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Post by pyates on Jun 12, 2016 13:01:08 GMT -5
On the old predictor game... I have had 10 points in every game except the England one! Damn it  |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 13:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 12, 2016 13:03:44 GMT -5
The only thing England did wrong last night was not scoring in the first half when we were all over them.
Roy picked a team with 5 very attacking players that dominated from the off, so i don't think it's fair to call him negative. No sub he could have made would have prevented the Russia goal, it was a good cross and a good header and in fact, the only bit of quality they produced all evening.
re Eriksson, McLaren/Keegan excepted he is the worst England Manager in the last 20 years. He had Ferdinand, Campbell, Ashley Cole, Terry, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Scholes, Owen & Rooney, players in their prime who could have walked into any team in the world, and yet produced some of the dullest England teams you've ever seen.
His "record" is a complete myth. Winning things in Sweden & Portugal is basically worth nothing. And Lazio virtually bankruped themselves to produce the team that won Serie A in 2000.
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 13:19:21 GMT -5
The only thing England did wrong last night was not scoring in the first half when we were all over them. Roy picked a team with 5 very attacking players that dominated from the off, so i don't think it's fair to call him negative. No sub he could have made would have prevented the Russia goal, it was a good cross and a good header and in fact, the only bit of quality they produced all evening. re Eriksson, McLaren/Keegan excepted he is the worst England Manager in the last 20 years. He had Ferdinand, Campbell, Ashley Cole, Terry, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Scholes, Owen & Rooney, players in their prime who could have walked into any team in the world, and yet produced some of the dullest England teams you've ever seen. His "record" is a complete myth. Winning things in Sweden & Portugal is basically worth nothing. And Lazio virtually bankruped themselves to produce the team that won Serie A in 2000. Nonesense comment In my view re Sven...Simple as that really.. But your entitled to your opinion as we all are.. |
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Post by nantez88 on Jun 12, 2016 13:21:16 GMT -5
Germany have a world class outfit pal I'm sorry but they have a much better team than England They are world champions and they are solid every Euro and World cup. England do have a great team though but the majority of people only think they are class as they know all the players from the premiership and the majority of people don't watch every game in the Bundesliga etc and a huge weight is constantly thrown on the English players by the media too every tournament which never helps imo We will see how 'world class' Germany are. If they play as they did vs England they have no chance. I expect them to play better but not good enough to win it. I expect Germany to not be great tonight pal they have a few injuries and aren't at their greatest and are well known for starting tournaments slow but you can't argue they are much better than England as much as you don't want to hear it ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 13:25:16 GMT -5
As a Leicester and England fan I think Sven is the one of the most over-rated and over-priced managers in the last 20 years but hey ho. Poland looked solid today and they could go quite far. I'd love Milik at Leicester but his price is gonna skyrocket over the next month. I predicted Russia to be England's easiest group game and to win that before losing to Wales and drawing to Slovakia going through in 2nd so the draw is quite bad but they didn't play too badly. Need to be more ruthless.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 12, 2016 13:28:14 GMT -5
The only thing England did wrong last night was not scoring in the first half when we were all over them. Roy picked a team with 5 very attacking players that dominated from the off, so i don't think it's fair to call him negative. No sub he could have made would have prevented the Russia goal, it was a good cross and a good header and in fact, the only bit of quality they produced all evening. re Eriksson, McLaren/Keegan excepted he is the worst England Manager in the last 20 years. He had Ferdinand, Campbell, Ashley Cole, Terry, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Scholes, Owen & Rooney, players in their prime who could have walked into any team in the world, and yet produced some of the dullest England teams you've ever seen. His "record" is a complete myth. Winning things in Sweden & Portugal is basically worth nothing. And Lazio virtually bankruped themselves to produce the team that won Serie A in 2000. Nonesense comment In my view re Sven...Simple as that really.. But your entitled to your opinion as we all are.. One look at his record since he left the job would suggest it's far from nonsense. Sven had one good night in Munich and lived off it for the next 5 years. His reputation as a world class coach and the pay cheque that went with it was completely unjustified. He won/bought ONE major domestic league title in a 30 year career. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 12, 2016 13:33:00 GMT -5
Interesting articale from January 2006. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4645502.stmEngland coach Sven-Goran Eriksson has warned the Football Association that it will have to pay his successor a similar salary to his own £4.5m a year.
He said: "I never understood in this country that I'm accused of earning too much money. I could find at least 10 others who earn more than I do.
"You have to pay that money for someone like Fabio Capello, Carlo Ancelotti, Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger."
Correct Sven, you do, but all of those (with the possible exception of Wenger) have won enough to justify those kind of salaries. You did not. Not nonsense. Fact  |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 13:33:41 GMT -5
We will see how 'world class' Germany are. If they play as they did vs England they have no chance. I expect them to play better but not good enough to win it. I expect Germany to not be great tonight pal they have a few injuries and aren't at their greatest and are well known for starting tournaments slow but you can't argue they are much better than England as much as you don't want to hear it ;-) I CAN argue the reason their record is much better than England is due to poor management on our part,and that's what I'm doing. |
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Post by nantez88 on Jun 12, 2016 13:38:47 GMT -5
I expect Germany to not be great tonight pal they have a few injuries and aren't at their greatest and are well known for starting tournaments slow but you can't argue they are much better than England as much as you don't want to hear it ;-) I CAN argue the reason their record is much better than England is due to poor management on our part,and that's what I'm doing. At least you's didn't have Trapattoni like us haha |
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Post by mrooola on Jun 12, 2016 13:42:43 GMT -5
Does anyone know why there are no rules against foreign staff? Should be imo
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 13:43:13 GMT -5
Nonesense comment In my view re Sven...Simple as that really.. But your entitled to your opinion as we all are.. One look at his record since he left the job would suggest it's far from nonsense. Sven had one good night in Munich and lived off it for the next 5 years. His reputation as a world class coach and the pay cheque that went with it was completely unjustified. He won/bought ONE major domestic league title in a 30 year career. My argument is bein taken out of context.. Do I think Sven was a world class manager!? No... Did he get the best out of the players at his disposal!? No.. What manager has.. None. I think England have always had talented squads but they don't have that cutting edge when it comes to the business end of tournaments, the teams like Germany, Spain etc have a great nack in knowing how to win.. Plus they have better teams.. |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 13:46:01 GMT -5
Now Trappatoni was a clueless character in charge of Ireland. Very negative tactics.. He Still got us to the Euros in 2012.. He hadn't much to work with compared to what we were up against but his tactics weren't good by any means for a lot his spell in charge..
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 13:59:47 GMT -5
For the record all my point comes down to is the fact the players don't shoulder enough of the blame when a team fails.. I'm not saying England have had world class managers but the general expectancy of the fans seems to be quite high & In reality since 96 there hasn't being anything of note happening on the pitch (with England) to justify that expectancy.. That and luck plays its part... Anyway moving on enjoy the match about to k.o lads..  |
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Post by pyates on Jun 12, 2016 14:04:34 GMT -5
I have Germany as 3-1 winners... I hope I'm right for once . They'll be there or there abouts as always |
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