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Post by StormGolf73 on Jul 29, 2015 10:22:22 GMT -5
New to TGCTours so forgive me if my frustration is come boiling through for no reason or a mis undestanding of how things work.... Why in the heck are the leader in CC-D shooting -31 for a tournament when the school graduates posted "114 over to 37 over = Challenge Circuit Flight D card" (that's straight from the website). I mean really? It's not just one player, the top 20 are double digits under par. They did not shoot 37+ over during Q School and TRY. Please explain how the Tour handles this and encourage me a little...because this is a discrace to all "flighted" or "handicap" like event. If you want to see a REAL GOLF TOUR play for REAL $10,000 money with handicaps go to www.fairwaygolftour.com they run a tight tour and if you shoot your handicap you make money! Look forward to knowing how I'm all wrong about this....I truly hope so.
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Post by Mitchblue on Jul 29, 2015 10:27:23 GMT -5
New to TGCTours so forgive me if my frustration is come boiling through for no reason or a mis undestanding of how things work.... Why in the heck are the leader in CC-D shooting -31 for a tournament when the school graduates posted "114 over to 37 over = Challenge Circuit Flight D card" (that's straight from the website). I mean really? It's not just one player, the top 20 are double digits under par. They did not shoot 37+ over during Q School and TRY. Please explain how the Tour handles this and encourage me a little...because this is a discrace to all "flighted" or "handicap" like event. If you want to see a REAL GOLF TOUR play for REAL $10,000 money with handicaps go to www.fairwaygolftour.com they run a tight tour and if you shoot your handicap you make money! Look forward to knowing how I'm all wrong about this....I truly hope so. The q-school courses are meant to be hard as heck. You won't get that in CC level. Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 10:43:43 GMT -5
Think the Q-school courses toughness catches a lot of people off guard.
Also, it's hard to place people in the right band straight off q-school as people are new to the game and always improving.
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Post by StormGolf73 on Jul 29, 2015 10:52:01 GMT -5
ok fair enough on the course difficulty...and yes even some of the courses bit my butt more than others even in QSchool. So after my first tournament on an "easy" course maybe I'll have a score average of 64-68 which is the top 20 in D School right now. Doubt it. So I'm guessing the courses on the PGA Tour here at TGC Tours are much more difficult so their scores are not much deeper than -31 as well. When are players moved up by the tour (not by request but mandatory)? I'll give it a go but if it's not for me...it's not for me. Thanks again for hearing me out
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Post by Mitchblue on Jul 29, 2015 10:58:50 GMT -5
ok fair enough on the course difficulty...and yes even some of the courses bit my butt more than others even in QSchool. So after my first tournament on an "easy" course maybe I'll have a score average of 64-68 which is the top 20 in D School right now. Doubt it. So I'm guessing the courses on the PGA Tour here at TGC Tours are much more difficult so their scores are not much deeper than -31 as well. When are players moved up by the tour (not by request but mandatory)? I'll give it a go but if it's not for me...it's not for me. Thanks again for hearing me out Win some tournaments, earn exemptions and do well.
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Post by c-flo4344 on Jul 29, 2015 19:15:32 GMT -5
People improve. I was +63 in Q-school and am now on CC-A. Eventually you practice more and get better at the game -- learn things like how approaches bounce and roll when they hit the green, how to avoid trouble, etc.
Good luck with it!
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Post by dh-nufc on Jul 30, 2015 3:30:43 GMT -5
I actually think generally people are placed too low after Q-School. I've seen so many Q-school graduates winning at their first attempt. I'd rather see people start too high and move down than people winning everything on their way up. With the new system in place you can go down a tier in 3 weeks and up in 2. You will eventually fit into the best tier for you.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jul 30, 2015 3:43:16 GMT -5
What newcomers like yourself fail to.understand is that this site is run by fans of the game
They are only able to use best guess as to where to put the cut lines for q school and they obviously can't chop and change this every week
Tbf it would be a miracle if they were able to get it spot on at the 2nd attempt. It's trial and error to see what works.
If you have been placed in CC-D then there is loads of ways you can develop your game. Read the tips in these forums and improve and you will soon find you are competing at the level you should be at. As will those shooting very low in the tour you are currently in
As said it's trial and error so it may take a bit of time to filter those players through to the right tour but not sure what more you expect from a fan based tour which has been working their are off for less than 12 months. It's simply not going to be nailed on until there is a decent amount of data available. I dare say the next adjustment to the cut lines will probably be at the end of the year and will nail it but again who knows!
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Post by tastegw on Jul 30, 2015 4:31:33 GMT -5
Next year you will look back at this thread and have a chuckle as you compete on the pga level
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Post by canthitstraight on Jul 31, 2015 2:00:25 GMT -5
New to TGCTours so forgive me if my frustration is come boiling through for no reason or a mis undestanding of how things work.... Why in the heck are the leader in CC-D shooting -31 for a tournament when the school graduates posted "114 over to 37 over = Challenge Circuit Flight D card" (that's straight from the website). I mean really? It's not just one player, the top 20 are double digits under par. They did not shoot 37+ over during Q School and TRY. Please explain how the Tour handles this and encourage me a little...because this is a discrace to all "flighted" or "handicap" like event. If you want to see a REAL GOLF TOUR play for REAL $10,000 money with handicaps go to www.fairwaygolftour.com they run a tight tour and if you shoot your handicap you make money! Look forward to knowing how I'm all wrong about this....I truly hope so. tcoursey: I'm new to this game as well. I purchased during the Steam sale on about July 18th. Like you, I had the same reservations about being placed into CC-C with Q-School (I think I was like +36, so a few more strokes and I would have been in CC-D as well). The leaderboard from the tournament that I just missed showed people scoring into the -30s and I think even -40s for CC-C. I was like: how the hell does that even make sense? Are people just sandbagging their way to a lower CC so that they can win every tournament on their way up? Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I tried my hardest during Q-School. I think I did the Q-School after about 30 hours of single player with the game. Cver the next week and 40 hours of gameplay I scored a +16 in my first tournament (which put me barely over the top 70 cut line) and then a -18 in this week's tournament (which will place me in the top 10 of CC-C for sure, and possibly top 5). In practice for that second tournament, I was averaging par or slightly better. But during the tournament, a lot of putts just fell. That and the more hours you put into the game, the better you're going to be. So don't worry too much about people in CC-D scoring crazy numbers this week. Actually, the difficulty of courses vary greatly from week to week. Number one in your flight over three rounds is currently -16 and will likely end up in the low -20's after four. The previous week (Shakeweight Open) had the leader at -13. The week before, leader was -41. So long story short: You'll get better, don't worry where you're placed! To maintain your standing in CC-D, continue to score in the top 70. A +24 last week would have meant you got top 70! For each time you don't get top 70 (there's usually about 130 people registered, but about 30 people don't even bother finishing) you get a strike. On your third strike you drop down to CC-E and your strikes reset. If you manage to get top 30 any week (+5 last week for CC-D), your strikes reset down to zero. Moving up a flight appears to be a bit tougher. You'll need to score within ten strokes of the worst number 1 player in all flights above yours (CC-A, CC-B, and CC-C) on any given week to be given an exemption (this is mandated) to play in CC-C. If you make the top 70 in CC-C, you'll get to stay there.
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Post by StormGolf73 on Aug 3, 2015 9:14:59 GMT -5
New to TGCTours so forgive me if my frustration is come boiling through for no reason or a mis undestanding of how things work.... Why in the heck are the leader in CC-D shooting -31 for a tournament when the school graduates posted "114 over to 37 over = Challenge Circuit Flight D card" (that's straight from the website). I mean really? It's not just one player, the top 20 are double digits under par. They did not shoot 37+ over during Q School and TRY. Please explain how the Tour handles this and encourage me a little...because this is a discrace to all "flighted" or "handicap" like event. If you want to see a REAL GOLF TOUR play for REAL $10,000 money with handicaps go to www.fairwaygolftour.com they run a tight tour and if you shoot your handicap you make money! Look forward to knowing how I'm all wrong about this....I truly hope so. tcoursey: I'm new to this game as well. I purchased during the Steam sale on about July 18th. Like you, I had the same reservations about being placed into CC-C with Q-School (I think I was like +36, so a few more strokes and I would have been in CC-D as well). The leaderboard from the tournament that I just missed showed people scoring into the -30s and I think even -40s for CC-C. I was like: how the hell does that even make sense? Are people just sandbagging their way to a lower CC so that they can win every tournament on their way up? Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I tried my hardest during Q-School. I think I did the Q-School after about 30 hours of single player with the game. Cver the next week and 40 hours of gameplay I scored a +16 in my first tournament (which put me barely over the top 70 cut line) and then a -18 in this week's tournament (which will place me in the top 10 of CC-C for sure, and possibly top 5). In practice for that second tournament, I was averaging par or slightly better. But during the tournament, a lot of putts just fell. That and the more hours you put into the game, the better you're going to be. So don't worry too much about people in CC-D scoring crazy numbers this week. Actually, the difficulty of courses vary greatly from week to week. Number one in your flight over three rounds is currently -16 and will likely end up in the low -20's after four. The previous week (Shakeweight Open) had the leader at -13. The week before, leader was -41. So long story short: You'll get better, don't worry where you're placed! To maintain your standing in CC-D, continue to score in the top 70. A +24 last week would have meant you got top 70! For each time you don't get top 70 (there's usually about 130 people registered, but about 30 people don't even bother finishing) you get a strike. On your third strike you drop down to CC-E and your strikes reset. If you manage to get top 30 any week (+5 last week for CC-D), your strikes reset down to zero. Moving up a flight appears to be a bit tougher. You'll need to score within ten strokes of the worst number 1 player in all flights above yours (CC-A, CC-B, and CC-C) on any given week to be given an exemption (this is mandated) to play in CC-C. If you make the top 70 in CC-C, you'll get to stay there. Thanks for the rundown. I appreciate the effort. I guess my biggest thing would be how hard it sounds like to "move up" as you say. To me that means they are weighting bad play more than good play. I'll have to read the rules and play some rounds (My first is this week) to see how things fall. I'm looking forward to playing and I'm a 3 handicap in TGC but scored plus I don't remember how many in Q-School. The courses were much harder...and I guess if the regular tournaments are much easier than QS then I'll probably shoot par or better a few rounds. We'll see...Thanks everyone!
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