to "set up appallingly")...but have done so once, and never in mean spirit. To say "I would prefer not to play with illegal pins" is fair. To make a person feel like sh!t and question their dedication to a free site, is ridiculous. I'm not going to ask anyone to volunteer, but come on people, have your say and move on. Right had another post wrote I will do this the correct way and let yous know how i get on
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Post by Airik3333 on Nov 14, 2016 11:32:02 GMT -5
Everybody wants a variety of conditions and challenges - until they get one they don't like The rule all schedulers have gone with is 4 yards from edge of green and no yellow or red in 9 boxes 1.5m radius. So your saying that that's rubbish?? It's obvious the shot to play here but the smart sh%$ is to miss short and chip with a lofted 9 iron or PW. This is neither fun fair or realistic the same things the non firm rule was aimed at doing! I thought that 4 yard rule was for CC only.. It makes sense for CC.. Euro guys are the best in the game so designers should be able to place pins wherever they want as long as it's on the green and not in the red
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Post by dh-nufc on Nov 14, 2016 11:34:09 GMT -5
The rule all schedulers have gone with is 4 yards from edge of green and no yellow or red in 9 boxes 1.5m radius. So your saying that that's rubbish?? It's obvious the shot to play here but the smart sh%$ is to miss short and chip with a lofted 9 iron or PW. This is neither fun fair or realistic the same things the non firm rule was aimed at doing! I thought that 4 yard rule was for CC only.. It makes sense for CC.. Euro guys are the best in the game so designers should be able to place pins wherever they want as long as it's on the green and not in the red For me the 4 yard rule isn't about making it more difficult; it's about limiting easy chip ins.
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Post by Doyley on Nov 14, 2016 11:40:46 GMT -5
The rule all schedulers have gone with is 4 yards from edge of green and no yellow or red in 9 boxes 1.5m radius. So your saying that that's rubbish?? It's obvious the shot to play here but the smart sh%$ is to miss short and chip with a lofted 9 iron or PW. This is neither fun fair or realistic the same things the non firm rule was aimed at doing! I thought that 4 yard rule was for CC only.. It makes sense for CC.. Euro guys are the best in the game so designers should be able to place pins wherever they want as long as it's on the green and not in the red I responded to a PM (thanks for PM'ing!) to Moe with a similar thought - I'll paraphrase here too. The rules for pins are guidelines - which I'm more concerned the CC guys follow those guidelines closely than the PGA/Euro schedulers. CC players are still learning the game and haven't mastered all the shot types available. PGA/Euro players have mastered the normal shots and should at least have a few tricks up their sleeves for tougher pins. On medium greens pretty much any pin can be birdied in the PGA/Euro tours - obviously we'd like to keep them off the severe slopes but tucked is not a deal breaker. This week is just testing a different skill set than weeks w/ no tucked pins - gameplan and distance putting get pushed to the front - landing 4-5 yards before the hole and tapping in the putt for 72 holes isn't going to work as well this week.
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 14, 2016 11:41:38 GMT -5
And it's the continual bashing that doesn't need to go on. It's a small group doing that. I would say 90% of people have made their comments on the course (i.e. "not set up well" to "set up appallingly")...but have done so once, and never in mean spirit. To say "I would prefer not to play with illegal pins" is fair. To make a person feel like sh!t and question their dedication to a free site, is ridiculous. I'm not going to ask anyone to volunteer, but come on people, have your say and move on. Right had another post wrote I will do this the correct way and let yous know how i get on This, I am interested in. Not sure if there is any system to deal with formal course complaints or not, but it'd be something to look into if not. I also feel like some sort of poll should be created to see what kind of conditions players actually want on the pro tours. Seems like no matter what, it's always wrong, lol. Can't remember a stretch of 4 weeks in a row with forum harmony when it comes to course conditions.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 14, 2016 12:05:58 GMT -5
Right had another post wrote I will do this the correct way and let yous know how i get on This, I am interested in. Not sure if there is any system to deal with formal course complaints or not, but it'd be something to look into if not. I also feel like some sort of poll should be created to see what kind of conditions players actually want on the pro tours. Seems like no matter what, it's always wrong, lol. Can't remember a stretch of 4 weeks in a row with forum harmony when it comes to course conditions. Just have the pins 4 yards from edge of green and no yellow red lines in 1.5m radius 9 box rule . 6-8 yards on firm (depends on club in) Green speed 150+ Firmness dont give a sh%$. Not asking for much and that's what was pretty much agreed bar the green speed thats personal so gaurenteed we will have a 101 set up soon now
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