Pro Tours Demotion

[mcbogga]

Dec 9, 2015 17:57:02 GMT -5 @swaeromotion said:

Dec 9, 2015 15:58:19 GMT -5 oswinner said:

The thing is a year is a very long time in video golf. Much longer than in real life and it's not extremely hard to regain a Top Tour card. Finish top 5 in web and then make the cut and you're back in. Back in for at least three events (with the 3-strike policy)

I could have demoted myself in week 4 but that's like admitting defeat. It's like if an English premiership team that finishes bottom three has the choice to be relegated or not. Even if they are losing every week they wouldn't choose to be relegated. Plus, if I choose to get demoted then I'm not exactly going to be buzzing about getting promoted back to where I was. However, if it's forced upon then you will be striving to get back.

So what's left is a lack of excitement each week as you know you're not going to win but you know you're not going to lose your card either. I think that's why the below average pro tour players lose interest. I could be wrong however. It'd be interesting to see how many peeps have actually missed three straight cuts. I bet not that many.

Web.com is so competitive right now.  I think that if you are getting 3 MC's in a row, you likely are not going to get a top 5 on Web (The harder part of this two parter) and then the next week get a top 70 on PGA/Euro.  If you listen to the latest podcast, Nic Zaiser points this out very well as Ken Wenzel brought up the demotion thing.

I do understand what you mean about the latter half of the post about losing interest, however.

Few on both PGA and especially Euro have a chance of winning each week, but I do wish if others took this as a long term thing, they would set realistic goals for themselves.  Set realistic ones that you'd like to accomplish realistically as a floor, then set ones that you'd like to accomplish that you feel are attainable but are also a legit challenge, and then set ones that are above your comfort level and not expect to make them but if you do... Wow!  The last is not something to feel failure about if you do not achieve them, rather a big goal that you will feel pride in if you accomplish.

For example, my goals that are above my comfort level are two things.  One is somewhat attainable but not going to happen too often, the other is very hard to get and have no shame in not reaching.  The first is beating both James Morgan and Griffin Ray on a PGA event.  I am pretty sure I did this once this year.  The latter is a simpler goal.. to win on the PGA Tour.  I still am working on this one.

But going back to the demotion thing and back on topic, I really think what is in place is well thought out and not only replicates the real life top tours, it also does not stray too far from how TGCT sets up its playoffs at the end of the year.

A similar discussion was up around this time last season.

For me - the yearly cycle mimicing the real world with cuts, invitationals, fighting to keep your card is what sets TGCT apart. Without it it would just be another gaming leauge, albeit quite "flashy". Not so interrested in that. 

[silap]

Duke - Duke - Murphy - Murphy - Harris - Doyley - Harris
Sweeney - Garcia - Sweeney - Sweeney - Duke - Sweeney - Ohw and Sweeney  - Garcia

I'm sorry guys, but we are far from mimicking the truth here.

The Franklin Templeton Shootout is a 12 man tournament; we have 121 participants (so far)  -- come on Chuck you can do it!! 
The British Masters has a purse of $4.6M .. as big as they come on the Euro Tour; people should be fighting to get in that thing (still room for 19 more)

I'm a big fan, no huge fan of schedule management ... no more than xx tournament a year.
So the nr 1, 2 and 3 of our world will not show up in the Madeira Islands Open playing for scraps (600K); they couldn't care less!
And therefore the #128 might fancy a chance of winning and if not at least getting a good result and corresponding money to maybe save his card in the end.

Yes I know, I said it before .. and no it will not be implemented. Because we want to play every single week .. right?

I still have high hopes for those Country Clubs .. and hopefully a lot of activity (tournaments) coming from it.
And maybe, just maybe .. people will at one point start saying: "Thank goodness, I'm not playing the PGA Tour this week ... my schedule is packed as it is!"

Love you all 

[mcbogga]

Dec 10, 2015 17:48:32 GMT -5 silap said:

Duke - Duke - Murphy - Murphy - Harris - Doyley - Harris
Sweeney - Garcia - Sweeney - Sweeney - Duke - Sweeney - Ohw and Sweeney  - Garcia

I'm sorry guys, but we are far from mimicking the truth here.

The Franklin Templeton Shootout is a 12 man tournament; we have 121 participants (so far)  -- come on Chuck you can do it!! 
The British Masters has a purse of $4.6M .. as big as they come on the Euro Tour; people should be fighting to get in that thing (still room for 19 more)

I'm a big fan, no huge fan of schedule management ... no more than xx tournament a year.
So the nr 1, 2 and 3 of our world will not show up in the Madeira Islands Open playing for scraps (600K); they couldn't care less!
And therefore the #128 might fancy a chance of winning and if not at least getting a good result and corresponding money to maybe save his card in the end.

Yes I know, I said it before .. and no it will not be implemented. Because we want to play every single week .. right?

I still have high hopes for those Country Clubs .. and hopefully a lot of activity (tournaments) coming from it.
And maybe, just maybe .. people will at one point start saying: "Thank goodness, I'm not playing the PGA Tour this week ... my schedule is packed as it is!"

Love you all 

I'd like it to be more autentic as well. But setting up those reward systems right when there are no logistics or real money at stake is just not happening. Putting a limit on number of cross overs or forcing "cool-down" weeks would be a way forward. But many people don't take the time to read the more involved rules and it would create a potential admin nightmare.

Then the game limits what can be done for team formats etc.

But forced cool-down weeks would be a good idea IMHO. There are plenty of other initiatives out there including speed golf, TST, knockout tournaments etc. so I dont think people would forget about TGCT and the added schedule management and chance for diversification on top of the leaderboasrd would be great.

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Hey silap, you forgot about Jared Klein and Phil Cichero. Yes, they won on a "minor" event (PGA and European) while the WGC event was going on, but their fields were roughly the same size as the WGC field. I would be honored to have a title even in one of those events.

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Didn't we originally have a limit on tournaments we could play? I have to say that having a chance to win playing the back 9 of the final round of the Euro tournament the week the winners were off was the thrill of my TGCTour career ( finished 2nd ). With that said, that opportunity should come around 5-6 times a year during the weeks of majors and invitationals. As to getting full fields on the top tours, isn't it just a matter of increasing the number of top tour cards?

[silap]

Dec 10, 2015 20:07:46 GMT -5 @swaeromotion said:

Hey silap, you forgot about Jared Klein and Phil Cichero. Yes, they won on a "minor" event (PGA and European) while the WGC event was going on, but their fields were roughly the same size as the WGC field. I would be honored to have a title even in one of those events.

I didn't forget about 'em, but left 'em out for, well, the obvious reason you mentioned yourself   They had a great tournament and deserved a win (or should Ryan Hammond have won the Sanderson Farms Championship; his round 4  score is lower than Jared's ). But they (most likely) wouldn't have if .... 

Dec 10, 2015 22:33:09 GMT -5 @brownief104 said:

I have to say that having a chance to win playing the back 9 of the final round of the Euro tournament the week the winners were off was the thrill of my TGCTour career

Should this feeling be limitted to 5-6 times a year I ask myself? .. I think not!

I'm not entirely sure what I'm asking for here (potential admin noghtmare.. maybe). All I know is, that I'm starting to feel indifferent about my rounds, the leaderboard etc.. as I play and I don't want to, hence the reply..

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I find it bizarre that the three best players play where the lower purse is the majority of the time. I was in favour of equaling the world ranking points to the purse of the event, that way the best would flock to the PGA prize fund and leave the Euro to those that want to be a big fish or the guys that aren't quite PGA standard but better than Web. People didn't seem to like that idea though.