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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 14:35:14 GMT -5
I know that this will never be done but I'm going to suggest it anyway.
If somebody finishes Q School and doesn't play in his first tournament within 30 days, he should have to requalify for Q School again after the 30 day period.
Why?
Currently, there is a sponsor exempt player (E Class playing in D Class this week) who is playing in his 2nd tournament. He shot 41 under last week and 51 under this week.
Here is his story as told to me by him personally.
He did Q School and stunk it up. which is why he was put in E Class. He went back to work on his game and then came back months later to play his first event.
He is scoring better than players in A class playing the same course.
It isn't fair to the other sponsor exempt players when somebody does this. IMO, it's no different than sandbagging, even though in his case it wasn't intentional. He saw he wasn't good enough to compete so after bombing out in Q School he worked on his game. Fine. But then he should have to re-take Q School when he comes back so he's placed in the tier he belongs.
I know a lot of people are going to say this is sour grapes. It's not. It's like having to play against Tiger Woods just because he decided to not play for X number of years competitively after qualifying for the class, and expecting to have any chance to win or even come close.
I know this will never be changed, but it isn't fair. In fact, it's discouraging when this sort of thing is allowed to happen.
Anyway, I've spoken my piece and now I'm going to get myself ready for next week's tourney back in E Class where I belong and quite happy.
No need to respond to this. I had to vent and like I said, I know this is one rule that will never be put in place.
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Post by yaters on Feb 10, 2016 1:55:00 GMT -5
Seems like a reasonable rule to me honestly. So basically you are saying that you lose your qualification from Q-school if you don't participate in a tournament for a period of time (30 days - maybe 45 or 60?)
The only drawback I see is people being discouraged by having to go through Q-school again. That's a pretty grueling tournament.
Like you said, the guy wasn't intentionally trying to cheat the system. Might have been more appropriate if he played in the tour while working on his game. I don't know how often this happens though. For every case like that, there is probably a case where someone just can't participate for a time. I don't think it would out of bounds to require them to go through Q-school again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 5:01:48 GMT -5
Wag, if you re-read my first post in response to yours I didn't play Q-School and then leave it months to play again. For clarity, I purchased the game after it came out (back in 2014 if I recall) and played it for a few months on my Xbox before I sold the console. I purchased a PS4 approximately 12 months later (just over a month ago) followed by the game immediately after, signed up at TGC Tours and headed straight into Q-School without any practice, not taking into account the amount of updates that had changed the game over that 12 month period. I played my first tournament within a week of Q-School and within that time, I have accustomed myself to the changes, quickly primarily to the fact that I obviously had previous experience of the game.
You state no need to respond yet you feel you have to vent your frustration, and so far your last couple of threads have been created because of your frustration against me being 'new' to the game and posting better scores than you so I feel I have every right to respond as it's unfair. I was hoping to join the forums to meet fellow players and have some banter along the way and all I seem to be doing so far is defending myself. Now I'm sure there are people on the tour who are 'sandbagging' but I am not one of them so I don't like to hear me being affiliated with this term. I have absolutely no interest in winning virtual trophies and I play the game because I enjoy it. Winning or doing well is not a priority for me, as it would appear to be for others.
So please, can you put an end to this and just enjoy the game because at the end of the day it is just that....... a game.
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Post by fuzion on Feb 10, 2016 5:37:00 GMT -5
We have added a warning to Q-School registration about the difficulty of the courses, and how you should have a bit of a practice after buying TGC before attempting Q-School.
Paul, welcome back to TGCTours, we hope you enjoy your time here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 7:03:34 GMT -5
Wag, if you re-read my first post in response to yours I didn't play Q-School and then leave it months to play again. For clarity, I purchased the game after it came out (back in 2014 if I recall) and played it for a few months on my Xbox before I sold the console. I purchased a PS4 approximately 12 months later (just over a month ago) followed by the game immediately after, signed up at TGC Tours and headed straight into Q-School without any practice, not taking into account the amount of updates that had changed the game over that 12 month period. I played my first tournament within a week of Q-School and within that time, I have accustomed myself to the changes, quickly primarily to the fact that I obviously had previous experience of the game. You state no need to respond yet you feel you have to vent your frustration, and so far your last couple of threads have been created because of your frustration against me being 'new' to the game and posting better scores than you so I feel I have every right to respond as it's unfair. I was hoping to join the forums to meet fellow players and have some banter along the way and all I seem to be doing so far is defending myself. Now I'm sure there are people on the tour who are 'sandbagging' but I am not one of them so I don't like to hear me being affiliated with this term. I have absolutely no interest in winning virtual trophies and I play the game because I enjoy it. Winning or doing well is not a priority for me, as it would appear to be for others. So please, can you put an end to this and just enjoy the game because at the end of the day it is just that....... a game. So let me make sure I understand this correctly now. In one week's time, you went from totally stinking up Q School to the point where you were put in E class (Even I was put in D Class after Q School and I didn't know how to play yet) to playing at PGA level. Well my friend, you are one amazing dude. I tip my cap to you. And with that, I am done with this because it's just not worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 7:17:23 GMT -5
Wag, if you re-read my first post in response to yours I didn't play Q-School and then leave it months to play again. For clarity, I purchased the game after it came out (back in 2014 if I recall) and played it for a few months on my Xbox before I sold the console. I purchased a PS4 approximately 12 months later (just over a month ago) followed by the game immediately after, signed up at TGC Tours and headed straight into Q-School without any practice, not taking into account the amount of updates that had changed the game over that 12 month period. I played my first tournament within a week of Q-School and within that time, I have accustomed myself to the changes, quickly primarily to the fact that I obviously had previous experience of the game. You state no need to respond yet you feel you have to vent your frustration, and so far your last couple of threads have been created because of your frustration against me being 'new' to the game and posting better scores than you so I feel I have every right to respond as it's unfair. I was hoping to join the forums to meet fellow players and have some banter along the way and all I seem to be doing so far is defending myself. Now I'm sure there are people on the tour who are 'sandbagging' but I am not one of them so I don't like to hear me being affiliated with this term. I have absolutely no interest in winning virtual trophies and I play the game because I enjoy it. Winning or doing well is not a priority for me, as it would appear to be for others. So please, can you put an end to this and just enjoy the game because at the end of the day it is just that....... a game. So let me make sure I understand this correctly now. In one week's time, you went from totally stinking up Q School to the point where you were put in E class (Even I was put in D Class after Q School and I didn't know how to play yet) to playing at PGA level. Well my friend, you are one amazing dude. I tip my cap to you. And with that, I am done with this because it's just not worth it. How is +30 for Q-School or an average of +5 per round on more difficult courses stinking up??? Not that I need to explain myself to you, I had a week off work after commencing Q-School and played it literally 2-3 hours a day that week so, like I've already told you (though it clearly isn't going into your head) all it took for me was to adjust to the changes from when I last played. Those were mainly the winds, which were far stronger than I can remember and my clicking method for counteracting those winds were no longer the same but 2-3 hours a day for a week, in my opinion, sorts that. Once I started to understand those and a few other adjustments like flop shots, which had also altered somewhat, then it became much easier so yes some of us can improve in a short space of time. I try to explain myself to you but it goes in one ear and out the other with you. For 58, you really are rather sad. I don't like to insult people but you have done nothing but to me. Some people can pick up and play games quicker than others. You simply cannot accept this. I hope you are done too because you are frankly pathetic. Edit: Finally, just to add. My scores wouldn't even be leading CC-A and are only a fraction ahead of CC-B and C (and I'm not even leading on my own tour on D) so I'm hardly at PGA level based on that. If I was leading the higher tours by a country mile then I could somewhat understand your obsession with me. |
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Post by mrooola on Feb 10, 2016 7:31:01 GMT -5
So let me make sure I understand this correctly now. In one week's time, you went from totally stinking up Q School to the point where you were put in E class (Even I was put in D Class after Q School and I didn't know how to play yet) to playing at PGA level. Well my friend, you are one amazing dude. I tip my cap to you. And with that, I am done with this because it's just not worth it. How is +30 for Q-School or an average of +5 per round on more difficult courses stinking up??? Not that I need to explain myself to you, I had a week off work after commencing Q-School and played it literally 2-3 hours a day that week so, like I've already told you (though it clearly isn't going into your head) all it took for me was to adjust to the changes from when I last played. Those were mainly the winds, which were far stronger than I can remember and my clicking method for counteracting those winds were no longer the same but 2-3 hours a day for a couple of days, in my opinion, sorts that. Once I started to understand those and a few other adjustments like flop shots, which had also altered somewhat, then it became much easier so yes some of us can improve in a short space of time. I try to explain myself to you but it goes in one ear and out the other with you. For 58, you really are rather sad. I don't like to insult people but you have done nothing but to me. Some people can pick up and play games quicker than others. You simply cannot accept this. I hope you are done too because you are frankly pathetic. Welcome back to the tour dude! You are most welcome. It was kind of you to explain yourself to begin with even though it wasn't nessesary. You have nothing to be sorry about and will be joining the pro tours soon enough if you keep shooting like this. This has been explained before. Q-school isn't perfect, but it works. If someone ends up in the "wrong" flight it will sort it self out. You are a prime example of this. Rocketing through the ranks from where you didn't belong. Good players advance. Case closed. Again. Welcome! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 7:45:11 GMT -5
How is +30 for Q-School or an average of +5 per round on more difficult courses stinking up??? Not that I need to explain myself to you, I had a week off work after commencing Q-School and played it literally 2-3 hours a day that week so, like I've already told you (though it clearly isn't going into your head) all it took for me was to adjust to the changes from when I last played. Those were mainly the winds, which were far stronger than I can remember and my clicking method for counteracting those winds were no longer the same but 2-3 hours a day for a couple of days, in my opinion, sorts that. Once I started to understand those and a few other adjustments like flop shots, which had also altered somewhat, then it became much easier so yes some of us can improve in a short space of time. I try to explain myself to you but it goes in one ear and out the other with you. For 58, you really are rather sad. I don't like to insult people but you have done nothing but to me. Some people can pick up and play games quicker than others. You simply cannot accept this. I hope you are done too because you are frankly pathetic. Welcome back to the tour dude! You are most welcome. It was kind of you to explain yourself to begin with even though it wasn't nessesary. You have nothing to be sorry about and will be joining the pro tours soon enough if you keep shooting like this. This has been explained before. Q-school isn't perfect, but it works. If someone ends up in the "wrong" flight it will sort it self out. You are a prime example of this. Rocketing through the ranks from where you didn't belong. Good players advance. Case closed. Again. Welcome! Thank you mrooola, I really appreciate that. Sadly this is not the way I intended to introduce myself to TGC Tours and it's a shame it has come about this way, through no fault of my own. I would gladly take Q-School again and then be placed accordingly based on that performance given I've now put a number of hours into the game since I returned to it. If that's allowed then I'll happily accept the invitation as all I want to do is play on the tour and not offend people along the way. Again, if my scores were far beyond those on the higher tours then I could understand but they are not. I've probably played out of my skin to achieve those scores, with a little luck along the way. It's a shame that some people can't accept that but such is life. |
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Post by mrooola on Feb 10, 2016 7:49:29 GMT -5
Welcome back to the tour dude! You are most welcome. It was kind of you to explain yourself to begin with even though it wasn't nessesary. You have nothing to be sorry about and will be joining the pro tours soon enough if you keep shooting like this. This has been explained before. Q-school isn't perfect, but it works. If someone ends up in the "wrong" flight it will sort it self out. You are a prime example of this. Rocketing through the ranks from where you didn't belong. Good players advance. Case closed. Again. Welcome! Thank you mrooola, I really appreciate that. Sadly this is not the way I intended to introduce myself to TGC Tours and it's a shame it has come about this way, through no fault of my own. I would gladly take Q-School again and then be placed accordingly based on that performance given I've now put a number of hours into the game since I returned to it. If that's allowed then I'll happily accept the invitation as all I want to do is play on the tour and not offend people along the way. Again, if my scores were far beyond those on the higher tours then I could understand but they are not. I've probably played out of my skin to achieve those scores, with a little luck along the way. It's a shame that some people can't accept that but such is life. I think there would be around 300 players or more ranging from CC-D to Web who would love a new crack at the Q-school. Don't worry about it. You'll get there I'm sure. For now you are stuck with the CC tour and it's many fantastic members and me who will do my best to spoil your week with my course selections =) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 9:28:34 GMT -5
So let me make sure I understand this correctly now. In one week's time, you went from totally stinking up Q School to the point where you were put in E class (Even I was put in D Class after Q School and I didn't know how to play yet) to playing at PGA level. Well my friend, you are one amazing dude. I tip my cap to you. And with that, I am done with this because it's just not worth it. How is +30 for Q-School or an average of +5 per round on more difficult courses stinking up??? Not that I need to explain myself to you, I had a week off work after commencing Q-School and played it literally 2-3 hours a day that week so, like I've already told you (though it clearly isn't going into your head) all it took for me was to adjust to the changes from when I last played. Those were mainly the winds, which were far stronger than I can remember and my clicking method for counteracting those winds were no longer the same but 2-3 hours a day for a week, in my opinion, sorts that. Once I started to understand those and a few other adjustments like flop shots, which had also altered somewhat, then it became much easier so yes some of us can improve in a short space of time. I try to explain myself to you but it goes in one ear and out the other with you. For 58, you really are rather sad. I don't like to insult people but you have done nothing but to me. Some people can pick up and play games quicker than others. You simply cannot accept this. I hope you are done too because you are frankly pathetic. Edit: Finally, just to add. My scores wouldn't even be leading CC-A and are only a fraction ahead of CC-B and C (and I'm not even leading on my own tour on D) so I'm hardly at PGA level based on that. If I was leading the higher tours by a country mile then I could somewhat understand your obsession with me. I am sorry if I have offended you. It was not my intention. FTR, I went through the new Q School (unofficially) and shot +8, 3 shots short of CC-C. I am in no way that good. Thank God I didn't actually start now and take Q School officially. I'd be down in E Class inside of 6 weeks. You are clearly a superior golfer to me. I mean we're talking leaps and bounds. I wish you nothing but success and am positive you will be in the PGA tour within 2 or 3 months tops. You belong there and I wish you well. And now this pathetic person is going to get to work, which is what I should have been doing when this morning started. Have a nice day all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 9:48:35 GMT -5
How is +30 for Q-School or an average of +5 per round on more difficult courses stinking up??? Not that I need to explain myself to you, I had a week off work after commencing Q-School and played it literally 2-3 hours a day that week so, like I've already told you (though it clearly isn't going into your head) all it took for me was to adjust to the changes from when I last played. Those were mainly the winds, which were far stronger than I can remember and my clicking method for counteracting those winds were no longer the same but 2-3 hours a day for a week, in my opinion, sorts that. Once I started to understand those and a few other adjustments like flop shots, which had also altered somewhat, then it became much easier so yes some of us can improve in a short space of time. I try to explain myself to you but it goes in one ear and out the other with you. For 58, you really are rather sad. I don't like to insult people but you have done nothing but to me. Some people can pick up and play games quicker than others. You simply cannot accept this. I hope you are done too because you are frankly pathetic. Edit: Finally, just to add. My scores wouldn't even be leading CC-A and are only a fraction ahead of CC-B and C (and I'm not even leading on my own tour on D) so I'm hardly at PGA level based on that. If I was leading the higher tours by a country mile then I could somewhat understand your obsession with me. I am sorry if I have offended you. It was not my intention. FTR, I went through the new Q School (unofficially) and shot +8, 3 shots short of CC-C. I am in no way that good. Thank God I didn't actually start now and take Q School officially. I'd be down in E Class inside of 6 weeks. You are clearly a superior golfer to me. I mean we're talking leaps and bounds. I wish you nothing but success and am positive you will be in the PGA tour within 2 or 3 months tops. You belong there and I wish you well. And now this pathetic person is going to get to work, which is what I should have been doing when this morning started. Have a nice day all. I completely respect that response Wag so I sincerely thank you and I apologise as such for calling you pathetic. All I am trying to do is be honest with you and hope you understand my brash responses when it has come across to be a personal thing against me. Briefly going back to Q-School, I absolutely wished I had cooled off after a few holes and got some practice in but if I recall correctly, I finished Q-School on the very last day of January hence my rush through. Having around a week to accustom to the changes before my first tournament on CC-E, playing a few hours a day as said really can change your game, as I'm sure others could testify. It certainly did from my perspective. I too will leave it there but would like to say thank you once again for coming back with a very dignified response. If you get the chance to know me, you will see that I am a very nice person. I don't like losing my patience and would only do so when people are wrong to judge me or accuse me of something I am not or haven't done. Best wishes and thank you for a third time! |
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Post by yaters on Feb 12, 2016 2:29:25 GMT -5
Well @papapaul, the situation makes sense to me. I hope you understand I wasn't jumping on some type of bandwagon with my initial post. Obviously I didn't know the scenario with all the facts.
I do still think it would be reasonable to make sure people that qualify from Q-school should have to start playing in their assigned tour or lose that qualification.
But again, I meant no offense to you. In fact, glad you are here and improving quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 13:07:45 GMT -5
Well @papapaul , the situation makes sense to me. I hope you understand I wasn't jumping on some type of bandwagon with my initial post. Obviously I didn't know the scenario with all the facts. I do still think it would be reasonable to make sure people that qualify from Q-school should have to start playing in their assigned tour or lose that qualification. But again, I meant no offense to you. In fact, glad you are here and improving quickly. Hi Yaters. Thanks for your post and no offence caused. I was obviously only trying to get my point across that I hadn't left Q-school for a long period and then of course things got a little heated thereafter between @wagtunes and I but I've since contacted Wag via private message as I don't like falling out with people. I read other forums where people are off with one another and it's a shame things can't always be civil but then I guess the world would be a boring place if we all agreed with everything that was said! Getting back on topic, I agree with Wag that if you don't play a tournament for a certain amount of time then perhaps replaying Q-School would be fair but then isn't there already something in place where you lose your tour card if you don't participate in tournaments for a particular length of time (I'm sure I stumbled across it before)? |
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Post by Jason White on May 1, 2016 1:50:05 GMT -5
I've read quite a bit of the replies here and I have to say I agree and disagree and I'll explain why. I do agree that you can be on CC-Z and take some personal time away from tournaments for a while and do nothing but practice and come back and destroy folks in that division... Now, here is the downside of making someone go through Q-School again... You would have tons of people that would purposely stop playing for a month so that they could do Q-School again and try and earn their Web.com / PGA / Euro Card outright instead of having to earn it like you do now... If i had the option to do that I would have stopped playing a month ago because I know I'm good enough to play on the PGA and Euro tour now so it would have been so much easier to do it that way... Instead I spent months and months going from CC-E to D to C to winning B and Winning A to finishing 3rd in my first Web and now finally getting to play my first Euro event this week... And guess what I started out fantastic so I had to do it the hard way which was perfectly fine... I loved the challenge! But i can def. see both sides of the argument here.  |
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