veral42
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Post by veral42 on Mar 22, 2016 21:55:59 GMT -5
Oak Ridge Country Club - Not Approved Although there was alot of work gone into this course there was a few basic errors with the course. 1) Hills in front of tee box meaning you were driving into a wall of green. 2) Bunker sculpting was very uneven 3) Bunkers look better been surround by the same cut of grass. 4) Unrealistic elevation changes some that were like walls. 5) transitions from fairways to greens were messy. I would advise going to youtube or the tips section in the forum for tips and tutorials as some ideas on this course were quite good and the lighting and textures and planting gave a nice look but the basics couldn't justify an approval at this time. As for not being approved, I don't mind. That said, this review showed a distinct lack of knowledge regarding the area the course was designed for and has led me to decide to not submit further location-based courses to this site as I cannot confirm that the course will be being reviewed by someone knowledgeable on the area the course was designed for (something desperately lacking in the Pinecrest Resort review). Besides the fact that this is more-or-less a dead game so I've mostly stopped playing it. So where do I start... well, I started by numbering everything in the quoted post. Seems like a good place to begin. As good a place as any, at least. So, #s 1, 2, 3, and 4 all show a lack of knowledge, and I'm not saying that to be mean spirited. Please, actually go to New England before rating a course based in New England. At my home course almost NONE of the bunkers use a solid grass type for surrounding, only for bunkers over 15 ft from the edge of the fairway. Second, you said there was unrealistic terrain. While this is a nice concept in theory, but it's not true. All terrain on the course was designed off of REAL TERRAIN found NATURALLY in my hometown. Hill in front of your tee? This is based off of the 7th hole from the (now a shopping mall) Canton Golf Course, a 9 hole course that was in Canton, CT. Again, you have nice ideas about making things look pretty, but it's not accurate to reality for NE courses. Expect to see things like this within 50-100 yards of your box on at least 1 or 2 holes if you ever come here to play. If you're driving into a hill I suggest playing like we do in real life out here. Hit an iron. If you want even bunkering then you should never come up to play in NE, they're not even here. Again, this is a NE course so I don't care about how non-NE bunkers are done. All bunker designs are based off my home course so that's good enough for me, and apparently those who really build courses for people to play as well. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I don't know (or care) about number 5 since the course plays as intended. And, to be honest, with 1-4 so far off for where this course is located I find myself doubting this as well. Sorry ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) On the plus side, at least you didn't think it was auto-generated like others have. Having someone tell you to not auto-gen a course that took a couple weeks to make really makes you question the people who are playing the courses. >> As a future tip to TGCTours reviewers, leave courses set in a location to people who have been to the area. Please, at least to save face for the reviewers. Again, I'm not saying this with mean intentions, though if it has to come off that way for someone to listen to common sense then so be it. Now, the above is all for Pinecrest Resort. Oak Ridge was also rejected, but the feedback given isn't really relevant since it's not supposed to look like a real course (and to be honest I was expecting it to be rejected after seeing which courses were accepted). It's a challenge course. Remember, this is a game and comparing a course designed [specifically] for gameplay to a real course is like comparing highway driving between a go-cart and a Ferrari. I'd love to hear your opinion of it as a challenge course (intended course style) though. Thanks for playing through the courses. Though... did you even finish either of them before writing about them? I don't see your scores anywhere on the boards so I cannot confirm that you played the courses. Regards.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Mar 22, 2016 22:26:45 GMT -5
Oak Ridge Country Club - Not Approved Although there was alot of work gone into this course there was a few basic errors with the course. 1) Hills in front of tee box meaning you were driving into a wall of green. 2) Bunker sculpting was very uneven 3) Bunkers look better been surround by the same cut of grass. 4) Unrealistic elevation changes some that were like walls. 5) transitions from fairways to greens were messy. I would advise going to youtube or the tips section in the forum for tips and tutorials as some ideas on this course were quite good and the lighting and textures and planting gave a nice look but the basics couldn't justify an approval at this time. As for not being approved, I don't mind. That said, this review showed a distinct lack of knowledge regarding the area the course was designed for and has led me to decide to not submit further location-based courses to this site as I cannot confirm that the course will be being reviewed by someone knowledgeable on the area the course was designed for (something desperately lacking in the Pinecrest Resort review). Besides the fact that this is more-or-less a dead game so I've mostly stopped playing it. So where do I start... well, I started by numbering everything in the quoted post. Seems like a good place to begin. As good a place as any, at least. So, #s 1, 2, 3, and 4 all show a lack of knowledge, and I'm not saying that to be mean spirited. Please, actually go to New England before rating a course based in New England. At my home course almost NONE of the bunkers use a solid grass type for surrounding, only for bunkers over 15 ft from the edge of the fairway. Second, you said there was unrealistic terrain. While this is a nice concept in theory, but it's not true. All terrain on the course was designed off of REAL TERRAIN found NATURALLY in my hometown. Hill in front of your tee? This is based off of the 7th hole from the (now a shopping mall) Canton Golf Course, a 9 hole course that was in Canton, CT. Again, you have nice ideas about making things look pretty, but it's not accurate to reality for NE courses. Expect to see things like this within 50-100 yards of your box on at least 1 or 2 holes if you ever come here to play. If you're driving into a hill I suggest playing like we do in real life out here. Hit an iron. If you want even bunkering then you should never come up to play in NE, they're not even here. Again, this is a NE course so I don't care about how non-NE bunkers are done. All bunker designs are based off my home course so that's good enough for me, and apparently those who really build courses for people to play as well. I don't know (or care) about number 5 since the course plays as intended. And, to be honest, with 1-4 so far off for where this course is located I find myself doubting this as well. Sorry ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) On the plus side, at least you didn't think it was auto-generated like others have. Having someone tell you to not auto-gen a course that took a couple weeks to make really makes you question the people who are playing the courses. >> As a future tip to TGCTours reviewers, leave courses set in a location to people who have been to the area. Please, at least to save face for the reviewers. Again, I'm not saying this with mean intentions, though if it has to come off that way for someone to listen to common sense then so be it. Now, the above is all for Pinecrest Resort. Oak Ridge was also rejected, but the feedback given isn't really relevant since it's not supposed to look like a real course (and to be honest I was expecting it to be rejected after seeing which courses were accepted). It's a challenge course. Remember, this is a game and comparing a course designed [specifically] for gameplay to a real course is like comparing highway driving between a go-cart and a Ferrari. I'd love to hear your opinion of it as a challenge course (intended course style) though. Thanks for playing through the courses. Though... did you even finish either of them before writing about them? I don't see your scores anywhere on the boards so I cannot confirm that you played the courses. Regards. Hold on a second here. First off, please don't attack any of these reviewers. They play and offer constructive feedback for countless courses and get little thanks in doing it. Secondly, I'm not sure how big you think the review team is, we don't have anyone who is going to take a trip to New England to compare your course to the real thing. Your layout may be comparable to the real life layout, but the details in the hill sculpting, planting, etc set apart the mediocre RCR's from the great ones (Glen Abbey, Magnolia, etc). Also, you need to remember this is a video game. We are used to playing great looking and playing fantasy courses and RCR's of the most famous golf courses in the world. Usually, a lesser-known local track with these "quirks" don't look great or translate well in a golf video game and turn people off to it. I have a great course 5 minutes from my house that I love to play. I've thought about recreating it in the game, but in a video game it would feel boring and messy. I loaded up your Pinecrest Resort and I completely agree with what Shane is saying in his review. Your large hill in front of the green on #2....some courses may have some undulations in front of the tee box, but a 10-15 foot hill directly in front of the tee..that's an odd course.. He may have not finished the course. We have played enough courses to know what makes a good course and what the GNCD is capable of. I'll be blunt..after the second hole, I had seen enough and had no desire to continue. I think you have a good grasp of how the designer works and how to lay down holes, but alot of work is needed in the finer points.
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Post by bigcat023 on Mar 22, 2016 23:05:11 GMT -5
Dam you canuck you beat me to it.Veral42 who do you think you are dumping on these course reviewers who are doing an outstanding job at what they do in their time.I tried playing Oak Ridge Country Club and to tell you the truth had to quit after 4 holes .If these are the kind of courses one might find in NE l feel sorry for them.You said it was made to look this way on purpose but really it was a lack of knowledge on how to use the GNCD.You really should play some of the great courses by other designer who spend alot more time than two weeks.Take your lumps and don't put the blame on others.Watch some videos look at other courses and try again.Sorry i had to let my feelings be known but the review was spot on
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Post by Terry Grayson on Mar 23, 2016 10:00:35 GMT -5
Veral42 I was one of the first ones to review your course! I said some of the same things, then immediately you didn't think I played it through! Honestly I couldn't finish it... There are fantasy courses and there are realism courses,Oak Ridge Is one I couldn't tell what you were trying to achieve...wasn't sure if it was fantasy or realism you were after.... First off, there is a par five, second shot I hit one smack into the middle of the enormous hill in front of me... .If there is a REAL course somewhere , that this is the case, penalizing the golfer for just hitting a simple shot, then the REAL course designer in NEw England needs to remove his head from his hind end....That makes no sense to penalize someone for simply making a shot.. Bunkers sloping unneccesarily and many other issues... These guys and gals that review are just trying to help, nothing overly aggressive in their tone... But you act like it makes you want to punch puppies in the face or something.. Then to go slap off in this last diatribe, is absolutely uncalled for.... Is this community is dead, then why continue to post? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) If it were me, with that last post you'd have been long gone All for someone trying to give some positive feedback, you act like someone licked the red off your candy.... Either you are 12, or you need to act like an adult Just my thoughts, you don't have to agree with them
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Post by bigcat023 on Mar 23, 2016 11:16:21 GMT -5
Oops hit a nerve Let it be known iam not a reviewer and oh yeah my dad can beat up your dad
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Post by mrooola on Mar 23, 2016 11:39:10 GMT -5
Geez. Now I want to play these. ..
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Mar 23, 2016 13:19:55 GMT -5
Ugly posts have been deleted.
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Post by pyates on Mar 23, 2016 13:37:52 GMT -5
Awesome job done by the rangers on this site. So many courses turned around so quickly as well. The feedback given to those looking to improve is invaluable so massive kudos for providing that when you do. An interesting point to come out of this... When it comes to RCRs should there be much dispensation for accuracy? A good course is a good course in my book... This game has bad ones but so does real life ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Does it mean we should subject others to them real or not?
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Post by jajajajaja on Mar 23, 2016 17:12:46 GMT -5
Oops hit a nerve Let it be known iam not a reviewer and oh yeah my dad can beat up your dad Haha, nice. But I disagree with you. Reviewers need to learn to review the course accurately. Also... are you in 5th grade dude? I just picked up this game and joined but jeeze... what a toxic community. You all jump over someone who made a very good point regarding his course's reviewer not knowing anything about the area. I live in the general New England area as well and went to play the course... it's a really good depiction of the general area. Also, what gives you the right to insult where someone else lives? Talk about rude, bigcat023. Veral42 I was one of the first ones to review your course! I said some of the same things, then immediately you didn't think I played it through! Honestly I couldn't finish it... There are fantasy courses and there are realism courses,Oak Ridge Is one I couldn't tell what you were trying to achieve...wasn't sure if it was fantasy or realism you were after.... First off, there is a par five, second shot I hit one smack into the middle of the enormous hill in front of me... .If there is a REAL course somewhere , that this is the case, penalizing the golfer for just hitting a simple shot, then the REAL course designer in NEw England needs to remove his head from his hind end....That makes no sense to penalize someone for simply making a shot.. Bunkers sloping unneccesarily and many other issues... These guys and gals that review are just trying to help, nothing overly aggressive in their tone... But you act like it makes you want to punch puppies in the face or something.. Then to go slap off in this last diatribe, is absolutely uncalled for.... Is this community is dead, then why continue to post? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) If it were me, with that last post you'd have been long gone All for someone trying to give some positive feedback, you act like someone licked the red off your candy.... Either you are 12, or you need to act like an adult Just my thoughts, you don't have to agree with them Terry, just a heads up. He specifically stated in his course post that Oak Ridge was a fantasy course... and yea, again... just insulting where people live... just as rude as bigcat... if these are the reviewers on this site I think I joined the wrong place. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I came here to try to get some insight into what makes a good/bad course and all I see is a toxic community...
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Mar 23, 2016 17:22:50 GMT -5
Oops hit a nerve Let it be known iam not a reviewer and oh yeah my dad can beat up your dad Haha, nice. But I disagree with you. Reviewers need to learn to review the course accurately. Also... are you in 5th grade dude? I just picked up this game and joined but jeeze... what a toxic community. You all jump over someone who made a very good point regarding his course's reviewer not knowing anything about the area. I live in the general New England area as well and went to play the course... it's a really good depiction of the general area. Also, what gives you the right to insult where someone else lives? Talk about rude, bigcat023. Veral42 I was one of the first ones to review your course! I said some of the same things, then immediately you didn't think I played it through! Honestly I couldn't finish it... There are fantasy courses and there are realism courses,Oak Ridge Is one I couldn't tell what you were trying to achieve...wasn't sure if it was fantasy or realism you were after.... First off, there is a par five, second shot I hit one smack into the middle of the enormous hill in front of me... .If there is a REAL course somewhere , that this is the case, penalizing the golfer for just hitting a simple shot, then the REAL course designer in NEw England needs to remove his head from his hind end....That makes no sense to penalize someone for simply making a shot.. Bunkers sloping unneccesarily and many other issues... These guys and gals that review are just trying to help, nothing overly aggressive in their tone... But you act like it makes you want to punch puppies in the face or something.. Then to go slap off in this last diatribe, is absolutely uncalled for.... Is this community is dead, then why continue to post? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) If it were me, with that last post you'd have been long gone All for someone trying to give some positive feedback, you act like someone licked the red off your candy.... Either you are 12, or you need to act like an adult Just my thoughts, you don't have to agree with them Terry, just a heads up. He specifically stated in his course post that Oak Ridge was a fantasy course... and yea, again... just insulting where people live... just as rude as bigcat... if these are the reviewers on this site I think I joined the wrong place. I came here to try to get some insight into what makes a good/bad course and all I see is a toxic community... Any tips on how to "review a course accurately"? Apparently we don't know what we are doing....
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Post by Terry Grayson on Mar 23, 2016 17:26:39 GMT -5
Not toxic but if you cant take constructive criticism especially as nice as the initial review was, then probably don't need to ask for the course to be reviewed in the first place....
the reviewer was nothing but constructive with their comments, then Veral got bent out of shape.... it spiraled after that.... Bottom line is no matter how many courses one designs not everyone is going to like them and people are always going to pick it apart, and tell what could be done better....those are the comments I live for....what makes us better designers is what needs to be said along with niceties...
with that said, just design for you first and foremost, what you like, take any constructive comments, criticisms and try to use those to better the design process, that's all the reviewer was TRYING to help with
Just my thoughts... Wasn't being rude, just being honest in my post you quoted.. If you don't want your course picked apart and people to give you comments, then just design a course for you...That's all im saying, and I stand by my hitting a shot into a hill, fantasy or not, that just makes no sense...same effect could have been had with a smaller hill creating a blind shot to the green, but at least allow the golfer to actually make it over said hill... If not, you are forcing them to lay up well short of that, then no hopes of reaching a green.. there is risk and reward and their is gimmicks.. that was a gimmick but could have absolutely been created as a risk reward with a little more forethought
Just my opinion, I know everyone doesn't agree, and that's cool!!!
Terry
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Post by bigcat023 on Mar 23, 2016 18:59:27 GMT -5
Jaja What I said was if these are the kind of course one might find in NE l feel sorry for them.So how is that insulting where someone lives i don't understand.What I called him out on was his treatment of a very good reviewer who is doing this on his own time.You guys need to take a pill OMG .Iam done
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Post by bigcat023 on Mar 23, 2016 19:06:31 GMT -5
Jaja By the way you came into this late one of his post was pulled and that was the one that i was responding to.
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Post by scampi00 on Mar 23, 2016 20:57:40 GMT -5
Whoa, I've been asleep. Jaja, the community has been excellent, with a few stinkers here and there. I really want to go play this course now and offer my two cents. I'm going to guess the intent was fine but the work in the designer was suspect.
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Post by karma4u on Mar 23, 2016 22:08:48 GMT -5
Sorry, but guess what? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ...This is not a toxic community......THIS, is an EXCELLENT community........It provides good feedback to those who are WILLING to accept constructive criticism..If, you are not willing to accept the thoughts and recommendations of the reviewers on the site.......THEN, why pray tell......submit your course for review........
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