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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 23:03:07 GMT -5
www.sercc.com/PGA_Tour_Climatology_Data_Values.pdfThis spreadsheet shows the PGA Tour 2013-14 season average tournament wind speeds. The two calmest tournaments were 5.1mph - Humana Challenge which played to a desert theme (PGA West) 6.1mph - Phoenix Open which also played to a desert theme (TPC Scottsdale) The two windiest were 13.2mph - Tournament of Champions which was hosted by a tropical theme (Kapalua) 13.0mph Crown Plaza Countryside/Rural theme? (Colonial) At 12.2mph were two other Tropical tournaments Honda Classic and the WGC Cadillac showing that Tropical should generally have higher winds In comparision the Web Tourney this week which was set in the Autumn theme averaged just 7.6mph. The winds during tournaments are currently too low which is one of many reasons why scores are so low. The autumn theme, along with Links/Highland should probably have 13mph+ average winds going off this chart with Countryside/Rural ranging from 8-12mph whilst desert should barely have any wind at all ranging from something like 4-6mph. Anyway, I'll try to shut up about it all now.
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 14, 2015 23:33:57 GMT -5
Numbers! I like it!
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Post by dh-nufc on Nov 15, 2015 3:51:52 GMT -5
I think wind is about right at the moment. Yes, compared to real life the numbers are low but the wind has more affect than it should therefore meaning its about right. I know what you mean about lower scores but increased wind is as artificial as narrow fairways, super firm greens, yellow beads near holes, long courses, trees in the way etc.
I don't know what the answer is!
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 15, 2015 4:01:55 GMT -5
I don't think wind has more effect than it should. Seems to be about right. Consider the field of view of the camera.
One day maybe a guy like Os will build a driving range and test the wind effect...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 6:38:13 GMT -5
The wind seems to effect the ball just right. Don't use follow camera and hit your driver. For every 5mph of crosswind the ball should move 9 yards if its to have the same effect as real life. So just a 10mph average wind (10mph should be around average really, unless in the desert) would move the ball 18 yards with a driver. Considering we play with fairways of 15 yards, maybe even less sometimes, I think it's skewing up people's perspective. The wind effects are generally fine.
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Post by Kodiak_OS on Nov 15, 2015 18:46:00 GMT -5
Anthony never showed me the info they used when programming wind but he insists its pretty spot on. For a 90 degree cross wind it should move the ball about 1.5 yards for every 1mph of wind. What I don't know if this game has programmed or not is wind being the same at all levels of flight or if it's stronger above the tree line. Today's golf balls fly with a lot less spin than they did 20 years and I don't know how HB implemented that either. The more side spin, the more effect the wind will have as well. I used to be a firm believer that the wind, mainly cross winds had too much effect, but once I quit using follow cam, I'm no longer in that camp, although it can still be fine tuned IMO.
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Post by edi_vedder on Nov 15, 2015 23:26:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately, those numbers are totally useless in here. Luke... if you want something changed, you need to make HBS aware of it in their forums. But you probably did (I didn't check). If so, take my words as absolutely meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 8:52:42 GMT -5
It was just meant for discussion and enlightenment Edi.
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Post by dh-nufc on Nov 16, 2015 12:27:21 GMT -5
If that's what that stats say then fair enough. I don't play enough to back up my point. When I play it's normally windy, I live in North0East England and play on the top of a hill mostly. I never aim that far to compensate. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so bad at real golf!! I would say I'm happy with stronger winds generally but it seems to be very unpredictable when you get over 15MPH. has anyone else noticed that?
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Post by lessangster on Nov 16, 2015 12:48:50 GMT -5
If that's what that stats say then fair enough. I don't play enough to back up my point. When I play it's normally windy, I live in North0East England and play on the top of a hill mostly. I never aim that far to compensate. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so bad at real golf!! I would say I'm happy with stronger winds generally but it seems to be very unpredictable when you get over 15MPH. has anyone else noticed that? Dean I learnt my golf at Crook golf club then moved over the valley to Bishop Auckland and finally finished my golf at Barnard Castle it was certainly pretty windy on those three courses. I think the winds have calmed down since the wind fix but I would like them to go back up a bit as I seemed to get my best results then.
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Post by dh-nufc on Nov 16, 2015 12:52:41 GMT -5
If that's what that stats say then fair enough. I don't play enough to back up my point. When I play it's normally windy, I live in North0East England and play on the top of a hill mostly. I never aim that far to compensate. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so bad at real golf!! I would say I'm happy with stronger winds generally but it seems to be very unpredictable when you get over 15MPH. has anyone else noticed that? Dean I learnt my golf at Crook golf club then moved over the valley to Bishop Auckland and finally finished my golf at Barnard Castle it was certainly pretty windy on those three courses. I think the winds have calmed down since the wind fix but I would like them to go back up a bit as I seemed to get my best results then. I've played most of my golf at Roseberry Golf Course near Beamish and it's very exposed! I would expect Crook would be especially windy! The winds went higher when first fixed, probably a little too high too often but now it's maybe a little low. I'm okay either way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 13:57:06 GMT -5
Yeah I feel they were too high before but now too low. I'm sounding like a right moaner, I do apologise haha. One problem people have is they don't hit lower shots. I know it sounds obvious but lower your shots in higher winds to make the effect less.
There's a cracking shot tracer on YouTube from the Open at St andrews where players were struggling with 15mph winds on the road hole. The wind was blowing towards the road and people were bailing out to the adjacent fairway left as to not flirt with OoB. Some people took it on and succeeded like Schwartzel and Spieth, People should take a watch.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 16, 2015 18:29:28 GMT -5
Dean I learnt my golf at Crook golf club then moved over the valley to Bishop Auckland and finally finished my golf at Barnard Castle it was certainly pretty windy on those three courses. I think the winds have calmed down since the wind fix but I would like them to go back up a bit as I seemed to get my best results then. I've played most of my golf at Roseberry Golf Course near Beamish and it's very exposed! I would expect Crook would be especially windy! The winds went higher when first fixed, probably a little too high too often but now it's maybe a little low. I'm okay either way. Dean my stepson was a member at Rosberry you call him Andy Davison but that was a while ago.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 16, 2015 18:31:38 GMT -5
Yeah I feel they were too high before but now too low. I'm sounding like a right moaner, I do apologise haha. One problem people have is they don't hit lower shots. I know it sounds obvious but lower your shots in higher winds to make the effect less. There's a cracking shot tracer on YouTube from the Open at St andrews where players were struggling with 15mph winds on the road hole. The wind was blowing towards the road and people were bailing out to the adjacent fairway left as to not flirt with OoB. Some people took it on and succeeded like Schwartzel and Spieth, People should take a watch. The trouble is you can't hit a proper low shot in winds in this game, I don't think the punch shot works properly. It might if we practiced it but trying to work out the run would be real difficult.
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Post by Doe Coba on Nov 20, 2015 14:01:45 GMT -5
If that's what that stats say then fair enough. I don't play enough to back up my point. When I play it's normally windy, I live in North0East England and play on the top of a hill mostly. I never aim that far to compensate. Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so bad at real golf!! I would say I'm happy with stronger winds generally but it seems to be very unpredictable when you get over 15MPH. has anyone else noticed that? Dean I learnt my golf at Crook golf club then moved over the valley to Bishop Auckland and finally finished my golf at Barnard Castle it was certainly pretty windy on those three courses. I think the winds have calmed down since the wind fix but I would like them to go back up a bit as I seemed to get my best results then. I too like when there is wind and find the current range too limited. Denmark being a small country surrounded by ocean we almost always have wind from breeze to heavy winds with casting force. My whole schooling in golf is to work the ball a lot and have good course management to negotiate the wind conditions in combination with the course layout, so I too seem to do well in tougher conditions. But I do like the variation there was on the wind prior to the latest change.
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