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Post by jacobkessler on Nov 1, 2016 20:10:40 GMT -5
I'm running for president and voting for myself.
Lol just kidding. I'm leaning towards Clinton. I'll take her experience in politics over trump's money.
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Post by tastegw on Nov 1, 2016 20:59:15 GMT -5
Disgusting ^
Experience in being corrupt and getting away with it is not a vote worthy characteristic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 21:11:57 GMT -5
The fact that these are the 2 candidates we have to vote for makes this election cycle a complete joke. My vote is being based on Supreme Court nominations...as that is the MOST power outside of commander-in-chief a president has anyways.
Being a constitutionalist it's not hard to guess where my vote is going....
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 1, 2016 22:59:42 GMT -5
If there is one thing that all these Wikileaks dump of Podesta's email is that we are seeing the underbelly of politics. It is a game that the elite folks of the party play to keep themselves in power, enrich themselves and the lengths they will go to to protect their allies while destroying their opponents. We have seen when Hillary's email scandal first came to light, the Clinton camp was at first thinking that it would all blow over and to simply ignore it.
When that turned out not to be the case and suddenly Congress was issuing a subpoena for the emails, we saw the Clinton camp implode with fear. The people of Clinton's inner circle, like Robbie Mook and John Podesta, realized that they had no clue about the email server and that in fact there was a tighter and even more inner circle that they weren't a part of. The people who were the closest to Hillary, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin were panicking because there were emails from President Obama on Hillary's Private emails server and that Obama had been sending/receiving emails to a NON-state.gov address. There was talk about how and whether to comply with the Congressional subpoena. There were conversations of how to react, what to release, when to release and what to destroy or withhold. And that is just the email scandal.
We see the lines blurred with the FBI, DOJ, State, the White House and the Clinton camp. Turns out the guy from the DOJ who was in charge of investigating Hillary's emails, was a lawyer who petitioned strongly John Podesta to get his client Marc Rich pardoned by Bill Clinton back when Bill was leaving office. From that time on, this DOJ guy became good friends with Podesta and the Clintons, even having dinner with John Podesta several times during the investigation into Hillary's server, and yet, never divulged this relationship.
So we see how a guy who got a pardon for his client comes back 20+ years later to help the very people who helped him. All this and I haven't even gotten into the blurred lines with the Clinton Foundation.
To be sure whoever wins on Nov 8, they will be a President with the lowest approval numbers entering office in the history of the United States. Regardless who wins, the majority of the country will consider their Presidency as illegitimate.
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Post by tastegw on Nov 2, 2016 0:27:48 GMT -5
Can somebody answer this for me:
FBI issues a subpoena for my computer (for too much awesomesauce), and before giving it to them I whipe it clean (with a rag? Hilary asks).
Too much awesomesauce is illegal, should I go to jail for breaking the law, tampering with the evidence?
What if my friend Don Shlong whom I shared awesomesauce with also had his computer seized, and was proven the awesomesauce was indeed shared, now we are both busted for breaking multiple laws, because we both sworn there was nothing to be found months earlier. Should we both go to jail?
Or are you idiots going to continue to vote for me even after its a fact that I have both broken the law and tried to cover it up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 2:55:06 GMT -5
Can someone answer this for me:
I have not apologized for making racist, sexist, or borderline criminal statements.
Too much head up my own ass and my own beliefs to care if it is credible. Should I go to jail for making statements with overtones to shoot the other candidate?
What if my friend David Duke was a KKK member and endorses me? What if I have proven I am a chauvinist with my multiple statements and actions? Should I go to jail or just continue as a presidential candidate?
Or are you idiots going to vote for me even after its a fact that I have no qualifications to be the President AND am a poison pill to BOTH the Democratic AND Republican parties?
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Post by mrooola on Nov 2, 2016 3:03:00 GMT -5
Can someone answer this for me: I have not apologized for making racist, sexist, or borderline criminal statements. Too much head up my own ass and my own beliefs to care if it is credible. Should I go to jail for making statements with overtones to shoot the other candidate? What if my friend David Duke was a KKK member and endorses me? What if I have proven I am a chauvinist with my multiple statements and actions? Should I go to jail or just continue as a presidential candidate? Or are you idiots going to vote for me even after its a fact that I have no qualifications to be the President AND am a poison pill to BOTH the Democratic AND Republican parties? I like you Bob
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Post by jacobkessler on Nov 2, 2016 8:22:32 GMT -5
I'll say this:
I respect both candidates equally. That doesn't mean that I like them. It just means that I hate them both just as much.
Clinton is trying to hide the emails, while Trump is immature, making fun of a disabled reporter.
For me, it just comes down to what I believe is better for this country.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Nov 2, 2016 9:23:27 GMT -5
#InTrumpWeTrust #InHillaryWeRust
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 2, 2016 9:44:34 GMT -5
#InTrumpWeTrust #InHillaryWeRust Hahaha.
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 2, 2016 10:14:18 GMT -5
For me it boils down to what we know. We know Hillary's history 100%. We know how she has run her campaigns, we know how she has run her State Dept and we know how she has run her foundation. Each one has been mired in controversy, legal battles and investigations. Therefore a President Clinton I would assume would be run the same way. She would do nothing that didn't benefit her and/or her friends first. She would want to be a legacy President, building a historic legacy regardless of who it hurts.
Trump wants the prize. He wants to show that an outsider, with no political experience can run and win, something that goes against about 200 years of precedent. I can imagine if Trump was elected, he would do some big things like repeal Obamacare, reverse some of Obama's Executive orders and kill TPP. Those are the thins he will be cheered for by many. The problem is, I don't think Trump really wants to be President. He doesn't want to go around making the necessary speeches or deal with other foreign leaders over seating arrangements at some peace accord. He wants the title without wanting to do the job. He will also find, like Obama (remember Hope and Change?) that Washington doesn't bend to any President. It is gridlock and you have to fight for everything you want because there is always someone out there that doesn't want what you want. Honestly I think he'd resign within 2 years if he won.
That being said when you think of past Presidents, we have had womanizers, biggots, racists and criminals hold the top job in the past. Both are poor choices, so in the end I think you have to pick the one that you believe will make the best choices that will help you. For me it is Supreme Court Justice pick, reducing taxes on the middle class & businesses and finally fixing Obamacare, whether that is to repeal and replace or to just fix it.
Oh and I would rather have a President who is an idiot surrounded by people who know what they are doing to help the idiot learn, than a President who lied, cheated and stole everything to ensure she got the nomination and everything she has done in her life up to this point has been one act or another that skirts if not crosses several legal and ethical lines. She will surround herself with 'yes' men and women who will enable her to make the Presidency and office up for sale, bribery and blackmail.
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Post by adamhill413 on Nov 2, 2016 14:36:24 GMT -5
Nicola Sturgeon. Not technically running but that shouldn't matter.
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Post by timeracer on Nov 2, 2016 15:35:15 GMT -5
I am and remain a Ben Carson supporter. Think we as a country missed a chance to have the most honest and noble man to grace our national politics in decades as our president. Whatever your beliefs, you know the country is hurting. A good doctor who has spent his life curing and healing some of the most complex problems a human can have was just what we need.
I am, as Dr. Carson is, supporting Donald Trump for president. I have plenty of misgivings about him personally. But more so than any election I've participated in this is a election about selecting the least of two evils.
Donald Trumps evil pares in comparison to the lifetime record of pure evil Hillary has displayed. And now we're learning just how deep and widespread her corruption is. If I was a democrat, I would be embarrassed that the party leadership backs her unconditionally, to the point of rigging the election against Bernie.
Beyond the politics of it I look at it this way. We know what Hillary will bring. More of the same of the last eight years that has seen no economic growth. More taxes, more spending, more problems.
Trump is a wild card we don't know. He could fail miserably. But at least we have the possibility of a economy that grows. Reworking US industry killing trade deals, replacing Obamacare and lowering corporate tax rates to again make America a destination for business and capital spending, rather than a place businesses are trying to escape would be a good start.
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 2, 2016 16:32:13 GMT -5
Anyone who says they know more about ISIS than our Generals or believes he can teach a retired General "a thing or two" is a bordeline insane.
There is no way in hell that an aristocratic billionaire who lives in a gold and marble penthouse overlooking NYC, rips off contractors and doesn't pay taxes via loopholes, has zero understanding of the Constitution and promotes a ZERO revenue / HIGH debt agenda should even come close to leading this country.
Pure lunacy if there are that many people who will vote for THAT.
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Post by reebdoog on Nov 2, 2016 18:06:53 GMT -5
All I'll say is that Hillary Clinton could be a bad president and she's a crook. However we've had crooks and bad presidents as leaders of the free world before. The nice thing is there are checks and balances in place to keep them from doing too much damage. Donald Trump is an entirely different commodity. He's the most fragile and petulant guy I've ever seen and he actually BELIEVES that he's awesome because he gets rid of anyone that tells him otherwise.
Let's face it... the whitehouse can give a direction and proposals but it still needs the rest of the government to come along for the ride. One of the biggest things the president does is talk to the rest of the world for us. Both of these folks worry me in that regard...but Trump worries me more.
I don't know... right now I don't care if he a jerk or a pig or whatever... but he reminds me a GREAT deal of other leaders that I will not name. You can probably figure out who they are though. They also wanted only good news or they would "fire" people. They wanted to know that they were the greatest and that their military was the greatest and they wanted it so badly that the actual reports on their desk were lies...lies that they believed and that caused them to think they were invincible. There's one out there right now that acts this way... Donal Trump kind of reminds me of that mindset.
I can put up with a bad president as I have before and will again. I'm just not sure if we can handle some of the possibilities that I see from Trump that I don't see from HC. And this is coming from someone that has voted republican the VAST majority of the time.
Comes down to this for me though. We are all adults. Vote for anyone you like. Won't change my opinion of anyone as a person. :-) It all generally works itself out in the end (not the first doomsday election I've seen)
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