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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Jun 7, 2016 0:30:39 GMT -5
Hey guys, As some of you may know, I have restarted my twitch series, Canuck's Course Critiques, which had a run of over 120 episodes before it morphed into TGCTLive. My reboot currently has 10 episodes done so far, with at least 10 in my backlog that I need to do. You can find all the shows here: Canuck's Course Critiques Summer is fast approaching for me, and I get a couple months off. The days will be long at times, so I need something to do to occupy my time. Streaming of course! I would like to ramp up my Course Critique series and put more effort into them. I enjoy them, but I find that they can get repetitive...and they can be alot of work and quite time consuming. I was approached with the idea of asking for a small donation for every course I play. At first, I was against it, but now I'm thinking it may be something worthwhile...but before I put this into action, I want your opinion. If I were to go the donation route, it would look something like this: $5 Donation: (Basic Package) Your course gets it's very own episode on Canuck's Course Critiques which will be broadcast live on Twitch, then uploaded to Youtube. I would play through your course in a 25-30 minute episode and give feedback and constructive criticisms, with help from the chatroom, whose feed you would also see on the video. $10 Donation: (VIP Package): Same as the $5 donation, but your course would jump to the front of the line! Meaning...if I had 10 courses I had to get to before yours, a $10 donation would make you my next course. $15 Donation: (Deluxe VIP Package): Same as the $10 donation, but you would be able to set up a time where you want me to stream, so you can ensure you get to watch your critique live on twitch. The money would be split 50/50: 50% goes directly to TGCTours.com - to help Tim with costs of running the site. 50% goes to myself/TGCTLive- to help us give away BIGGER prizes for giveaways and contests! Please leave me some feedback. After a week or so, based on the feedback, I'll decide where I'm going to go.
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 7, 2016 0:44:06 GMT -5
I think you would get flooded - mate.... We need to find a way for non designers to donate. The designers should not pay, they should get compensated if anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 0:45:11 GMT -5
I already have.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Jun 7, 2016 0:46:45 GMT -5
Non-designers can always donate to the stream. I would also send 50 percent of donations of people just watching during each episode to TGCTours.
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Post by Doyley on Jun 7, 2016 0:51:31 GMT -5
I watch a guy that plays Rocksmith with a similar setup and it works well - if you want to jump the line you pony up otherwise you wait patiently. At the end of the day the streamer is providing the service/entertainment (assuming andre does a dance or two per steam) and there's no reason it can't work for golf when it works for many other games.
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Post by yaters on Jun 7, 2016 1:01:24 GMT -5
I'm not a designer but I wouldn't mind contributing. The amount of time you guys put into this site and providing services like this deserves something. Too many take it all for granted.
By the way, played your Links at Lions' Gate tonight for the first time. Had winds at 15-19 mph which made a few of the holes very painful. I liked the course though!
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Post by nevadaballin on Jun 7, 2016 1:12:26 GMT -5
I don't mind contributing to the cause to help keep our fearless leaders from bankrolling this entire operation. But I don't know how I feel about paying for course reviews.
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Post by gdog on Jun 7, 2016 1:49:17 GMT -5
Ok I love the idea of supporting both tgctours and the tgclive stuff. I'm never going to have a course worthy of submitting. Others have also mentioned they would like to support who also aren't designers but would want to support tgct and tgclive. What about trying a service like www.patreon.com/ It a really good service for crowdfunding creators. Lots of people use it from all areas of entertainment. Musicians, Cosplayers, Youtubers, Artists. People can support you monthly and you can set up tiers of funding. You can also set up goals. Eg. you could have 1 goal be to cover the ad stuff for the site and forums costs etc. Then say a higher goal. Which could be x amount of cc's a week or something. I dunno, I'm mixed on charging for every course you cover. People can support you monthly and you can also set up tiers of funding. Some could be the designers stuff you stated or maybe even other content. I as I'm sure many other really enjoy the course critiques. I really enjoyed what you did the other night when you actually hopped in the designer to show us how to do the fairway rough around a fairway bunker trick. I like the 3 tiers you stated but would love to see like an even more detailed critique with tips like you showed the other night. Just some ideas.
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Post by boomboom on Jun 7, 2016 4:41:53 GMT -5
Hate to be an arse hole here but I will preface what I'm about to say by saying I do not think the burden of the costs need be borne by Tim.
Now this game is what 3 years running now. The fact its still running and growing is for 2 reasons IMHO. Content and TGCTours. The content is constantly changing and being added to by designers and TGCT provides HBS with the career mode, the tournament mode and the social mode.
HBS has provided the game, the foundation of which is pretty good, but has little to no learning curve. If the game was left strictly in the hands of HBS, this game would of been dead a long long time ago. There would only of been courses where -20 was the score because of a boring easy to master mechanic, no career mode, no lobby, crappy courses occasionally being released, however HBS takes the entirety of the revenue. Good gig if you can get it.
HBS only has a small part in the success of their own game IMHO. This game dies without either TGCTours and/or the designers.
See where I'm heading here.
For the time being, get the donate button up to cover the costs, but if I were TGCTours, obviously the designers could never band together, that would be like herding cats, but TGCTours on the other hand has bargaining power. TGCTours goes dark, this game is dead. I doubt HBS will see that, but maybe they will. But there, is where I would start the conversation, HBS. There's likely a win/win in this, they may be able to alleviate some or all of the costs of TGCTours. However then you open the door up to all the other discussions etc. But, the clout of going dark is ever present. But there likely is way for HBS to provide a part of a resource they already own and operate to TGCTours. That's where the conversation need happen.
Anyway, bottom line, designers already donate their time, their skills and their courses to the game, no way the burden should be on Tim or the designers.
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Post by nickweis on Jun 7, 2016 6:15:24 GMT -5
I feel like boomboom has a good point, designers already have donated a lot of time to make the courses that have made the game what it is. That being said, TGCT has the power to take a course that might see 100 plays, and get it 500-1000 or even more.
I would like to donate at some point, and this would make it feel like designers get something in return for their donation.
Not the worst idea I have heard.
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 7, 2016 6:29:51 GMT -5
HBS not integrating this framework into the next TGC would be a huge mistake. We would have to drop the tour names and there may be issues with using RCRs named as the real course - but that's a small price.
Could/should be an OK payday for Tim and the other founders as well.
I still think they should do micro-transactions in the next one and have an in game economy. Add on a layer of sim golf.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Jun 7, 2016 7:47:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback so far, everyone. Seems pretty split down the middle, but that's enough for me to see that this isn't such a great idea. I'm going to just keep it the way it is, and people are welcome to donate to the stream if the want, but should not feel obligated.
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Post by Doyley on Jun 7, 2016 8:55:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback so far, everyone. Seems pretty split down the middle, but that's enough for me to see that this isn't such a great idea. I'm going to just keep it the way it is, and people are welcome to donate to the stream if the want, but should not feel obligated. You could always start small by having the top level being $5 to jump the line. It's not like designers are forced to pay this to get a review. If they do not like the idea to donate they just request the review and wait in line
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