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Post by bruce on May 13, 2016 9:40:34 GMT -5
I know the whole premise of thse tours is to improve, but heres a suggestion. I've been sponsered 2 times and both times didn't even come close to finishing in the top ten in the tour I was sponsered for. I would like to suggest you can't move up unless you either win in the tour your in, or finish in the top ten at least 3 times before being sponsered in the tour above.
The way its set up now, you constantly are bouncing back and forth . I'm more in favor of staying in one tour until your at least win or consistantly finish in the top ten.
Moving up is great, but sometimes your just not ready, and this would help a great deal.
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Post by Doyley on May 14, 2016 9:40:08 GMT -5
I don't see that change being put in place - if you are good enough to earn an exemption then you are good enough to compete on the flight above if you play at your best level. Remember, the higher the flight the bigger your share of the purse is - so if leading the money list is your goal it only helps you in the long run to play on the highest tours your skill level will allow.
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Post by curtmantle on May 14, 2016 11:37:14 GMT -5
Is the promotion simply being within 10 shots of the highest exemption? The Rules and Policies don't seem to be up-to-date.
The problems I see with the 10 shot rule are that one player might have an exceptional tournament and so may be the only one to get promoted and often people get a promotion even though they finished below the demotion strike line which is in indicator they aren't quite good enough for the flight above.
This week in CC-B there's only going to be one player who gets a promotion. In CC-C there's two and CC-D there's three. Another week there could be the complete opposite situation where 10 people or more get a promotion including some that finished below the demotion strike line.
I just wonder it it would be better to just have another cutline so exemptions must finish in the top x% of the tour above such as 30%. That way they've genuinely played well enough to be in that flight regardless of what the other exemptions have done.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the way things are now, just my own thoughts.
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Post by SmilingGoats on May 14, 2016 16:23:01 GMT -5
The rules are up to date so far as I know. What part of the rules are not?
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Post by curtmantle on May 14, 2016 18:37:23 GMT -5
The 3 wins needed to get a promotion. I've been promoted straight after both my wins so it made me wonder if that section was not up-to-date.
Is the promotion part right - you can get your card on exemption if you finish within 10 shots and finish in the top 70?
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Post by SmilingGoats on May 14, 2016 18:42:16 GMT -5
As far as I know, the 10 shots and top 70 while on Sponsor's Exemption is correct. It also says you are promoted if you win a Challenge Circuit event.
I'm not seeing anything about 3 wins...where do you see that?
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Post by curtmantle on May 14, 2016 19:27:32 GMT -5
Under Tour Membership: Earning a Promotion.
The first option is - Win three events in your current tour ("Battlefield Promotion") - Mandatory
I see now that there's a Challenge Circuit Info section further down with the promotion for a single win info.
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Post by bruce on May 15, 2016 21:20:02 GMT -5
So the premise here is If you play once very well you can compete on the next higher level ? So you don't need any consistancy playing very well, just play well enough once and hey your good enough to move up !
That idea must work very well, because its happened to me twice an both times didn't play any where near enough to move up. Its also probably the reason I didn't do very well when I was playing in that higher level before, hence the reason I was moved down in the first place.
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Post by nantez88 on May 21, 2016 10:12:44 GMT -5
To answer the original question....Yes it's called sandbagging ;-)
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Post by INOVASHN on Jun 17, 2016 6:02:30 GMT -5
Nope
Clearly having a chip in eagle and another lucky hole in 1 plus maybe a couple extra lucky breaks that lead to birdies instead of par or bogey makes you the sandbagger that automatically gains you 6 shots in the tourney your playing
So now your up for exemption and cleary are that good all the time...yet you still didnt win jack sh%$ but get to bounce back and forth
Lol
Right.....
You would think that having a couple nice breaks (in real life) would help you to finish top 5 or 3 or hell even win a tournament
But no
It squeezes you into the top 20 or 10 barely just so you get bumped to a harder league that clearly you couldnt win in..
The setup is broken...period
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 17, 2016 10:04:54 GMT -5
If you're good enough where a few breaks going your way puts you in the top 15% of the field, then you're good enough to compete at the next tier. You may finish 50th out of 100, but that means you are an average player for that tier. A few breaks you got last week don't go your way this week and you fall. A few breaks go your way and you have a chance again.
Finish poorly three times in a row because you really are out of your league, then you'll drop down a flight.
You're not bouncing back and forth in different tours; you're hopping into different flights of the same tour. It's all the Challenge Circuit which is intended to be a place where you can hone your skills while competing against players that are approximately your ability.
If players who did well were never promoted, you'd be getting killed in lower flights by players who have improved immensely and belong in upper tiers or on a pro tour.
The setup is not broken. It's probably the best possible setup.
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Post by curtmantle on Jun 18, 2016 12:13:25 GMT -5
I still feel the 10 shot rule is flawed. A person playing on exemption can finish in the exemption places of the tour above and still not earn their card.
As an example, a CC-E player plays on exemption and finishes in the exemption places in CC-D but more than 10 shots behind the top exempted player. They then go on exemption into CC-C with a card for CC-E and if they fail they drop back to CC-E.
The current system leaves players in a lottery hoping that one exempted player doesn't tear the course up. The 10 shot rule is fine but if you finish in the exemption places of the flight above you should get the card regardless in my opinion.
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Post by INOVASHN on Jun 18, 2016 15:56:02 GMT -5
Right on
U can have your opinion and others will have theirs
I on the other hand will keep bouncing back and forth to the end of time between A and B on the challenge circuit
Have a great day
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