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Post by hughalmighty on Jul 11, 2021 18:08:27 GMT -5
Copper Mountain - not approved Sculpting surfacing and playabilty issues throughout. Matt - Thanks for reviewing my course. Just looking for some additional feedback as to why my course was not approved? Can you define what sculpting surfacing means exactly? I've spent hours meticulously going over this course so it was spotless. And also unsure of the playability issues... I've probably played this course 30 times while designing and I haven't had issues and what I did have issues with I ensured I fixed. Your input would greatly be appreciated. I'm really trying to become a better designer, but getting more and more confused as to what you're looking for. |
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on Jul 11, 2021 18:53:42 GMT -5
hughalmighty I'll give it a play on stream tomorrow and give some feedback. I'm not a TGCTours reviewer but I'm usually on the same page as they are.
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Post by mattf27 on Jul 11, 2021 20:29:59 GMT -5
Copper Mountain - not approved Sculpting surfacing and playabilty issues throughout. Matt - Thanks for reviewing my course. Just looking for some additional feedback as to why my course was not approved? Can you define what sculpting surfacing means exactly? I've spent hours meticulously going over this course so it was spotless. And also unsure of the playability issues... I've probably played this course 30 times while designing and I haven't had issues and what I did have issues with I ensured I fixed. Your input would greatly be appreciated. I'm really trying to become a better designer, but getting more and more confused as to what you're looking for. The majority of issues are covered in this video:
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Post by Bob334OH on Jul 11, 2021 21:27:39 GMT -5
Copper Mountain - not approved Sculpting surfacing and playabilty issues throughout. Matt - Thanks for reviewing my course. Just looking for some additional feedback as to why my course was not approved? Can you define what sculpting surfacing means exactly? I've spent hours meticulously going over this course so it was spotless. And also unsure of the playability issues... I've probably played this course 30 times while designing and I haven't had issues and what I did have issues with I ensured I fixed. Your input would greatly be appreciated. I'm really trying to become a better designer, but getting more and more confused as to what you're looking for. hughalmighty - just gave your course a quick play to check it out. I'm not a reviewer and am only working on my 2nd course but have watched the "getting your course approved" video several times and am a twitchtv. follower of whataboutameobi , and DesignB101, Joy of Planting, and Crazycanuck where I have learned a lot. Here's some issues I saw:
*Fairways were 'brushed'. It's not hard to spline and looks better. *Playability issues - 7934 yards. Was difficult to play at "Pro" level for me - can't imagine "Master' level. Fairways are way too narrow on most holes especially in landing areas and trees too close to the fairways. Too many rocks near landing areas also. *Bunkers cutting across more than one surface (touching rough/fairway or fairway/green). Some specifics - No.2. 110 yard all or nothing carry on 2nd shot. rock on fringe of green. No. 3 Trees blocking right side of green. No. 5 bush overhanging back of green. No. 6 From the tee - 235 yard all or nothing carry to the fairway which is only 25 yards wide. No. 10 23 yard wide fairway. No. 11. 260 from the tee- fairway is 16 yards wide. tall grass in fringe of green. No. 15. tall grass in fairway. Putting speed of 144ft is too low. My suggestion is to watch the video and "whataboutameobi' on twitchtv - weekdays 1-4pm E.S.T. live or on replay. Best advice is before you publish - post your course on "Under Construction" as "beta Copper Mountain" and ask for feedback. Great designers will play it and tell you what needs fixed or improved. Everyone is here to help. thanks, Bob
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Post by mattf27 on Jul 12, 2021 20:11:02 GMT -5
Preserve @ Riverside - not approved
Sculpting, surfacing, and playability issues throughout.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 13, 2021 5:06:23 GMT -5
Rum Point Seaside GL (L) - Not Approved
A lot of things are done well here but we have higher standards of accuracy for LiDAR and RCR courses and this falls short. Items of note from the first few holes
- a missing fairway bunker on 3
- green contours on 2 and 4 don't match the course. You can watch the hole by hole video flyovers on the course's website where they show the major green contours for each hole.
Additionally, continue to work on bunker sculpting/placement. With a LiDAR course, if the bunker isn't perfectly marked in OSM, then when you bring it into the game, you end up with oddly sculpted bunkers because the bunker surface isnt sitting exactly on the land where the real bunker is located. Even if it is, there's a good chance the bunker still needs to be smoothed along the edges with a fuzzy brush if the LiDAR data isn't of the highest quality.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 13, 2021 5:19:14 GMT -5
Walden Golf Club - Not Approved
I'm assuming this is the Walden Golf Club that is 7,580y in the database. There is not a Walden Golf Club with 7300y tees as indicated on your course submission and the lack of course description doesn't give me any further guidance.
Your green complexes are well thought out and your off course planting adds to the environment. However, the course is not approved for a few reasons:
- bunker surfacing. On hole 10 for example, you spammed a bunch of bunker brushes across the fairway and rough in what I think was an attempt to mimic the MacKenzie bunker from the 10th at Augusta. I would suggest watching a Canuck tutorial on Youtube about how to build bunkers in a fairway.
- unintentional blindness. There were many areas where the the land blocked my view of the next shot (ie - first fairway). I can't imagine that you intended the downhill 11th hole to be blind off the tee for a tee shot that's carrying water and has bunkers at the landing zone...and then a blind approach to a green fronted by water.
- planting. Trees and planted grasses are were repeatedly creeping into fairways/light rough areas when they weren't intended to be.
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Jul 13, 2021 7:34:28 GMT -5
Rum Point Seaside GL (L) - Not Approved A lot of things are done well here but we have higher standards of accuracy for LiDAR and RCR courses and this falls short. Items of note from the first few holes - a missing fairway bunker on 3 - green contours on 2 and 4 don't match the course. You can watch the hole by hole video flyovers on the course's website where they show the major green contours for each hole. Additionally, continue to work on bunker sculpting/placement. With a LiDAR course, if the bunker isn't perfectly marked in OSM, then when you bring it into the game, you end up with oddly sculpted bunkers because the bunker surface isnt sitting exactly on the land where the real bunker is located. Even if it is, there's a good chance the bunker still needs to be smoothed along the edges with a fuzzy brush if the LiDAR data isn't of the highest quality. Not the designer but this is a shame..By far my favorite, and I would debate the best course in this area. I always play it when I go on vacation with family. A must when you go to that tourism hotspot of the MD Shore. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 13, 2021 21:24:08 GMT -5
Outpost Golf Club - Not Approved
Many sculpting and playability issues throughout
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 14, 2021 5:00:53 GMT -5
Whakastrol Country Club - Not Approved
TGCT requires approved courses to have 4 pinsets.
If this course had 4 pinsets, it would still be not approved due to major sculpting, surfacing and planting issues.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 14, 2021 5:06:12 GMT -5
Silica Valley - Not Approved
This course is much better than your first submission and it's clear you've thought about hole strategies and paired them with bold green contours. However, the not approved is a result of significant sculpting issues and unintentional blindness. I would strongly suggest watching Crazy Canuck's YT tutorials as you continue to improve your use of the sculpting tools.
Unrelated, I like the cheeky nod to Sand Valley in the course name. As somebody who works in the energy sector, the name made me smile.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 14, 2021 5:13:32 GMT -5
City Limits G.C. - Not Approved
Comments match what I said for Silica Valley. Additionally, you have multiple holes where planted grasses are creeping into the fairways.
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Post by coruler2 on Jul 15, 2021 0:11:36 GMT -5
Rum Point Seaside GL (L) - Not Approved A lot of things are done well here but we have higher standards of accuracy for LiDAR and RCR courses and this falls short. Items of note from the first few holes - a missing fairway bunker on 3 - green contours on 2 and 4 don't match the course. You can watch the hole by hole video flyovers on the course's website where they show the major green contours for each hole. Additionally, continue to work on bunker sculpting/placement. With a LiDAR course, if the bunker isn't perfectly marked in OSM, then when you bring it into the game, you end up with oddly sculpted bunkers because the bunker surface isnt sitting exactly on the land where the real bunker is located. Even if it is, there's a good chance the bunker still needs to be smoothed along the edges with a fuzzy brush if the LiDAR data isn't of the highest quality. Not the designer but this is a shame..By far my favorite, and I would debate the best course in this area. I always play it when I go on vacation with family. A must when you go to that tourism hotspot of the MD Shore. You can still play the course in the game. Just because it didn't make the TGCTours course list, doesn't mean it's not available for everyone to play. |
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 16, 2021 5:29:16 GMT -5
Utopia Heights Resort - Not Approved
TGCT requires approved courses to have 4 pinsets. If it did have 4 pinsets, this course will still be not approved due to sculpting and surfacing issues.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 16, 2021 17:18:05 GMT -5
TPC Birchwood - Not Approved
TGCT requires approved courses to have 4 pinsets.
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