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Post by pablo on Feb 16, 2016 11:59:30 GMT -5
Ya...this course is out of my league at the moment. I'll forfeit my 1st round match FWIW...I shot a 72...which will be a loss anyway I shot 68 Jim. And left strokes out there.
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Post by catcherman22 on Feb 16, 2016 12:12:28 GMT -5
Doh! I posted my scores as -2 instead of stroke totals. -2 front 9 -3 back 9 -5. Could somebody let me know what that is in strokes please so I can resubmit my score correctly. Cheers You Don't need to resubmit.. I can figure it out lol
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Post by catcherman22 on Feb 16, 2016 12:14:50 GMT -5
If you shot a 72 then I don't think it's out of your league. It's par When I see guys carding 58's and 59's...ya...out of my league. I'd like to see these match plays and stablefords run on courses that everyone has the chance to light up...that way you'll get more upsets. The better players are gonna score better on the tougher courses..they play them all the time and are used to the 187 greens. It's like night and day for me compared to CC courses. Yea this is a tough one... I tried to pick a course that would be fair to all. I am determined to use some newer courses, and a lot of them are coming out firm/fast, so its hard to pick a good course.
Like was said though.. it wouldn't be a good competition on TGC if there wasn't complaints about the course.. lol look at the current PGA thread in regards to Riviera.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:19:57 GMT -5
When I see guys carding 58's and 59's...ya...out of my league. I'd like to see these match plays and stablefords run on courses that everyone has the chance to light up...that way you'll get more upsets. The better players are gonna score better on the tougher courses..they play them all the time and are used to the 187 greens. It's like night and day for me compared to CC courses. Yea this is a tough one... I tried to pick a course that would be fair to all. I am determined to use some newer courses, and a lot of them are coming out firm/fast, so its hard to pick a good course.
Like was said though.. it wouldn't be a good competition on TGC if there wasn't complaints about the course.. lol look at the current PGA thread in regards to Riviera.
It's a requirement to cry about SOMETHING in the PGA thread. You take that oath when you get your card.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 16, 2016 12:25:45 GMT -5
In terms of course difficulty the belfry was a gud choice imo...not too easy where ul see -18 or -19 & not too hard where were lots of ppl will go over par...i think courses of that difficulty is fine for this competition.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 16, 2016 12:38:23 GMT -5
In terms of course difficulty the belfry was a gud choice imo...not too easy where ul see -18 or -19 & not too hard where were lots of ppl will go over par...i think courses of that difficulty is fine for this competition. Everyone loves the underdog in life though. A course such as this can almost be dictated that 90% of the players seeded higher and in the higher tiers will win round 1. I'd rather see a friggin dart board/birdie fest where even the lowest ranked person could shoot -15..that way you never know what will happen and EVERYONE is on an equal playing field. Just my opinion of how the "fun" tournaments should be run. Not as one sided.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 16, 2016 12:45:59 GMT -5
In terms of course difficulty the belfry was a gud choice imo...not too easy where ul see -18 or -19 & not too hard where were lots of ppl will go over par...i think courses of that difficulty is fine for this competition. Everyone loves the underdog in life though. A course such as this can almost be dictated that 90% of the players seeded higher and in the higher tiers will win round 1. I'd rather see a friggin dart board/birdie fest where even the lowest ranked person could shoot -15..that way you never know what will happen and EVERYONE is on an equal playing field. Just my opinion of how the "fun" tournaments should be run. Not as one sided. I think whatever % of top seeds go thru 1st rnd wud only be replicated if the course was easy like Little Brook Manor. I dont see the logic in thinkin the seeded player will win by x amount of shots but if it was an easier course the unseeded player wud be able to close the gap. Whatever the course is its the same for all players. It wud be no fun if it was dart throwin competions every week where if u par a hole its 100% a dropped shot to ur opponent. Courses tat yield between -8 to -14ish as the top score leave enough room to make up for bad holes. The course rec on the belfry on ps4 is -17....so it can hardly be deemed a course thats to hard. We hav so many players of so many skill levels we jus need to accept that not everyone is capable of hitting -15 every rnd...unless we play at little brook manor every week.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 16, 2016 12:52:56 GMT -5
Everyone loves the underdog in life though. A course such as this can almost be dictated that 90% of the players seeded higher and in the higher tiers will win round 1. I'd rather see a friggin dart board/birdie fest where even the lowest ranked person could shoot -15..that way you never know what will happen and EVERYONE is on an equal playing field. Just my opinion of how the "fun" tournaments should be run. Not as one sided. I think whatever % of top seeds go thru 1st rnd wud only be replicated if the course was easy like Little Brook Manor. I dont see the logic in thinkin the seeded player will win by x amount of shots but if it was an easier course the unseeded player wud be able to close the gap. Whatever the course is its the same for all players. It wud be no fun if it was dart throwin competions every week where if u par a hole its 100% a dropped shot to ur opponent. Courses tat yield between -8 to -14ish as the top score leave enough room to make up for bad holes. The course rec on the belfry on ps4 is -17....so it can hardly be deemed a course thats to hard. We hav so many players of so many skill levels we jus need to accept that not everyone is capable of hitting -15 every rnd...unless we play at little brook manor every week. Maybe the way to go is medium greens then. Everyone should agree that the Pro Tours are at an advantage over CC players when playing 187's. I don't know about anyone else...but I would have love to have seen a few players seeded around 100 and lower make it past the 1st round by beating a few in the Pro's
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 16, 2016 12:58:26 GMT -5
I think whatever % of top seeds go thru 1st rnd wud only be replicated if the course was easy like Little Brook Manor. I dont see the logic in thinkin the seeded player will win by x amount of shots but if it was an easier course the unseeded player wud be able to close the gap. Whatever the course is its the same for all players. It wud be no fun if it was dart throwin competions every week where if u par a hole its 100% a dropped shot to ur opponent. Courses tat yield between -8 to -14ish as the top score leave enough room to make up for bad holes. The course rec on the belfry on ps4 is -17....so it can hardly be deemed a course thats to hard. We hav so many players of so many skill levels we jus need to accept that not everyone is capable of hitting -15 every rnd...unless we play at little brook manor every week. Mybe the way to go is medium greens then. Everyone should agree that the Pro Tours are at an advantage over CC players when playing 187's Id agree tat the pro tour players play on max speed greens more often, absolutely. But, all courses are available to all players. I can assure u jus because i play in max speed greens all the tine doesn mean im immune to havin bad rnds on them. My advice to anyone who wants to do well on any given course is to practice it once oe twice before ur event match so ur used to all facets of the course. Also jus because the 1st course was played in certain course conditions doesn mean it will be the same every round.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 16, 2016 13:00:25 GMT -5
Mybe the way to go is medium greens then. Everyone should agree that the Pro Tours are at an advantage over CC players when playing 187's Also just because the 1st course was played in certain course conditions doesn mean it will be the same every round. Doesn't help all the 1st round losers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 13:02:33 GMT -5
I think whatever % of top seeds go thru 1st rnd wud only be replicated if the course was easy like Little Brook Manor. I dont see the logic in thinkin the seeded player will win by x amount of shots but if it was an easier course the unseeded player wud be able to close the gap. Whatever the course is its the same for all players. It wud be no fun if it was dart throwin competions every week where if u par a hole its 100% a dropped shot to ur opponent. Courses tat yield between -8 to -14ish as the top score leave enough room to make up for bad holes. The course rec on the belfry on ps4 is -17....so it can hardly be deemed a course thats to hard. We hav so many players of so many skill levels we jus need to accept that not everyone is capable of hitting -15 every rnd...unless we play at little brook manor every week. Maybe the way to go is medium greens then. Everyone should agree that the Pro Tours are at an advantage over CC players when playing 187's. I don't know about anyone else...but I would have love to have seen a few players seeded around 100 and lower make it past the 1st round by beating a few in the Pro's Definitely agree with this Jim. Would I what say however, like I said in an earlier post, is if us CC guys want to be hitting the Pro circuits then these are the greens we need to experience and get accustom too. In my opinion if you can tame these types of greens then you've always got a chance. I think the chap I'm playing is #84 in the WGR so I don't expect my 65 to beat him. Had I had more practice on these greens (heck I didn't even practice the course!) then I reckon I and most of us CC-ers could reduce our scores substantially. Practice definitely makes perfect.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 16, 2016 13:05:03 GMT -5
Also just because the 1st course was played in certain course conditions doesn mean it will be the same every round. Doesn't help all the 1st round losers Its a bit much to blame the course conditions for losin a match...some ppl will perform better than others....the higher seeds are higher seeds for a reason. Im sure all seeds wont go thru, what will the ones who lose say? Like i said we all hav different skill levels and the results will reflect those skill levels in the main, wit a few exceptions im sure.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 16, 2016 13:06:29 GMT -5
Maybe the way to go is medium greens then. Everyone should agree that the Pro Tours are at an advantage over CC players when playing 187's. I don't know about anyone else...but I would have love to have seen a few players seeded around 100 and lower make it past the 1st round by beating a few in the Pro's Definitely agree with this Jim. Would I what say however, like I said in an earlier post, is if us CC guys want to be hitting the Pro circuits then these are the greens we need to experience and get accustom too. In my opinion if you can tame these types of greens then you've always got a chance. I think the chap I'm playing is #84 in the WGR so I don't expect my 65 to beat him. Had I had more practice on these greens (heck I didn't even practice the course!) then I reckon I and most of us CC-ers could reduce our scores substantially. Practice definitely makes perfect. With everything happening in CC...for us to go out and practice solely on 187's to get better would actually put us behind in CC. The ball just reacts so much differently our game(those who are making a charge right now) would suffer immensely.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 16, 2016 13:08:19 GMT -5
Doesn't help all the 1st round losers Its a bit much to blame the course conditions for losin a match...some ppl will perform better than others....the higher seeds are higher seeds for a reason. Im sure all seeds wont go thru, what will the ones who lose say? Like i said we all hav different skill levels and the results will reflect those skill levels in the main, wit a few exceptions im sure. Not blaming the course at all....not once did I say the course made me shoot poorly. I said..the playing field could hardly be considered level when looking at Pros vs CC BECAUSE of the course selection.I don't blame a course for my own short-comings. But I do point out when someone has a distinct advantage over me. Which I feel is the case here. Not everyone will agree...just like not everyone will agree on a course I just think it would be better for TGCT in general if someone came out of this crop that was a CC player...imagine the waves it would create in the lower tiers. Feel good story. Anyways...i'm done...as soon as someone fails to see my point and opinion and only sees b%&ing..I walk away.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 16, 2016 13:12:09 GMT -5
I don't consider myself an elite but a fairly decent golfer. I played one of the Web CC courses the other day with a friend and I shot -16 and he, who is on the tour, shot -9. The folks on the PGA are there for a reason. I like an event like this because where else are the folks on the Web tour going to get a shot to play with / against the PGA/Euro? I look at this like the NCAA Men's Basketball tourney, anyone can win on a particular day and it is so fun when the cinderella pulls it off.
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