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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:00:41 GMT -5
Hosted the RBC Canadian Open 2014, President’s Cup 2007 and Canadian Open 2001.
Green Speed = Medium Fast Firmness = Medium
Par: 70
Yardage: 7,153 yards
OUT
Par 35 – 3,524 yards
IN
Par 35 – 3,629 yards
Hole 1
Par 4 – 444 yards
It’s a slight uphill dogleg left where a 300-yard plus drive is needed to carry a fairway bunker in the left. The green is kidney-shaped, narrows at the front while the back left slopes away.
Hole 2
Par 4 – 385 yards
This is a dogleg right that rolls slightly downhill and is driveable from the tee especially with help of the prevailing wind. The green runs perpendicular to the fairway and in addition to being guarded by deep bunker on the left, features several distinct spines and slopes to the right.
Hole 3
Par 4 – 437 yards
A dogleg to the right, it requires an accurate second shot to an elevated green which slopes to the back and guarded by bunkers on both sides.
Hole 4
Par 4 – 501 yards
The most difficult hole on the front nine usually plays into the prevailing southwest wind. The dogleg left uphill has a narrow landing area between fairway bunkers and a green protected by bunkers on the left and right front sides.
Hole 5
Par 3 – 203 yards
Another kidney-shaped and elevated green, there are bunkers left and right.
Hole 6
Par 5 – 570 yards
The dogleg right has a large green which sits on a plateau and is angled toward the fairway. Deep bunkers guard the front and there is a series of more at the back on this the first of only two par-5s on the entire course.
Hole 7
Par 3 – 153 yards
It’s the shortest par 3, but the green is small, narrow and protected extremely well.
Hole 8
Par 4 – 394 yards
It’s a short dogleg left that and usually plays downwind. The green is generous, but not entirely visible from where players hit approach shots.
Hole 9
Par 4 – 437 yards
Similar to No. 1 as a slight dogleg left although not uphill, a carry of 320 yards off the tee is needed to take a bunker out of play on the left side of the fairway near the landing area. The elevated green is narrow at the front and has deep bunkers on both sides.
Hole 10
Par 4 – 460 yards
A large pond on the left side starts 160 yards from the green and continues all the way to it. Trees line the right side and the green features a “waterfall style surface” with the height increasing from front to back.
Hole 11
Par 4 – 476 yards
The drive from the tee is through a column of trees poised like sentries on either side. The hole doglegs slightly to the right and flows uphill to a sneaky green with ridge running down the centre of it.
Hole 12
Par 5 – 570 yards
The first of two new holes and a dogleg left, it plays downhill but has a generous landing zone bordered by bunkers on either side. The green is perched and protected by a complex of bunkers on the left side.
Hole 13
Par 3 – 224 yards
It’s the second of the two new holes created during the renovation before the 2007 Presidents Cup. It’s also the longest of four par-3s on the course and plays downhill to another narrow and well-bunkered green.
Hole 14
Par 4 – 369 yards
Water on the left and extends all the way to the green and trees line the right side of the fairway which narrows into a small landing area bunkered on the right. The approach shot is in to a green that also is narrow, small in the front and bunkered on the right.
Hole 15
Par 4 – 448 yards
Water again is a factor on the left side of the fairway and in front of and around the green. Bunkers on the right and a pot bunker at the back left between the green and the pond guard a long and narrow putting service.
Hole 16
Par 4 – 456 yards
Driver off the tee might not be the best option on a hole with a large pond that runs all along the left side. The approach shot is played over water to an elevated green that is protected by a huge bunker.
Hole 17
Par 3 – 160 yards
The prevailing wind blows across the green toward the pond on the right. The green is narrow and bunkered on the left side.
Hole 18
Par 4 – 466 yards
The 18th is the most challenging green on the course. Water is in play on the left side off the tee and the landing area where the fairway shifts to left and move slightly uphill to a plateaued green.
This is the hole where Weir in dramatic fashion won his Sunday singles match against Tiger Woods at the 2007 Presidents Cup.
Well, I hope you like, and I hope I hit a home run here. Situated in Montreal, Canada. |
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Post by skrec on Nov 22, 2014 2:00:55 GMT -5
played the front 9 (wife shut me down  ) and its been years since I've played there but this is pretty darn close to what I remember nice and challenging finished the front 9 in -1 and there was a lot of scrambling for that..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 4:56:59 GMT -5
I thought about it, thinking about it, bookmarked all my usual links already as well, Getting ready to do it, I know Abbey will be easy to play.
However to be honest, it's a ton of work and it's just relegated to complete obscurity. Had great fun last night and met some fine folks on teamspeak, we played a 5 some on Royal Montreal and the guys loved it, that felt good. Also the lowest the FPS went was 44.
I guess I have no chance of this ever hosting a Canadian Open here, since it just went to another fantasy course. Oh well, say la vie. |
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Post by skrec on Nov 22, 2014 13:41:16 GMT -5
if you decide to do the abby let me know i'll be more than happy to test for you and give whatever advice I can (I worked there for 3 years)
not sure what you mean as far as I know none of the tour courses have been set yet (just checked the website) and this one definitely has my vote for either the PGA or Web.com tours Canadian stop.. I really hope they don't all go to fantasy courses while they can be fun its getting a little out of hand now with the "creativity" no self respecting superintendent would leave a fallen tree across a fairway and expect to keep his job.. that's just one example I can think of off the top of my head I'm sure there are thousands more
gonna go play the back 9 now hopefully some birdies to be had *update* 13 mph winds more like bogeys to be had haha finished at E |
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Post by bentfivewood on Nov 22, 2014 15:57:13 GMT -5
if you decide to do the abby let me know i'll be more than happy to test for you and give whatever advice I can (I worked there for 3 years)
not sure what you mean as far as I know none of the tour courses have been set yet (just checked the website) and this one definitely has my vote for either the PGA or Web.com tours Canadian stop.. I really hope they don't all go to fantasy courses while they can be fun its getting a little out of hand now with the "creativity" no self respecting superintendent would leave a fallen tree across a fairway and expect to keep his job.. that's just one example I can think of off the top of my head I'm sure there are thousands more
gonna go play the back 9 now hopefully some birdies to be had *update* 13 mph winds more like bogeys to be had haha finished at E Sounds like you just volunteered to do it! I started but I just could not nail down the layout. By the way Steve, you can access the topographical maps provided to the pros of the entire course. Here's the link. www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/882300-2013-rbc-canadian-open-glen-abbey-gc-yardage-book-and-greens-contours/ |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 17:04:24 GMT -5
if you decide to do the abby let me know i'll be more than happy to test for you and give whatever advice I can (I worked there for 3 years)
not sure what you mean as far as I know none of the tour courses have been set yet (just checked the website) and this one definitely has my vote for either the PGA or Web.com tours Canadian stop.. I really hope they don't all go to fantasy courses while they can be fun its getting a little out of hand now with the "creativity" no self respecting superintendent would leave a fallen tree across a fairway and expect to keep his job.. that's just one example I can think of off the top of my head I'm sure there are thousands more
gonna go play the back 9 now hopefully some birdies to be had *update* 13 mph winds more like bogeys to be had haha finished at E Opened up Week 10 PGA, and there it said "Canadian Open". Had to close it again, cannot bring my self yet to play it, may give it a pass altogether, I don't know, I'll see I how I feel later, but right now not so good. After all the 2014 Canadian Open was held where? Hmmm not sure, I might have forgot, or I'm just senile in my old age.
Thanks Scott, Built hole 1, or 8 today, did not have the info you provided, I went back to work on a fantasy I'm creating.
OK Skrec and Scott, do you want the Canadian Open rejigged holes and re-par holes, or Glen Abbey as the normal folk get to play it. That's why I went back to my fantasy, I'm tossed up, either way it has no hope of beating out some fantasy track, It's a nice track, but it has no falling logs, greens perched on stone walls, split island fairways with huge trees, perfectly trimmed 1 foot wide rough, weeds scattered all over, trampoline greens, mountains bordering the fairway, or ditches on all the holes. All it has to compete with these fantasy tracks that are so widely adored is 16 mile creek and the closest it comes to a ditch is hole 11 from off the cliff, Vijay called it a ditch in 2003 I believe when he bogied the hole in all 4 rounds.
So tell me, I'm on the fence which layout?
That book you gave me Scott is way cool as well, Thank you.
So I have also the elevation api from google, google maps, some photo's and some notes. I'll take any and all info. Individual Hole photo's would be great, google does not have that many for all the holes, JN has 4, and the owners seem to like the bar, I found over 100 photo's of the bar. |
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Post by bentfivewood on Nov 22, 2014 17:49:38 GMT -5
Anytime I would attempt a RL course I would do it to CDN Open specs because my abilities in TGC are much better than RL.
What I couldn't wrap my head around was that when you go down into the valley there is water but there's also water on the other holes. I just couldn't figure out how to make the creek and other water hazards work in the valley while also having it everywhere else without compromising realism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 18:01:20 GMT -5
Anytime I would attempt a RL course I would do it to CDN Open specs because my abilities in TGC are much better than RL. What I couldn't wrap my head around was that when you go down into the valley there is water but there's also water on the other holes. I just couldn't figure out how to make the creek and other water hazards work in the valley while also having it everywhere else without compromising realism. Yes the water here is only at 1 level and 1 level only, Glen Abbey has a few ponds at varying elevations and 16 mile creek changes more then 60 feet in elevation across the course. 295 ASL at the low point and 355 feet ASL at the high point. That cannot be done here, It would like the grand canyon. |
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Post by skrec on Nov 22, 2014 22:41:39 GMT -5
yea thought of that myself the infamous valley holes kinda holding this one up right now or should I say the inability to place water like a bunker is holding it up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 21:00:53 GMT -5
Link to canuck review.
This guy is a master reviewer, I have watched nearly all his videos and I'm quite impressed by his work.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Dec 30, 2014 21:24:07 GMT -5
Wow master reviewer! I wouldn't go that far, but thanks for the kind words and letting me take a look at your course. Very nice design.
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) and its been years since I've played there but this is pretty darn close to what I remember nice and challenging finished the front 9 in -1 and there was a lot of scrambling for that..
