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Post by nantez88 on Jun 12, 2016 12:42:03 GMT -5
It doesn't matter to me either. I watched Ericsson putting Phil Neville on against Portugal when we were trying to win the game,or should have been - he puts on a defender?? This was a tactical decision,not an injury forced change. This at a time when we were really pressing for the win. Of course we lost and he was justifiably criticized. We obviously have different ideas of what is good. For you,getting out of a group and losing meekly is good - for me it isn't. Ericsson had good players too,but he stifled them. Hodgson seems afraid to really go for it,yet that is the one thing he would get no criticism for from the vast majority of fans! If he continues like he started and hasn't learned he has to ditch the likes of Sterling we have no chance at all.There is great talent sitting on that bench - the best we've had for a long time. Had Ericsson been manager of Germany,with his results,how long would he have lasted? They have no greater talent than we do,yet look at what they do with it! No way would they put up with an Ericsson side. It's clear u & and I ain't goin to agree much but I do find your analysis of England managers quite strange.. Venables was very unlucky but Eriksson wasnt!? England had a very talented team @ Euro 96 & on home soil they ultimately didn't get the job done.. If Ronaldinho wouldn't have scored that quite fortunate goal v England in 2002 & England did progress let's say there's a good chance England mite well have bein world champions that year... If they would have reached the final they would have being confident havin disposed infamously of Germany in Munich 5-1 in qualifying.. Its all ifs n buts, however : luck, whether its good or bad plays a huge part in the jigsaw for any manager trying to be successful.. A Penalty shootout loss cost Eriksson on 2 QF occasions at major comps, penalty's are all about pot luck really but its clear Englands penalty shoot record has taken a toll mentally on several squads as is only natural given their run in them.Eriksson has had generally a successful career in management.. That's all I've to say on the matter really..  He must not have been that bad as he had a song. ..Sven Goran Eriksson la da da da da Sven Goran Eriksson lah da da da da da..haha |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 12:43:04 GMT -5
FWIW in my lifetime England havnt had a good manager apart from Capello and even he wasnt suited to England. Nonesense Smurf IMO.. A manager can only do so much... Ok Hodgson isn't the greatest, and not sayin Eriksson was.. But as the likes of Eriksson's track record in football certainly isn't a bad one.. If Venables was so good why didn't he stay beyond Euro 96!? ... Puzzler.. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 12:45:20 GMT -5
Did anyone see thw game in Germany a few weeks ago?
Germany were outplayed comprehensively after a two goal start. And yet people think THEY have more talent??
What they have is a better mentality come the big tournaments,and that comes from the management.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 12:46:54 GMT -5
Venables didn't want the job - simple. It may be he wasn't offered the chance to stay on,who knows. The FA are very good at making huge blunders.
Harry Redknapp should be in the job - yet another cock up by the FA.
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Post by mrooola on Jun 12, 2016 12:48:09 GMT -5
I don't blame any of our managers... ambition has always been ahead of talent as long as I remember! Anyways! How do folk from other countries rate their chances? I'm cynical. I don't think Sweden will get a single point. I would be thoroughly disappointed if they don't though. The group has been called group of death, but I disagree. Italy and Sweden are both looking weaker than they have in a long time and I'm still not sold on Belgium as a team. I think Ireland very well can snatch a 2nd place here. If they get 3rd and advance it can go either way. The best thing about Sweden team apart from zlatan is that noone knows who our players are and what they can do  |
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Post by mrooola on Jun 12, 2016 12:50:34 GMT -5
Did anyone see thw game in Germany a few weeks ago? Germany were outplayed comprehensively after a two goal start. And yet people think THEY have more talent?? What they have is a better mentality come the big tournaments,and that comes from the management. Yeah well, Sweden won against England 4-0 not long ago. The english side looked like kindergarten players. Noone claims Sweden has more talent. Your argument is invalid |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 12, 2016 12:50:45 GMT -5
Venables, Hodgson, McClaren, Sven etc all useless.
Venables was a crook anyways, wudn trust him to run a corner shop.
Sven was a spoofer. England player terrible football in tourny football under him.
McClaren - terrible
Hodgson - clueless
All these managers where and are shite.
Look at the teams they went to after their england stint.
Just awful IMO
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 12:52:38 GMT -5
Losing on penalties when we deserve to win,such as 90 and 96,that is one thing,but getting down to penalties due to mismanagement,with good players unable to express themselves,as in Ericsson's team,that is unacceptable. Yes,Venables was unlucky - he had the team playing very well. Ericsson had them playing boringly defensive,reflecting his own character. Venables made the best of his players,Ericsson didn't. I'll ask again - does crawling out of groups and losing,playing unattractive football,constitute success,or does playing well,as in 90 and 96,but losing (at a later stage) constitute more of a success? The answer is obvious. He had good players! I'll also ask again - how long would Ericsson have lasted in the Germany job? Why are they always in the mix for titles and we never are? More talent? I don't think so,in fact I'd say we have more talent. Better management/tactics? Undoubtedly yes! And I'll state what I've already said.. A manager can only do so much.. You lost in 02 to the eventual winners.. Alex Ferguson is considered one of the greatest managers of all time & rightly so but he also had plenty of luck along the way to enable that great status.. Firstly not to have being sacked several years into his reign.. In 99 we were battered by Bayern but held on n the rest as they say is history.. In 08 v Chelsea in Moscow a John Terry slip gave us an opportunity to stay in the shoot out and following Giggs's pen, an Anelka miss gave Fergie a 2nd Champ lge win.. I think we'll agree to disagree from this & move on.. we goin round in circles.. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 12:53:37 GMT -5
Venables, Hodgson, McClaren, Sven etc all useless. Venables was a crook anyways, wudn trust him to run a corner shop. Sven was a spoofer. England player terrible football in tourny football under him. McClaren - terrible Hodgson - clueless All these managers where and are sh%$e. Look at the teams they went to after their england stint. Just awful IMO Venables I can't agree with,the rest definitely yes,absolute rubbish. Talent is not our problem,we have a lot of it - sh%$ managers are our problem. It could well be that we lose or draw to Wales before Hodgson finally realises he must play the talent |
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Post by nantez88 on Jun 12, 2016 12:54:24 GMT -5
Did anyone see thw game in Germany a few weeks ago? Germany were outplayed comprehensively after a two goal start. And yet people think THEY have more talent?? What they have is a better mentality come the big tournaments,and that comes from the management. Germany have a world class outfit pal I'm sorry but they have a much better team than England They are world champions and they are solid every Euro and World cup. England do have a great team though but the majority of people only think they are class as they know all the players from the premiership and the majority of people don't watch every game in the Bundesliga etc and a huge weight is constantly thrown on the English players by the media too every tournament which never helps imo |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 12:55:20 GMT -5
I'll state what I know too,a good manager makes all the difference in the world.
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 12:55:53 GMT -5
Venables, Hodgson, McClaren, Sven etc all useless. Venables was a crook anyways, wudn trust him to run a corner shop. Sven was a spoofer. England player terrible football in tourny football under him. McClaren - terrible Hodgson - clueless All these managers where and are sh%$e. Look at the teams they went to after their england stint. Just awful IMO I've had my say... Did I say any of the managers you've mentioned were great... No.. End of.. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 12:56:56 GMT -5
Did anyone see thw game in Germany a few weeks ago? Germany were outplayed comprehensively after a two goal start. And yet people think THEY have more talent?? What they have is a better mentality come the big tournaments,and that comes from the management. Germany have a world class outfit pal I'm sorry but they have a much better team than England They are world champions and they are solid every Euro and World cup. England do have a great team though but the majority of people only think they are class as they know all the players from the premiership and the majority of people don't watch every game in the Bundesliga etc and a huge weight is constantly thrown on the English players by the media too every tournament which never helps imo We will see how 'world class' Germany are. If they play as they did vs England they have no chance. I expect them to play better but not good enough to win it. |
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Post by pyates on Jun 12, 2016 12:57:26 GMT -5
Did anyone see thw game in Germany a few weeks ago? Germany were outplayed comprehensively after a two goal start. And yet people think THEY have more talent?? What they have is a better mentality come the big tournaments,and that comes from the management. Yeah well, Sweden won against England 4-0 not long ago. The english side looked like kindergarten players. Noone claims Sweden has more talent. Your argument is invalid Yeah exactly. We showed in that Germany game that we can attack but we definitely didn't outclass them and the German's always seem to hold something back for tournaments. Oh and we missed plenty of chances in that game too. The Sweden game... oh my, I physically hated Zlatan for that... we looked and felt utterly stupid in that game. One game does not a good team make. |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 12:58:20 GMT -5
I'll settle this argument!!! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!  in all seriousness though...I'm right & you's r all fukkin WRONG! |
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in all seriousness though...I'm right & you's r all fukkin WRONG!