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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 11:22:30 GMT -5
Pin on the slope seems a bit excessive, would hate for someone to lose a match because of this: Was probably pay back for this on the 3rd hole
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Post by boomboom on Mar 1, 2016 12:03:07 GMT -5
Takes me back to cherry downs back in the day, texas scamble, 4 of us pretty decent golfers took half hour to 8 putt. They may ask me to calm it down, but I hope not.
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Post by Doyley on Mar 1, 2016 12:38:09 GMT -5
If you are below the hole and it only rolls back 6 feet on a missed putt I'm ok with that. Not going to call you out for poor putting but you made the same miss twice in a row Also, if you missed on the high end of that pin on your approach shot then I would have flopped and not chipped to try and use the backspin to keep it closer. It's not an ideal pin but again, if you missed a slow putt and it stops 6 feet away I'm good. If it had rolled 50 feet back it would have been an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 12:49:09 GMT -5
Fair enough, was the same at Doral this week missing the phantom putts. At least I know not to play break if I get that far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 19:20:31 GMT -5
This is when I'd like a ball to roll down a slope from a tee shot, instead of running up it and stopping there
Ended up aiming parallel to the slope and the ball still ran off the green with my putt........guess I should have flopped instead Tactic if I get in will now be to intentionally miss the green to take the chance out of ending up there again.
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Post by blueorfe on Mar 2, 2016 5:51:42 GMT -5
If a ball comes to a dead stop,within a couple of feet of a hole then starts moving backwards, that in my opinion is an unfair pin. The inconsistency doesn't help either. Why did the last putt not come back 5 feet aswell?
I don't have a problem with the pins location at all as it is a very short hole, just a slight flattening of a small circlular area around the pin is all that's needed, so that the ball will stay near the pin with an approach putt.
This course is fantastic, it doesn't need a pin like that IMO.
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Post by boomboom on Mar 2, 2016 7:14:44 GMT -5
To be clear, I will change anything I'm asked to, but asked to by the people running this great show.
However a course with holes like this are great in match play, otherwise all you are doing is waiting for the other guy to not birdie, and that in this game is not at all fun or interesting JMHO.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 2, 2016 9:00:58 GMT -5
If you are below the hole and it only rolls back 6 feet on a missed putt I'm ok with that. Not going to call you out for poor putting but you made the same miss twice in a row Also, if you missed on the high end of that pin on your approach shot then I would have flopped and not chipped to try and use the backspin to keep it closer. It's not an ideal pin but again, if you missed a slow putt and it stops 6 feet away I'm good. If it had rolled 50 feet back it would have been an issue. Not ideal? We should never have a pin on a red/yellow slope... like ever. Jeez. Agree with the flop. Flop with max loft would really stop the ball a lot closer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 9:01:41 GMT -5
Takes me back to cherry downs back in the day, texas scamble, 4 of us pretty decent golfers took half hour to 8 putt. They may ask me to calm it down, but I hope not. How do you get your putter to hover in place, move forward slightly and then hit the ball after a slight pause? Can you do the same with chips and flops to dial a distance? Just curious as flopping seems a crap shoot these days if trying to go 16 or 18 yards. Is it a mouse thing?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 9:06:54 GMT -5
If you are below the hole and it only rolls back 6 feet on a missed putt I'm ok with that. Not going to call you out for poor putting but you made the same miss twice in a row Also, if you missed on the high end of that pin on your approach shot then I would have flopped and not chipped to try and use the backspin to keep it closer. It's not an ideal pin but again, if you missed a slow putt and it stops 6 feet away I'm good. If it had rolled 50 feet back it would have been an issue. Not ideal? We should never have a pin on a red/yellow slope... like ever. Jeez. Agree with the flop. Flop with max loft would really stop the ball a lot closer. It was a practice round and was wondering what would have happened had the ball landed righ at the front of the green, i might suck these days but i'm not that much of an idiot to realise a Van Gaal flop was the best option
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 12:47:23 GMT -5
To be clear, I will change anything I'm asked to, but asked to by the people running this great show. However a course with holes like this are great in match play, otherwise all you are doing is waiting for the other guy to not birdie, and that in this game is not at all fun or interesting JMHO. Last comments then I'll leave you in peace. The only reason I posted this in the first place was the PS4 showed that out of the A-D Tour versions they had a total of 2 plays so I didnt know if a ranger or even yourself had played it since publishing. I've now played all 4 versions and enjoyed them all except for the 17th green as it doesn't seem possible to hold with a long approach on the C and D versions. I fully agree with your comments about having to wait for someone to miss a birdie (if someone shoots -18 then I may as well hang it up anyway). Just my opinion but I would have prefered to see some of the par 5's shortened to make them true risk/reward holes instead of them being Driver, 3W, SW or PW as having a putt for eagle seems more exciting than a par 5 that just basically turns into a 100yd Par 3. Same with the 8th hole, I would have loved to have seen that without the OB surrounding the green as I'm always a sucker for trying to drive that length hole, especially if you have to draw it around a tree and have to avoid rocks/bushes. Only issue I see with that is if the scores go by total for 18 holes instead of per hole then someone could get screwed if they have to take a 12 if they end up inside a rock? Enough rambling, thanks for making the course.
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Post by Doyley on Mar 2, 2016 18:32:39 GMT -5
Only issue I see with that is if the scores go by total for 18 holes instead of per hole then someone could get screwed if they have to take a 12 if they end up inside a rock? We'll do hole by hole scoring this year now that we have the API. Will have some info posted in the coming days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 19:10:15 GMT -5
Only issue I see with that is if the scores go by total for 18 holes instead of per hole then someone could get screwed if they have to take a 12 if they end up inside a rock? We'll do hole by hole scoring this year now that we have the API. Will have some info posted in the coming days. Great news, cheers Scott.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 11, 2016 20:16:38 GMT -5
If you are below the hole and it only rolls back 6 feet on a missed putt I'm ok with that. Not going to call you out for poor putting but you made the same miss twice in a row Also, if you missed on the high end of that pin on your approach shot then I would have flopped and not chipped to try and use the backspin to keep it closer. It's not an ideal pin but again, if you missed a slow putt and it stops 6 feet away I'm good. If it had rolled 50 feet back it would have been an issue. I just tried this setup. I ended up 8 feet past the hole and putting uphill. It was 4 inches up hill, I hit it and it stopped about 1-2 inches from the hole and rolled back to my feet. If the 8 foot putt was straight uphill or just a little break, okay, but the next putt had 2 separate breaks in it. Missed it again and i'm now 10 feet away with 3 breaks. So it isn't just .. oops didn't hit it hard enough to get it up the hill, it is dealing with the several breaks within an 8 -10 foot putt knowing if you miss you are rolling back for a similarly difficult putt. Four feet may be gimmie range for most but 8-10 feet is not when you are talking with breaks. I watched a video of a person who missed it on the left, it rolled past the hole then back in from the backside. Not intended but i guess it works. My putt was to the right of where Chrash was so mine rolled further down. Honestly Doyley, I understand making things difficult, but having a hole located on a yellow slope with red/yellow surrounding it by 2 grids minimum in all directions with multiple breaks is going beyond competitive golf and into the realm of absurdity. The course itself is difficult and bordering on crazy at times but with some good course management it is workable. #17 on this round there isn't really much about course management. The only place to really putt from is below the hole and depending where you are, you will have 2 or 3 breaks going up a steep hill. Putting should not be automatic, but there is such a thing as "lag" putting, you know where you are aiming for a 3-4 foot diameter within the hole? This pin placement makes that concept impossible. Simply move the hole down 1 or two grids. Easy fix and no reason not to.
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Post by boomboom on Mar 12, 2016 0:25:23 GMT -5
Seriously, 1 hole is tough and we must exaggerate to get rid of it.
Not sure what people expect in a major wgc championship, match play to boot.
Seriously tried to explain the way the hole must be played in the chat but all I got was I ended up 10 feet from the hole, it's not fair, boo hoo etc.
I can change it, maybe chop down some trees and flatten the green if asked.
This event is supposed to be for elite players, elite players should be able to handle a tough hole without freaking out IMHO.
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