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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 11:06:44 GMT -5
It's not lost on most of us it's the top guys complaining about this potential change just like D said. Mr.Sweeny take a moment to think what it's like for the rest of the tour to watch you win over/over/over. Not fun! Keep in mind it's a game and I can already hear you say, "get better". This change is about the group. It's about the group...it's about the group...it's about the group. but I can only play 1 event so if I won the euro you could of won the pga how am I stopping your fun? |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 11:07:54 GMT -5
It's not lost on most of us it's the top guys complaining about this potential change just like D said. Mr.Sweeny take a moment to think what it's like for the rest of the tour to watch you win over/over/over. Not fun! Keep in mind it's a game and I can already hear you say, "get better". This change is about the group. It's about the group...it's about the group...it's about the group. Would u settle for a participation trophy every week then? New saying: If you cant beat them, box them off in their own little league so I dont have to. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:08:33 GMT -5
It's not lost on most of us it's the top guys complaining about this potential change just like D said. Mr.Sweeny take a moment to think what it's like for the rest of the tour to watch you win over/over/over. Not fun! Keep in mind it's a game and I can already hear you say, "get better". This change is about the group. It's about the group...it's about the group...it's about the group. Except, most of the people who have said it's a bad idea never win either...... I thinks its a bad idea and I never win. But my point is rooted in geographics. I live where I do, therefore I feel I should compete against mostly PGa players who live in the UDA (I understand those that live elsewhere and commit to the PGA). |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 11:08:48 GMT -5
so you think all of them 170 will compete for a win?
I don't think they will what about the people who are only just making the cut on the tour underneath because imo it will still be the same 20 competing for the win not all 170 so should we split that up until we get 60-70 in each tour? If we just go strictly by WGR for simplicity sake - take the top 60 WGR out Regis Fretto,Jimmy Kuo,Tony McGettigan,Patrick Gardner,Tim Kunick,Roger Claxton,Doug Bostwick,Roddy MacDougall,Derek Stupak,Chris Mather,Bryan Turnbow,Pavel Kuncicky,Brad Palm,Mike Buchanan,Clint Carlson,Paul Fernihough,Justin Lovett,Chris Hrabec,Andrew Sikorski,Nate Sooter,Rob Foyster,Tom Witterstaetter,Vijay Benakal,Andrew Kaleta,Andrew Greet,Dean Lowdon,Ed Davies,Lou Avenatti,Michael de Jonge,Rick Wilson,Marc Foley,Stian Svennebye,Dennis Paisley,Jason Schwartz,Bruno de Thysebaert,Scott Wildman,Daniel Blanton,Brionne Beaumont-Thomas,Kenny Woolley,Fabrizio Donadoni,Tom Jones,Christopher Donahue,Jared Nicholson,Matt Geddes,Jamie Fluke,Glen Henderson,Michael Martin,Oliver Haas,Ian Dick,David Brown,Chris Barson,Ronny Akesson,Clark Gibson,Euan Christie,Colin Greenshields,Terence Washington,John Yates,J.D. Turner,Mark Russell,Fergus McDonald,Rick Rigoni,Colin Busch,James Yates,Nathan Bedell,Gavin McCabe,Darcy Greenwood,Stian Hansen,Jeff Kincaid,Patrick Lawless,Scott Travers,Rog Laplante,Jason Uhrinek,Oliver Radakovitz,James LeBlond,Jeff Reese,Phil Kelley,Stephen Thompson,Steven Smyth,Stephen Nesbit,Matt Olsonoski,Dan Elgin,Phil Cichero,Ratna Syamsuhir I think that is a much more competitive event. So yea, from 60 on down I think the amount of people that could win would bump up from 5% to 50%. |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 11:12:06 GMT -5
Now the other option that was presented - PGA 1 Euro 2 Web 3...would you Euro players accept that order and be willing to move to North America for your golf if that was where the best WGR points were available? That would also balance out the tours - just not as drastically as skimming 70 of the best.
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 11:12:40 GMT -5
so you think all of them 170 will compete for a win?
I don't think they will what about the people who are only just making the cut on the tour underneath because imo it will still be the same 20 competing for the win not all 170 so should we split that up until we get 60-70 in each tour? If we just go strictly by WGR for simplicity sake - take the top 60 WGR out Regis Fretto, Ratna Syamsuhir if these are two your trying to make happy than I don't know what to say |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 11:13:30 GMT -5
If we just go strictly by WGR for simplicity sake - take the top 60 WGR out Regis Fretto, Ratna Syamsuhir if these are two your trying to make happy than I don't know what to say dude, there are 1000's of members. Cherry picking two suspect ones is pretty easy to do here. The easy answer to that would be to go through the 100's that I am trying to make happy but I don't want to do that because that's much more work than you just had to do to copy/paste 2 names  |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 15, 2016 11:14:05 GMT -5
There are some players in that list that are significantly better than their WGR....
There would still be an "elite" within the B level. Perhaps not as bad because of the Sweeney factor - but it would still exist IMO
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 11:14:29 GMT -5
Now the other option that was presented - PGA 1 Euro 2 Web 3...would you Euro players accept that order and be willing to move to North America for your golf if that was where the best WGR points were available? That would also balance out the tours - just not as drastically as skimming 70 of the best. would the pga players accept moving to Europe because 3 of the top 4 in the world play there? |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 11:15:21 GMT -5
if these are two your trying to make happy than I don't know what to say dude, there are 1000's of members. Cherry picking two suspect ones is pretty easy to do here. The easy answer to that would be to go through the 100's that I am trying to make happy but I don't want to do that because that's much more work than you just had to do to copy/paste 2 names Couldn't resist |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 11:15:52 GMT -5
Now the other option that was presented - PGA 1 Euro 2 Web 3...would you Euro players accept that order and be willing to move to North America for your golf if that was where the best WGR points were available? That would also balance out the tours - just not as drastically as skimming 70 of the best. would the pga players accept moving to Europe because 3 of the top 4 in the world play there? no, we would be mimicking the real life tours and most of the top WGR play on the PGA - so again, would you be willing to move across the ocean? |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Sept 15, 2016 11:18:29 GMT -5
I skim read most of this been honest but this is my 2 cents as WGR350ish and hopefully going to earn a Euro Card Via play-off. I've been playing for 15 months I think and the only thing keeping me playing (yes i know im taking a break after the playoffs) is the fact that next season unless I have a mare in the playoffs I will be playing against the best. I honestly don't care if I get my ass whipped by Sweeney, Cairnsy, Smurf , Garcia etc. Week in week out I set my goal at keeping my card qualifying for Majors breaking the top 100 and competing against the McDonald Sisters. If this elite tour kicks in guess what I will actually give up playing as its effectively like TGCT has moved the goal posts half way thru the game. "You only get better by playing a better opponent" Winning means sh%$ to me its the competetion and the enjoyment that keeps me coming back and will make me come back after a few weeks off. Also if nantez88 or Chaoz gets dropped to Web over inactivity you'll have a war on your hands next season haha. The 2 lads are way to good for web IMO. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 11:19:35 GMT -5
would the pga players accept moving to Europe because 3 of the top 4 in the world play there? no, we would be mimicking the real life tours and most of the top WGR play on the PGA - so again, would you be willing to move across the ocean? but making an elite tour is hardly mimicking the real life tours, cant remember them in 2000 all the pga players leaving America because tiger won everything or making a participation tour so everyone could win
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Post by jarednich on Sept 15, 2016 11:21:16 GMT -5
If wagtunes is against this then I'm for it. (not joking)
I currently sit around 100. (108 and trending upward most of this year) I am just starting to have some decent competitive finishes on the Euro tour. I am a pretty good player, but not elite.
I like the idea of this tour, if only because it will give me one more thing to try to reach. If it happens, my goal would be to get there as soon as I can.
I think it will lengthen the time many players are interested.
I'm sure there is data on what constitutes a normal "arc" in this game.
Q School - CC mid level - a few months on, Web.
The players that graduate from Web to PGA/Euro have then reached the pinnacle of the level you can attain. This can be done within a year if you practice. At that point, it becomes more about survival (at first) and WGR gains.
Having another elite level would give these players time to improve their game before they reach that elite level. I do believe this could lead to better and deeper levels of competitiveness. And I think for many, many players, it would take 2 seasons at least before they got there. That would be good for the site and ultimately for the game.
Just my .02
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:22:43 GMT -5
no, we would be mimicking the real life tours and most of the top WGR play on the PGA - so again, would you be willing to move across the ocean? but making an elite tour is hardly mimicking the real life tours, cant remember them in 2000 all the pga players leaving America because tiger won everything or making a participation tour so everyone could win
Ian, don't you understand what the problem is? They have to make the children happy or they'll pick up their toys and go play some other game. The era of competition and, oh, I don't know, getting better, are dead and buried. |
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