gcsinsane
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 116
TGCT Name: Brian Culbertson
Tour: Challenge Circuit
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Post by gcsinsane on Jan 4, 2020 14:41:46 GMT -5
đź‘Ť got the accepted email last night lol.. thanks for responding, really appreciate all u guys do on here..
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gerek
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 171
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Post by gerek on Jan 7, 2020 9:32:43 GMT -5
Okay, I mean no disrespect here but I was wondering if someone else could take a look at Landlar Desert Mirage. I just played the TGC event on CC-D (something County Down) and I can't believe that my course was rejected and that one is being used for a TGC event. I've gotten a lot of Positive feedback on the Landlar Desert Mirage from other societies. I put in a ton of time on it and the County Down course looks like it was made in about 3 hours - tops. I guess I just don't understand what you're looking at. Sorry, but I'm a little frustrated by this.
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Post by lessthanbread on Jan 7, 2020 10:11:54 GMT -5
Okay, I mean no disrespect here but I was wondering if someone else could take a look at Landlar Desert Mirage. I just played the TGC event on CC-D (something County Down) and I can't believe that my course was rejected and that one is being used for a TGC event. I've gotten a lot of Positive feedback on the Landlar Desert Mirage from other societies. I put in a ton of time on it and the County Down course looks like it was made in about 3 hours - tops. I guess I just don't understand what you're looking at. Sorry, but I'm a little frustrated by this. Here are my full notes from the round and specific points as to why I decided this course was not accepted: Landlar Desert Mirage G C: Not Approved. This is a cool looking design. However there are some major issues that keep this from being approved: Fairways are very narrow throughout Multiple sculpting issues on and around fairways/greens Pin 1 on #4 is illegal Multiple pins on set 1 are very nearly illegal with red slopes just outside the box going away from the pin and off the green Very severe slopes on multiple greens make approaches extremely challenging or impossible to hold the putting surface even with technically legal pin locations. This one was close but the consistent use of very narrow fairways, severe green slopes, questionable pin locations and general sculpting issues with obscured sight lines were enough to grade this course as not quite to TGC Tours designing standards. Someone else can certainly take a look at it, this is just one reviewer's opinion. |
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Post by mattf27 on Jan 7, 2020 10:13:48 GMT -5
Okay, I mean no disrespect here but I was wondering if someone else could take a look at Landlar Desert Mirage. I just played the TGC event on CC-D (something County Down) and I can't believe that my course was rejected and that one is being used for a TGC event. I've gotten a lot of Positive feedback on the Landlar Desert Mirage from other societies. I put in a ton of time on it and the County Down course looks like it was made in about 3 hours - tops. I guess I just don't understand what you're looking at. Sorry, but I'm a little frustrated by this. Here's a link to our database guidelines: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/14276/new-tgct-database-guidelinesHaving not personally reviewed your course, I'm assuming that Landlar misses several guidelines where Royal County Down does not. Notes from the reviewer: Landlar Desert Mirage G C: Not Approved. This is a cool looking design. However there are some major issues that keep this from being approved: Fairways are very narrow throughout Multiple sculpting issues on and around fairways/greens Pin 1 on #4 is illegal Multiple pins on set 1 are very nearly illegal with red slopes just outside the box going away from the pin and off the green Very severe slopes on multiple greens make approaches extremely challenging or impossible to hold the putting surface even with technically legal pin locations. This one was close but the consistent use of very narrow fairways, severe green slopes, questionable pin locations and general sculpting issues with obscured sight lines were enough to grade this course as not quite to TGC Tours designing standards. |
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reebdoog
TGCT Design Competition Directors
Posts: 2,742 
TGCT Name: Brian Jeffords
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by reebdoog on Jan 7, 2020 11:04:47 GMT -5
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gerek
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 171
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Post by gerek on Jan 8, 2020 0:29:00 GMT -5
Yeah that Royal County Down is a goat track from the mind of an imbecile... whew... how'd that show up here?
www.royalcountydown.org/www.golfdigest.com/story/royal-county-down-tops-our-world-100 I never said anything of the sort. I simply stated that it looked as if it would only take a few hours to make. From my perspective, this one breaks several of the "rules" that my course is apparently guilty of breaking. Anyway, I was just looking for some clarity. In the end it is all rather subjective I suppose. Thanks for the response. |
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Post by linkslover on Jan 8, 2020 7:17:22 GMT -5
Considering Royal County Down is one of the finest links courses on the whole planet and given that I'd be very, very surprised that a designer who has done many RCRs that have been approved by TGC Tours would only spend a few hours on it... you should be very careful what you criticise in such a way. You dismissed Royal County Down as "looks like it was made in about 3 hours - tops."
Your post comes across as you are throwing your toys out of the pram.
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Post by mattf27 on Jan 8, 2020 8:54:15 GMT -5
Royal County Down is a little narrow, but a) the course is that way in real life, so the RCR would reflect that, and b) it funnels inwards on many of those holes, adding to the width. It's not the most extraordinarily planted course, but the playing characteristics are there. Having also played it on tour this week, I can assure you the course doesn't violate any of our guidelines.
If you're just looking for feedback, may I suggest something along the lines of "Hi, may I have the notes for (insert course) please?" instead of insulting the reviewers, rangers, schedulers, AND other course designers.
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gerek
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 171
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Post by gerek on Jan 8, 2020 11:17:14 GMT -5
You are right. Please accept my apologies. I was simply frustrated. Won't let it happen again. You guys do a good job - I've said that before. Thanks for what you do.
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Post by linkslover on Jan 9, 2020 7:21:42 GMT -5
Second post rule* :thup:
*An old 'rule' from Sports Interactive LLM forum. You can always tell if a poster is alright or a dick by how he makes his second post after a first post that isn't written how he should do.
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Post by mattf27 on Jan 9, 2020 9:22:55 GMT -5
No harm, no foul. We just get a lot of "misunderstood genius" types around here, and I haven't had the patience this week to be as diplomatic as I should be. If you're looking for some in-depth feedback on areas of improvement, I'm sure folks around here would be more than happy to help.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Jan 9, 2020 12:24:53 GMT -5
"Misunderstood genius" I'm filling that one away.
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reebdoog
TGCT Design Competition Directors
Posts: 2,742
TGCT Name: Brian Jeffords
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by reebdoog on Jan 10, 2020 6:55:38 GMT -5
You are right. Please accept my apologies. I was simply frustrated. Won't let it happen again. You guys do a good job - I've said that before. Thanks for what you do.
Rock on brother. I played your track. You understand the tools well, just need to give your work some breathing room and a little more natural contouring. Keep making and enjoying! |
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Post by mattf27 on Jan 10, 2020 14:52:27 GMT -5
Tri-Lakes Golf and Fishing Resort - not approved
As far as I can tell, no course by this name exists. As it lists "Rural" as it's theme, I'm wondering if this was built in an earlier TGC game?
There's a "Tri-Lakes Country Club" in game, but I'm not sure if it's the same course or not. If so, let me know, and I'll edit the entry.
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Post by mattf27 on Jan 10, 2020 14:54:36 GMT -5
The Wiltshire Links - not approved
Significant playability, sculpting, and surfacing issues throughout.
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