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Post by Bacon on Jul 15, 2016 17:46:25 GMT -5
Some of you guys have probably already ran into this problem, and I'm hoping someone has found a solution, if one exists.
So, I have a hole that is a double dogleg (surprise). If you imagine the hole as a letter 'S', my tee is in the bottom left and the green is at the top right. I want the player to be aimed at the bottom right off the tee, which is the nearest stretch of fairway, so I place the midpoint there. (The actual shot could be anywhere from bottom right to top left, depending on wind.) However, if I place the midpoint on the bottom right, then the entire top left of the hole is left out when figuring yardage (think backwards 'L'), so I end up with something over 100 yards less than the true length.
I could place the midpoint on the top left, which would be closer to the true yardage, but then the player is aimed that way as the hole opens, which I don't want.
A third option would be to place the midpoint well past the green, but then the second shot will be aimed completely in the wrong direction.
So, is there a solution to this in TGC, or is this something that may be addressed in TGC2? I appreciate any help you guys can offer!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 1:28:32 GMT -5
I think I get what you're saying, but without redesigning the hole you're not going to achieve what you want. Honestly, the true yardage IS the shorter yardage if you're wanting them to aim at the lower right. On golf courses the measured distance on a dogleg is measured in 3 points... permanent designated yardage marker on the tee box (typically center of the tee box, but have seen some courses measure from front or back) to the center of the fairway on the "pivot point" of the dogleg, and then from that point to the center of the green. The hole isn't measured based on total distance of fairway (if you get what I mean by that).
per USGA: Measurements of dogleg holes typically follow the standard playing path. A measurement of a dogleg par 4, for example, will begin at the tee marker and advance to the middle of the fairway at the dogleg’s pivot point. A second measurement is then made from the pivot point to the center of the green and the two measurements are added. Section 12-2a of the Handicap Manual advises course officials to select a spot approximately 250 yards from the tee for men and 210 yards for women if a typical pivot point cannot be determined.
If you actually want the lower right to be the preferred landing zone (with upper left being a risk/reward landing area), then you'll need to change the dimensions of your hole. For example: You want a 400 yard dogleg hole. In order to achieve your 400 yards you might measure 285 yds from the tee box to where you want the bend in your dogleg and place your waypoint. Then you'll measure 115 yds and place your second waypoint where you want the center of your green to be.
if your hole is a par 4, then your second dogleg is nothing more than a second option off the tee (if you indeed have it set up as a risk/reward shot)...otherwise it's just "extra" fairway and there for looks. If your hole is a par 5 then the second dogleg is an area for players to layup if the wind is too high for them to go for the green and wanting to play a safe shot.
I may not have understood your question completely, but hope this helps.
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Post by ErixonStone on Jul 16, 2016 7:57:53 GMT -5
The GNCD only setsbone fairway waypoint, so you can't get what you want here. The best that you can do is point the golfer down the first fairway to the safe landing area. Players will adjust to the risky landing area if that's where they want to hit.
In thinking about the design of the hole, if a player plays down the right side, what kind of second shot do they have? If it's an 80 yard pitch sideways so they can clear some trees, players are not going to like the hole.
I built a hole on a similar concept. A drive down the right side of the fairway brings a large tree into play. From there, the player is forced to lay up to about 80 yards from the green, or play a huge fade around the tree. Players have a clear shot past the tree if they find the far left side of the fairway.
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Post by Bacon on Jul 16, 2016 10:32:49 GMT -5
Thank you both for the responses.
This hole was originally laid out as a dogleg-right par four, until I realized that it was one of 3 dogleg par fours in a row lol. I ended up moving the teebox back a bit to make it a par 5 (I wanted another one anyway) and pushing the waypoint to the right on top of a small ridgeline, and it turned a really average hole into what will probably be the best on the course.
From the right (safe) landing area, players potentially have a narrow gap between a stand of trees down to the green 30 or 40 feet below. It's a good 3 wood away in all but strong wind. If the wind is against (or if playing safe), players can follow the fairway to the top left of the 'S', where they'll have a long-to-mid iron approach shot. On the other hand, if the wind is favorable off the tee, players can opt for the leftward shot and have an easier approach than the right side offers. And finally, (this is hole 15, btw), there is an option for players to play the 3rd shot to the 2nd hole's fairway, which offers a short pitch into the 15th green if other approaches don't look good to them. This may never actually be used, but the option IS there.
Hope that's more clear. I imagine most players will take the right side of the fairway and go for the green in two, if the wind isn't favorable off the tee. The left side will make for an easier approach by far, but isn't possible unless wind helps. I'm still working on making anything between those two (the middle of the 'S') an option.
So I guess I go with the shorter path! Thanks again for the help.
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