I find it facinating that some players will defend....

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using certain 3rd party controllers.  claiming there is not much or nothing at all to be gained by doing do.

let me tell you something,  just barely being inside the cone vs not even worrying about not leaving the center white line is a huge difference off the tee box,

how many times have some of you seen such controller users loft their driver all they way up and hit it perfect time after time.  thats not only hitting it straighter, but further, making the approach shots that much easier,  no worries about hazards, no worries about missing, no reason to lay up!.

stock users have to consider everything that non stock users dont worry about.

stock users have to worry about hazards, and that alone makes it more difficult to hit a straighter shot
stock users have to worry about whether to lay up or not because they know if they miss left or right, a penalty stroke is in store


simply put,  when you dont have to worry about hitting it strait, the only thing you do have to worry about is your distance.

so please,  tell me why its no big deal to not have to worry about hazards of all kinds vs worrying about them?   tell me why its no big deal to be closer to the pin on every hole by an average of 10+ feet due to hitting tee's and approaches longer/straighter. 


I am glad TGC took the stance they did, makes me feel much better knowing the next name up on the boards is not getting over on me.  Thanks TGC

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Want a real challenge, go buy a trackball mouse w/3 button DPI sensitivity settings (that you can accidentally depress with the palm of your hand on a critical putt) ...

Every shot is a challenge ... then ... see if you can shot par in High winds ... there is no edging with a trackball ... it's all thumb ...

I love it, but, I will never see a 15 under round ... and competing with anyone not using a trackball ... I don't even try ... I just have fun.

But, I agree with your frustration. I do not understand why some have to look for anyway possible, to gain an unfair advantage ... Why cheat? But, that is the world we live in today ... And most will defend the "Cheat", claiming its not a cheat because everyone else is doing it and if they can "buy" the controller that gives them a distinct advantage, then there is noting wrong. Well I go one step further ... I feel if you use a controller, you already have an advantage. If you use a regular mouse, you have an advantage ...

Long live the Trackball ....

LOL.

You design great courses ... enjoy the game and don't let the others bring you down.

Hopefully HB can come up with a way to remedy the problem ...

Personally, I feel a 'handicap' system would really even up the playing field, much like the USGA uses ... then all the advantages sort of go by the wayside.

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First golf game I ever played was an arcade machine with a giant trackball that was used to make the shots, that was a blast, I was like 7 or something, long long time ago

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Nov 11, 2014 16:32:03 GMT -5 @tastegw said:

First golf game I ever played was an arcade machine with a giant trackball that was used to make the shots, that was a blast, I was like 7 or something, long long time ago

Are you talking about Golden Tee? We still play that. Loser buys the next round.

[IlludiumQ36]

No matter how bad a tangible or abstract idea may objectively be, there will always be a defense force on the internet. And yes, it is fascinating.

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Nov 11, 2014 16:39:51 GMT -5 MAJORHIGH said:

Nov 11, 2014 16:32:03 GMT -5 @tastegw said:

First golf game I ever played was an arcade machine with a giant trackball that was used to make the shots, that was a blast, I was like 7 or something, long long time ago

Are you talking about Golden Tee? We still play that. Loser buys the next round.

It's been so long since I've played or seen it, I have no idea what the name was, but that sounds vaguely familiar

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2015 Golden Tee Home Edition

Some of these courses look like fun ... wish I had 5k to throw down on something like this ...

Definitely sparked a few creative ideas ...


I now un-hijack this thread back to the topic at hand .... 

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Nov 11, 2014 15:54:08 GMT -5 @tastegw said:

I am glad TGC took the stance they did, makes me feel much better knowing the next name up on the boards is not getting over on me.  Thanks TGC

Problem solved then.

I think some people just care to care about things within their control and not bother worrying about things beyond their control.

WTH is TGC or anyone else supposed to do about someone with a potentiometer on their x-axis that has not already been done.

Yes maybe they make everybody use a stock controller is a step further, but a Philips screw driver and some wire snips cures that, so why screw over everyone else in the game that wishes to play with the controller they choose on the platform they wish. Maybe a trackball is the answer, but see directly above. Maybe you want TGC to deliver to everyone a desktop box that they must use with an alarm if the box is opened. But is that even reasonable and does it solve the perceived problem? Maybe you want everyone to set up a camera, I don't know I'm grasping here, I read your proposed boycott idea, but thought WTH are they supposed to do. What is the solution? Switch to Y-axis, maybe draw a Z or a Q or follow a random line, but now the game has been turned into a stupid joke and players decide well I got my moneys worth see ya. Maybe you and the 1 other person left can find time to play turn based till the power gets turned off at the server. Do you see where I'm heading here, it's called careful what you wish for. Or another, something along the lines of the cure is worse than the illness thing.

You may interpret that as defending, I consider it so far beyond my control, I don't really care further then what has already been decided to do. Cooler heads have analysed the problem and determined the only reasonable solution to be, is to delete them off the leaderboards, whether it be automated or from witnessing the infraction first hand. WTH is so unreasonable about that? it's doable, it works, does not require the legit player to do anything other than play the game as they wish. Perfect Solution IMHO.

You know it's easy to freak out over a problem, but to freak out over a problem without identifying a reasonable solution is not overly sane.

And given the already proposed and implemented solution, personally I do not give a rats what controller people care to use, it's their game, it's their time, it's their life, they can do as they wish as far as I'm concerned, but I'm sort of big on that freedom thing that gets bandied about here and there occasionally.

Now if someone identifies a reasonable solution, with minimal impact on the legit player, I will change that thinking in a heartbeat.

And by the way I apologize in advance if it was not you who suggested the boycott on the main game forums.

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with all due respect steve, with that kind of mindset you just displayed, if we all had that, we would have never left the stone age.

think about it.

[jimgem]

Tbh as players there is not alot that we can do,its gonna happen no matter what.That is just gaming in general these days.Does it piss me off "yes and no" yes as in i've worked hard to get to the level that i'm at now with all the practice hours i have put into the game.No as in you have to be one sad individual that you have to,and want to cheat just to try and get you're name at the top of a virtual leaderboard.

I also think that HBs/TGC/LGGT are doing what i think is as much as they can do to try and stem the amount of cheating that is going on and when they roll out their detection system then we can see if its any good or not.There is no point in having a go at them just now when they have not even put the thing into the game yet.Hopefuly when they do get it up and running we might see something that actualy works quite well.If it dosn't well atleast they have tried.Good on them for going that little bit extra to try and make this a better game than what is already a great game.

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Nov 12, 2014 7:06:09 GMT -5 jimgem said:

Tbh as players there is not alot that we can do,its gonna happen no matter what.That is just gaming in general these days.Does it piss me off "yes and no" yes as in i've worked hard to get to the level that i'm at now with all the practice hours i have put into the game.No as in you have to be one sad individual that you have to,and want to cheat just to try and get you're name at the top of a virtual leaderboard.

I also think that HBs/TGC/LGGT are doing what i think is as much as they can do to try and stem the amount of cheating that is going on and when they roll out their detection system then we can see if its any good or not.There is no point in having a go at them just now when they have not even put the thing into the game yet.Hopefuly when they do get it up and running we might see something that actualy works quite well.If it dosn't well atleast they have tried.Good on them for going that little bit extra to try and make this a better game than what is already a great game.

+1

[jcauthen04]

I need to come clean about what I'm doing here so I can get a sense for which platform on which I need to play my TGC Tour rounds.  I posted the following in the official TGC forum yesterday and it explains how I'm currently playing the game on the PS4.

I use an XB1 controller with the PS4 via the CronusMax controller adapter. All I do is port my XB1 controller straight over to the PS4 with no input conditioning. The game feels exactly the same to me in terms of controller response and tracking errors on the PS4 as it does the XB1. In fact, my scoring average is a little bit lower on the XB1 version (-3), versus the -2 scoring average I have on the PS4.

I'm not using the XB1 controller on the PS4 version because I think it's going to give me some sort of input sensitivity advantage. I use it because I don't like the low placement of the left thumbstick on the stock DS4 controller. The feel is awkard to me primarily because of my long thumbs. I can put maybe one drive in three in the fairway using the DS4, whereas it's like 7 out of 10 with the XB1 controller. I tend to push the stick out of the accuracy cone to the right with the DS4, due to the geometry of my thumb relative to the stick.

I actually score slightly better, on average, on the XB1 for whatever reason, but I prefer playing on the PS4 because of the huge leap in graphics resolution and slightly better overall frame rates.  Truth be known though, if I had to play The Golf Club on the PS4, using the DS4 controller, I would have a hard time breaking 80 in most rounds.  My fingers and thumbs are so long that the geometry the low left thumbstick on the DS4 creates with my left thumb creates such an awkward angle that it becomes a crapshoot that I have to try to outguess with over correction.  

If my use of an XB1 controller on the PS4 is seen by only one person on this tour as an unfair advantage, I'll change my TGC participation over to the XB1, 720p graphics (at least until the next update) and all.  However, all one needs to do is scroll down to the bottom half of  Beta tournament leaderboards to see where I come out using an XB1 controller on the PS4.

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