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Post by paulus on Aug 2, 2016 15:40:01 GMT -5
Got to the monster funny boomboom thread too late to post but muchos respect to the man @wagtunes for stealing it right at the end  The one thing I didn't realise and became aware of by reading the thread is that TGCT has a general policy of not naming cheaters. I'm very liberal and get the intent.... but transparency has it's advantages; 1) Displays probity of the site 2) Shows pro-active stance of the tour 3) Shows how often cheating is happening, whether it's rising or falling (or rather how often being caught is happening - but the two metrics are linked) 4) Acts as a deterrent to others 5) Allows honest members to be aware of and look out for the known cheating methods - better self policing A simple closed "ban list" thread (comment is not needed on these things) with the... ...I think would be a good thing. It happens in real life court systems all over the world - all convictions are publicised in the papers because transparency is better for everyone as a whole  |
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Post by Doyley on Aug 2, 2016 15:50:33 GMT -5
The flip side of this is the pitchfork mentality of some people - some don't handle cheaters well and some perfectly legit folks go vigilante and become an issue as well. There are a few other reasons as well - most people want to know what they did to cheat which is a problem since broadcasting cheats for the gen public is not ideal.
But to put a general term on it - cheating is not a major issue at TGCT - by and large we have a membership obeying the rules of the site/golf and when one steps over the line we usually have no issues with dealing with them 1on1 and they come back to the fold.
So when you hear someone post about how they look at the leaderboard and wonder why all these guys are good and assume they must be cheating, I can assure you for the massive majority, they are just good at games/golf.
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Post by paulus on Aug 2, 2016 20:19:01 GMT -5
Yep agree with a lot of what you have to say Doyley, but think the debate is a reasonable one to have. The "closed thread and no debate" in the suggestion should negate the pitchfork mentality to a certain extent, but do agree on the internet it's always a problem! I also realise that you'd probably think it'd be a general nightmare from an administrators point of view, but I'll leave the suggestion with one more thought to ponder.... Lack of information leads to speculation... an that speculation can often create more problems than the information itself would. Finally just to clarify - this is not posted because I think everyone is cheating  I really don't think many, or even a few, are cheating here - I just really believe in transparency as a principle. Get it out in the open and face it head on - people will see it's not much to talk about |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 20:24:34 GMT -5
Got to the monster funny boomboom thread too late to post but muchos respect to the man @wagtunes for stealing it right at the end The one thing I didn't realise and became aware of by reading the thread is that TGCT has a general policy of not naming cheaters. I'm very liberal and get the intent.... but transparency has it's advantages; 1) Displays probity of the site 2) Shows pro-active stance of the tour 3) Shows how often cheating is happening, whether it's rising or falling (or rather how often being caught is happening - but the two metrics are linked) 4) Acts as a deterrent to others 5) Allows honest members to be aware of and look out for the known cheating methods - better self policing A simple closed "ban list" thread (comment is not needed on these things) with the... ...I think would be a good thing. It happens in real life court systems all over the world - all convictions are publicised in the papers because transparency is better for everyone as a whole Thanks for the shout out. For my encore, I'll do it while drinking a glass of Chivas Regal. |
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Post by bentfivewood on Aug 2, 2016 20:56:07 GMT -5
Yep agree with a lot of what you have to say Doyley, but think the debate is a reasonable one to have. The "closed thread and no debate" in the suggestion should negate the pitchfork mentality to a certain extent, but do agree on the internet it's always a problem! I also realise that you'd probably think it'd be a general nightmare from an administrators point of view, but I'll leave the suggestion with one more thought to ponder.... Lack of information leads to speculation... an that speculation can often create more problems than the information itself would. Finally just to clarify - this is not posted because I think everyone is cheating I really don't think many, or even a few, are cheating here - I just really believe in transparency as a principle. Get it out in the open and face it head on - people will see it's not much to talk about One has to consider the purpose behind the general public "needing" to know what someone did to get banned. To me it's the same reason behind cheating accusations. It allows people for a moment to have their suspicions validated. From there it becomes a big "shame on you"-fest. The purpose of the ban itself is to punish infractions with the intent of decreasing the chance the individual will do it again in the future. The ban is not decided upon with the expectation that there will be public derision. Public derision is just what happens and only becomes worse when people know the specifics. But since the ban alone is the punishment, anything more is just overkill and could potentially have detrimental effects, most notably conflict in the forums which seldom ends well and the appearance that admins do not have a good handle on the forums, which can drive people away. |
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 3, 2016 3:39:10 GMT -5
Yep agree with a lot of what you have to say Doyley, but think the debate is a reasonable one to have. The "closed thread and no debate" in the suggestion should negate the pitchfork mentality to a certain extent, but do agree on the internet it's always a problem! I also realise that you'd probably think it'd be a general nightmare from an administrators point of view, but I'll leave the suggestion with one more thought to ponder.... Lack of information leads to speculation... an that speculation can often create more problems than the information itself would. Finally just to clarify - this is not posted because I think everyone is cheating I really don't think many, or even a few, are cheating here - I just really believe in transparency as a principle. Get it out in the open and face it head on - people will see it's not much to talk about Well im not cheating, thats why im not the greatest player and if I could cheat I was not playing in CC-Z. If you look at the leaderboards in Z you know what Im talking about. Same goes for that tip for seeing those jagged lines on greens. On PS4 its not possible, was not even planning to do it anyway, cause it takes to much time and its an exploit in my opinion. I like those tip from Wagtunes and thats the one im using atm. As for Doyley who said that players are just good gamers is BS. Then explain me why those players, who were playing not good at all, suddenly score miles under par. Maybe most players think the dutch are stupid (well we are not), but they are not cheaters, at least im not. But hey, if people wanna cheat the system, just do so. Those people are the biggest losers anyway. Here rest my case. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 3, 2016 3:47:45 GMT -5
This game has a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it you can improve really really quickly.
If you join these tours on Day 1 of owning the game, you might be CC level. But if you are a quick learner/generally adept at games and put the time in you can become a Euro/PGA standard player within a few weeks.
There is a bit of a pitch fork mentality around here at times. Anyone who improves rapidly is (totally wrongly) treated with suspicion, and IMO a lot of it stems from jealousy of those who can't/find it harder to improve
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 3, 2016 7:44:25 GMT -5
This game has a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it you can improve really really quickly. If you join these tours on Day 1 of owning the game, you might be CC level. But if you are a quick learner/generally adept at games and put the time in you can become a Euro/PGA standard player within a few weeks. There is a bit of a pitch fork mentality around here at times. Anyone who improves rapidly is (totally wrongly) treated with suspicion, and IMO a lot of it stems from jealousy of those who can't/find it harder to improve Yeah ok, I agree, but im not jealous. I think its great when somebody can play very well, good for him/her. Wish I could make improvement like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 7:56:24 GMT -5
This game has a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it you can improve really really quickly. If you join these tours on Day 1 of owning the game, you might be CC level. But if you are a quick learner/generally adept at games and put the time in you can become a Euro/PGA standard player within a few weeks. There is a bit of a pitch fork mentality around here at times. Anyone who improves rapidly is (totally wrongly) treated with suspicion, and IMO a lot of it stems from jealousy of those who can't/find it harder to improve Yeah ok, I agree, but im not jealous. I think its great when somebody can play very well, good for him/her. Wish I could make improvement like that. Believe it or not, most of this game is very easy. When all is said and done, it all comes down to putting. That's the one area that is extremely hard to master. And that is the area that separates the men from the boys. I used to think it was getting close to the pin. It's not. Guys are making putts from 20 feet away with incredible consistency. I'm getting close. I now miss most putts by no more than a foot. But guess what? It doesn't matter if you miss that 20 foot putt by a foot, two feet or two inches. A miss is still a miss and the score card looks the same regardless of the distance. So while my putting has improved dramatically in terms of how close I'm getting, my score card has shown very little improvement. This is literally a game of inches when it comes down to it. |
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 3, 2016 8:57:47 GMT -5
Yeah ok, I agree, but im not jealous. I think its great when somebody can play very well, good for him/her. Wish I could make improvement like that. Believe it or not, most of this game is very easy. When all is said and done, it all comes down to putting. That's the one area that is extremely hard to master. And that is the area that separates the men from the boys. I used to think it was getting close to the pin. It's not. Guys are making putts from 20 feet away with incredible consistency. I'm getting close. I now miss most putts by no more than a foot. But guess what? It doesn't matter if you miss that 20 foot putt by a foot, two feet or two inches. A miss is still a miss and the score card looks the same regardless of the distance. So while my putting has improved dramatically in terms of how close I'm getting, my score card has shown very little improvement. This is literally a game of inches when it comes down to it. Well, I have not that high problems with getting close to pin. Im actualy very precise sometimes. My biggest problem is those driveline from tee and fairway. Many times in rough and bunker and loads of missing putts, it simply wont drop. Many times this happens to me, ball is on 1 cm of the hole. |
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 3, 2016 11:16:33 GMT -5
Yeah ok, I agree, but im not jealous. I think its great when somebody can play very well, good for him/her. Wish I could make improvement like that. Believe it or not, most of this game is very easy. When all is said and done, it all comes down to putting. That's the one area that is extremely hard to master. And that is the area that separates the men from the boys. I used to think it was getting close to the pin. It's not. Guys are making putts from 20 feet away with incredible consistency. I'm getting close. I now miss most putts by no more than a foot. But guess what? It doesn't matter if you miss that 20 foot putt by a foot, two feet or two inches. A miss is still a miss and the score card looks the same regardless of the distance. So while my putting has improved dramatically in terms of how close I'm getting, my score card has shown very little improvement. This is literally a game of inches when it comes down to it. We are in hell right now, gentlemen. Believe me. and we can stay here and get the sh%$ kicked out of us or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell. One inch, at a time. Now I can't do it for you. I'm too old.I look around and I see these young faces and I think, I mean, I made every wrong choice a middle age man could make.I pissed away all my money, believe it or not.I chased off anyone who has ever loved me.And lately, I can't even stand the face I see in the mirror. You know, when you get old in life, things get taken from you. That's part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losing stuff. You find out that life is just a game of inches.So is TGC. Because in either game - life or TGC - the margin for error is so small. I mean one half bar too much or transition too early and you don't quite make it.One small adjustment too little or too much and the putts don't quite drop. The inches we need are everywhere around us. They are in ever break of the game - every minute, every second. The best in this game, they fight for that inch. If we want to win, we tear ourselves, and everyone around us to pieces for that inch.We CLAW with our finger nails for that inch. Cause we know when we add up all those inches that's going to make the @!$#ing difference between WINNING and LOSING. Between LIVING and DYING. I'll tell you this, in any fight it is the guy who is willing to die who is going to win that inch. And I know if I am going to have any life anymore it is because, I am still willing to fight, and die for that inch. Because that is what LIVING is. The six inches in front of your face. That's what TGC is, gentlemen, and either you heal now, as virtual golfers, or you will die as individuals. That's golf guys. That's all it is.... Now, whattaya gonna do? |
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 3, 2016 13:35:31 GMT -5
Believe it or not, most of this game is very easy. When all is said and done, it all comes down to putting. That's the one area that is extremely hard to master. And that is the area that separates the men from the boys. I used to think it was getting close to the pin. It's not. Guys are making putts from 20 feet away with incredible consistency. I'm getting close. I now miss most putts by no more than a foot. But guess what? It doesn't matter if you miss that 20 foot putt by a foot, two feet or two inches. A miss is still a miss and the score card looks the same regardless of the distance. So while my putting has improved dramatically in terms of how close I'm getting, my score card has shown very little improvement. This is literally a game of inches when it comes down to it. We are in hell right now, gentlemen. Believe me. and we can stay here and get the sh%$ kicked out of us or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell. One inch, at a time. Now I can't do it for you. I'm too old.I look around and I see these young faces and I think, I mean, I made every wrong choice a middle age man could make.I pissed away all my money, believe it or not.I chased off anyone who has ever loved me.And lately, I can't even stand the face I see in the mirror. You know, when you get old in life, things get taken from you. That's part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losing stuff. You find out that life is just a game of inches.So is TGC. Because in either game - life or TGC - the margin for error is so small. I mean one half bar too much or transition too early and you don't quite make it.One small adjustment too little or too much and the putts don't quite drop. The inches we need are everywhere around us. They are in ever break of the game - every minute, every second. The best in this game, they fight for that inch. If we want to win, we tear ourselves, and everyone around us to pieces for that inch.We CLAW with our finger nails for that inch. Cause we know when we add up all those inches that's going to make the @!$#ing difference between WINNING and LOSING. Between LIVING and DYING. I'll tell you this, in any fight it is the guy who is willing to die who is going to win that inch. And I know if I am going to have any life anymore it is because, I am still willing to fight, and die for that inch. Because that is what LIVING is. The six inches in front of your face. That's what TGC is, gentlemen, and either you heal now, as virtual golfers, or you will die as individuals. That's golf guys. That's all it is.... Now, whattaya gonna do? Well said sir...great speech. Im gonna watch some videos of those tgctlive and gonna see how they are playing. This old fart is gonna promote soon back to E, not this tour, but maybe next week. What happens then we will see, hope to play in the Web soon 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 13:39:26 GMT -5
In case you missed this in the other train wreck.
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 3, 2016 15:04:46 GMT -5
In case you missed this in the other train wreck. Hahaha, this video made my day...love it. |
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I really don't think many, or even a few, are cheating here - I just really believe in transparency as a principle. Get it out in the open and face it head on - people will see it's not much to talk about 
