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Post by daddyjules on Aug 2, 2016 11:48:06 GMT -5
Complete change of subject here, while getting suspicious of other activity i just had a flick thru some leaderboards and remembered that fella, Gareth Mitchell (Hazzard31), won the Us Open then dissappeared, anyone no of him? Strange. Surprised he wud just get bored and leave.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 2, 2016 11:48:09 GMT -5
To those who were in the tour from the early on, there were things call "Spot checks" where admin and Marshals would go out and pull up a random (and sometimes not so random) person and play against their ghost to look for odd things. I still imagine this happens from time to time.  Brionne got bored and left after winning the Players. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 2, 2016 11:48:53 GMT -5
My view is anyone of the "top" players who isn't willing to live Twitch stream their rounds (at least occasionally) or is isn't willing to play versus "live" opponents is a cheat. This surprises me not one single bit, and part of the reason why TGCT lost it's appeal to me over time. Adding in cross platform competition only opens up the doors even more for cheats, which is why I prefer to play with my group of XB guys who are honest players and not concern myself with some PC guy with a straight edge or server exploit. And for the record I can't tell the voices match definitively, they both sound like your typical canadian hoser to me....could be the same guy or maybe not. I really don't care one way or another but excellent detective work to track this lad down if indeed he was using an illegal account. If you can't tell the voices what's your take on the picture match? |
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Post by r0nrun on Aug 2, 2016 11:49:13 GMT -5
This sums up my feelings exactly. All I know for sure is that gfoss1986 Kenny hmammoth @brownief104 pablo lewis9 and Tal don't cheat. We all play together regularly. Live and in person. Honestly as much as I love what TGCT are doing here, thosee matches are much more meaningful and fun. At least for me. I get to talk to the guy I'm playing against, and often we play turn based stroke play. I guess my question to the powers that be would be: How do you plan to ensure that a level playing field exists for everyone involved? I know this is a tall task. I know there will always be cheaters and that it's difficult to detect and isolate them. But you guys have a good thing going here. You have people donating real world dollars, which is a great thing, because it takes real world dollars to keep the servers up and running. I would just hate to see this place lose steam and possibly even cease to be because of a lack of confidence in the integrity of the results. I don't know man but for me golf has always been game of honor. When I'm out there playing in real world, I don't cheat. Ok I understand that this is video game bla bla bla..but at least everyone who actually plays golf in real life will be playing this game without cheating i guarantee that. Dunno how many here plays golf irl but I want to believe that all guys play fair and if they don't Im just like: '' Fck that, it's his loss and if he wanna win with cheating so be it''. hum hum hum....i have several old golfbuddies who always start with 4 balls they always find their wild drives and always ends with 1 ball...now explain that   |
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Post by Royce on Aug 2, 2016 11:57:01 GMT -5
This sums up my feelings exactly. All I know for sure is that gfoss1986 Kenny hmammoth @brownief104 pablo lewis9 and Tal don't cheat. We all play together regularly. Live and in person. Honestly as much as I love what TGCT are doing here, thosee matches are much more meaningful and fun. At least for me. I get to talk to the guy I'm playing against, and often we play turn based stroke play. I guess my question to the powers that be would be: How do you plan to ensure that a level playing field exists for everyone involved? I know this is a tall task. I know there will always be cheaters and that it's difficult to detect and isolate them. But you guys have a good thing going here. You have people donating real world dollars, which is a great thing, because it takes real world dollars to keep the servers up and running. I would just hate to see this place lose steam and possibly even cease to be because of a lack of confidence in the integrity of the results. I don't know man but for me golf has always been game of honor. When I'm out there playing in real world, I don't cheat. Ok I understand that this is video game bla bla bla..but at least everyone who actually plays golf in real life will be playing this game without cheating i guarantee that. Dunno how many here plays golf irl but I want to believe that all guys play fair and if they don't Im just like: '' Fck that, it's his loss and if he wanna win with cheating so be it''. I agree 100% that golf is a game of honesty & honor, but that doesn't explain the fact that every time I play a round with my uncle he ends up with just tremendous lies from the rough/deep rough, almost like the ball was manipulated in some way lol. I have friends who never seem to lose a ball, no matter how deep in the woods they go they always seem to locate their ball, go figure. But in a video game all integrity goes out the window quickly in my view.....I mean we have (presumably) grown adults "cheating" a game for fake monies. |
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Post by bentfivewood on Aug 2, 2016 11:59:16 GMT -5
I was completely unaware of any of this until I was tagged and came to see what the hub-bub was all about. I have been asked by HB and the Admin here not to relay the actual cheat Steve used. HB does have a program to detect the type of cheating and to this point I’m not aware of anyone else who has been caught using the same exploit, but HB nor the Admin here really want the headache of people “experimenting” which I can fully agree with. What I will do is give a basic outline of what happened. Back early in season one, Steve and I were looking into ball 'squirt'. At that time HB denied its existence, something that they later said did exist and was put into the game intentionally before they removed it earlier this year. We were trying to find ways to replicate it or find out why it was happening. At the time all we had to go on was what we had seen and the fact that the majority of the other players, not on PC were thinking that I was crazy and seeing things. We started to theorize that it might be just be happening on PC and not on the other consoles. If that was the case, was it a bug or was it intentional. The word we were getting from Loren from HB at the time, was that it was NOT intentional. We believed him and really wanted to see if we could figure out what the bug was, in order to help HB fix the issue. We tried everything. Steve came to me and told me of a way he found to minimize the squirt. I tried it and found that it didn’t resolve the ball squirt issue at all. What I did find tho, was that it could be used as an exploit. I had discovered an exploit that was completely unrelated to what we were trying to discover and it would allow anyone to shoot incredible scores. Now if you are into computer games or the computer industry, such exploits are not uncommon. Last decade there were many games that fell victim to these types of exploits. This particular exploit I had seen before in games a decade earlier. I never thought about it much because I figured everyone in the industry would know about these types of things and surely they wouldn’t code a game that allowed exploits used a decade ago right? Wrong. But whatcha going to do? At the time I didn't think about it too much. Games have holes that can be exploited all the time. Having been a Guide on games like EQ and EQ2, I know what happens when you knowingly exploit an exploit. You get banned. Just look what Bethezda is doing to all those Overwatch players who are cheating. Besides I was still looking for ball squirt answers and this was not an answer to that issue and so I moved on. About 3 weeks later the Masters happens, Steve wins, then is suspended. All we were told was that he was suspected of cheating. He had an amazing four rounds back then. It didn't take long for me to put two and two together. He was the one who started testing that particular theory and if I figured the exploit within a practice round, he surely must have. It was then I went to the Admins of TGCT and HB. I wrote a long letter to both sets of admin, explaining pretty much everything. I showed my methodology, shared what my observations and what my results were. I told HB that this was a HUGE exploit that anyone could use to get amazing scores and to TGCT I explained my conversations with Steve and why we were testing this in the first place. I was fully open and honest with everyone. HB said thanks and that they would work to have a better API in the future to catch people doing this. TGCT thanked me for filling in the gaps they didn't have with Steve. Both sets of admins then asked me not to spread this around, first because it was an exploit they didn't want out there as common knowledge and second even though they were confident they could catch people it was a huge headache and pain in the arse. And that is that. I continued my quest on finding about ball squirt and the issue was laid to rest. I didn't know Boomer was Steve and find it a shame that all this happened. As I said earlier, the reason I'm bringing this whole story up now is that my name, once again was dragged up once again. I know the admins had my back as I originally came to them about it, but no one else knew. Time has passed, it has been brought back up, the APIs are in place and I still can’t tell the full story, but I'm tired of being seen by some as the bad guy. I can be a pain in the arse, I admit that, but from the start I have been upfront with HB and the Admins about everything. Everything that I looked into was in my eyes, something to help better this game. Squirt was real and I have found several bugs in the game, some that were fixed, others that can't be. I still love the game and I enjoy this community. We have a good thing going here. I hope this clears things up. *Second post* - I had to "clean" as a request by admin. *EDIT* Did you know Canada has no "First Amendment?" I can vouch for the pain in the arse part. yw |
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Post by theduke21 on Aug 2, 2016 11:59:38 GMT -5
well to me there is a huge different in freedom to speech and just being an arse but hey thats me ....imagine yourself as a kindergarten teacher...uooooshhhh... The definition is that you are FREE to say whatever you want. Yes, but not without consequences. Can you walk into your job and call your boss a ^%*#*# %*%%*#? Absolutely, but you'll probably get fired. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 12:03:16 GMT -5
No need to get this thread locked by going over old news i speak to a few of the banned players they accepted that the admins didnt want the word used anymore, and have moved on they just want to be able to have there say on steve boomboom lillico especially smurf he and boomboom have always agreed on cheats Hey Ian, can I have your autograph? Sorry, big fan. |
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Post by theduke21 on Aug 2, 2016 12:03:47 GMT -5
Wow u no what this all means... I will once again become the world number one left handed player on tgctours this in itself may give me enough power to come back and try my best! Thank you Boomer/steve2golf u putting tip cheating mug! Next we find out u r Regis Fretto, Mr Playtime, Brad Putt or Brad Martin! I have already said that Regis Fretto is Brad/Adam Martin. It has fallen on deaf ears. I think they need to take a closer look at the IP's on those accounts I've been looking into this myself. |
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Post by yaters on Aug 2, 2016 12:04:26 GMT -5
People are always going to try and get away with things. It's just life. But I think there is a small minority that actively attempts to cheat here at the highest level of these tours. BoomBoom wasn't cheating in this last year - he was caught doing it previously and then didn't respect the ban given him and created a new account. But they did not find evidence in that new account of cheating. Doesn't mean he wasn't.
200+ people play the events each week on PGA and Euro tours. Triple that for the Web and CC tours. There might be a couple of people that try to cheat their way to winning. I would bet all of them get caught at some point. It is unfortunate and sometimes hard to understand the motives.
There are a lot of subtle things that people around here debate if it is cheating or not (ghost balls come to mind). I am sure some with lots of time can take advantage of some other methods too. Multiple accounts on a system to play the tournament early, playing on multiple systems, etc. Shoot, I think playing live with someone else could be a huge advantage if you talked through the shots, shared club and lofting information, etc. Of course that stuff goes on. They may break the 'honor' of the game of golf, but there aren't rules against them at this time.
I'm pretty satisfied that the people running this site do as much as they possibly can to combat those that try to cheat. I personally think the punishments handed out can be a bit too relaxed at times. It would be naive to believe it doesn't happen or won't continue to happen. I just choose not to let that deter from what I personally get from participating here.
I can actually empathize with BoomBoom on all this. I imagine he is a guy that really enjoys this game and competing. He lost that and tried to find a way around the rules to keep participating. His method for doing that was just creepy and weird, then he got caught again. He may or may not try to do this again - who knows. It's a shame for sure. I understand what he was doing, but I want nothing to do with a person like that, so I hope he just stays away and finds something else to do. Dumb choice and he paid the price.
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Post by Royce on Aug 2, 2016 12:05:04 GMT -5
My view is anyone of the "top" players who isn't willing to live Twitch stream their rounds (at least occasionally) or is isn't willing to play versus "live" opponents is a cheat. This surprises me not one single bit, and part of the reason why TGCT lost it's appeal to me over time. Adding in cross platform competition only opens up the doors even more for cheats, which is why I prefer to play with my group of XB guys who are honest players and not concern myself with some PC guy with a straight edge or server exploit. And for the record I can't tell the voices match definitively, they both sound like your typical canadian hoser to me....could be the same guy or maybe not. I really don't care one way or another but excellent detective work to track this lad down if indeed he was using an illegal account. If you can't tell the voices what's your take on the picture match? It's not my place to explain, but it's certainly not by coincidence. I was just making the point that he sounds like any other canadian to me, never said he wasn't the owner of both accounts. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 2, 2016 12:14:35 GMT -5
I have already said that Regis Fretto is Brad/Adam Martin. It has fallen on deaf ears. I think they need to take a closer look at the IP's on those accounts I've been looking into this myself. Cool. Let me know what you find out. |
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Post by theduke21 on Aug 2, 2016 12:17:05 GMT -5
Complete change of subject here, while getting suspicious of other activity i just had a flick thru some leaderboards and remembered that fella, Gareth Mitchell (Hazzard31), won the Us Open then dissappeared, anyone no of him? Strange. Surprised he wud just get bored and leave. It was a shame he left but I don't think there was anything suspicious there. I was friends with Gareth on PSN and he just rarely gets on anymore. Also was friends with him on Facebook and he was in some of the TGC communities on there. He had a legitimate Facebook profile with friends and everything and told me on there that he had a new job and just didn't get to play much anymore. |
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Post by jarednich on Aug 2, 2016 12:18:07 GMT -5
The real question is...can CLV or someone else qualified start on Bethpage Black so we have it for TGC 2?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 12:18:39 GMT -5
Everyone who disappears isn't always a Stoomer situation. For example, SourNinja fell off the face of the earth for a few months but that was because he was at school and too busy. His close buds knew, but very little folks who weren't close wouldn't know that.
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