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Post by Brighttail on Jul 8, 2015 12:41:12 GMT -5
I would second the Chamber's Bay course. It is very nice.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jul 8, 2015 13:03:58 GMT -5
In order to have a gud Open experience i think we shud play either Troon, Muirfield or St Andrews.
3 more than adequate options.
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Post by mav78 on Jul 8, 2015 13:36:34 GMT -5
Theres a birkdale and troon course that are unequalled by any user created course and st andrews
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Post by mav78 on Jul 8, 2015 13:59:20 GMT -5
Why are people are still going on about scoring being too low and aaking for 'realism'? Yea cause -36 for a US Open is really true to life. Its a computer game get over it. Playing silly annoying unrealstic firm conditions for the sake of it is stupid when there are enjoyable courses out there
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 8, 2015 14:02:38 GMT -5
Why are people are still going on about scoring being too low and aaking for 'realism'? Yea cause -36 for a US Open is really true to life. Its a computer game get over it. Playing silly annoying unrealstic firm conditions for the sake of it is stupid when there are enjoyable courses out there Agreed, there is nothing worse than to have a marvelous course ruined by switching the firmness.
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 8, 2015 18:57:47 GMT -5
Any update?
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Post by c-flo4344 on Jul 8, 2015 19:11:50 GMT -5
The Royal St Andrews course on here would be great, especially if the wind patch is ready (likely not). I'm playing it in 15-18mph winds and it is a challenge, but a fun one.
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Post by mcbogga on Jul 8, 2015 19:43:16 GMT -5
Not a fan of the Royal st. Andrews. Just a bit too exaggergated.
Legacy at Cape Point! Or why not Gregors Firth v2. Both excellent links-courses that require something other than a "dial a distance" lawn dart approach.
Troon and Muirfield are great as well - especially Muirfield - but no real names used on tour, right?
Mav and BT - dont mix up hard, firm and bad. Bad is bad. Good is good. The rest is just course conditions. For me - having 18 accessible pins on a tour set up is bad. I think we have already moved past the initial "switching the firmness" phase, and the firm courses that get on tour now are generally quality. However - we still have great deal of middle of the green pin sets on tour... If we want to play softer and slower conditions pins need to be adressed. Cuyahoya is a good exmple of softer conditions done well for tournament play.
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 8, 2015 20:38:15 GMT -5
Not a fan of the Royal st. Andrews. Just a bit too exaggergated. Legacy at Cape Point! Or why not Gregors Firth v2. Both excellent links-courses that require something other than a "dial a distance" lawn dart approach. Troon and Muirfield are great as well - especially Muirfield - but no real names used on tour, right? Mav and BT - dont mix up hard, firm and bad. Bad is bad. Good is good. The rest is just course conditions. For me - having 18 accessible pins on a tour set up is bad. I think we have already moved past the initial "switching the firmness" phase, and the firm courses that get on tour now are generally quality. However - we still have great deal of middle of the green pin sets on tour... If we want to play softer and slower conditions pins need to be adressed. Cuyahoya is a good exmple of softer conditions done well for tournament play. You can make non-accessible flags with medium firmness just fine. My continual point tho is many of the courses we have played the ORIGINAL firmness was medium for greens. That was what the greens and the course was designed for. These courses were then firmed up and tweaked a little by moving a pin here or there. While it some times worked if the green was large enough to begin with in many cases the firming up caused even hitting the green in regulation near impossible, ESPECIALLY if there was any noticable tail wind. While many got around this by wind waiting, once the wind equalizer patch drops it is no longer an option. You can't have a second shot of 190 yards onto a firm green that is less than 20 yards in length as an example. As you said there are MANY courses out there that are tough, some with firm greens, but they are fair. As a recent example, The US Open course was a great course with medium greens. Round 2 was very difficult. The designer did better in round three making pins more accessible and greens at least able to hold shots, but round 1 was just silly and round four had most of the same pin positions as round one just ramped up firmness. Bottom line, I personally don't care if the scores are realistic or not in RL. I'm more concerned with the fairness of the course and the fun factor. If I shoot a PW and hit the front of the green there should be little reason it doesn't stop somewhere on the green and NOT roll 40 yards away and across the green. There are at least two holes currently with the current Open championship course that I got into the weeds on the first shot, got within PW/SW distance. Hit the edge of the green just past the fringe with loft and wind against me and it still rolled all the way to the other side of the green leaving me 20-30 yards for my next shot. That to me is ridiculous, unfair and unrealistic.
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Post by mav78 on Jul 9, 2015 5:56:35 GMT -5
I think it takes a good designer to design greens that handle firmness. Elmview did a great job of it but still a few pins were impossible with some winds. In fairness rarely has a course been used for an event that was overfirm. i cant deal woth hitting 8iron to front of green and as bigtail says run off the green 40.yards, theres a thing called friction, unless its badly designed green anyway.
Disagree with st andrews mate ive played there and it looks pretty real.to.me maybe the odd exagarrated slope on greens but aside from the road hole which is.a.little off its a great effort. Theres a user created royal birkdale.too i recommend it its the best links ive played
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Post by mcbogga on Jul 9, 2015 6:37:36 GMT -5
I think it takes a good designer to design greens that handle firmness. Elmview did a great job of it but still a few pins were impossible with some winds. In fairness rarely has a course been used for an event that was overfirm. i cant deal woth hitting 8iron to front of green and as bigtail says run off the green 40.yards, theres a thing called friction, unless its badly designed green anyway. Disagree with st andrews mate ive played there and it looks pretty real.to.me maybe the odd exaggerated slope on greens but aside from the road hole which is.a.little off its a great effort. Theres a user created royal birkdale.too i recommend it its the best links ive played Are we talking about the same course? The Royal St Andrews one? Have not played the real one, but no way it has that severe bumps in the fairway? Still have not found one that plays well for TGC myself. Agreed on the firmness though, mate - it does take a good design. But making a tour level medium or soft course is equally difficult. A good thing to start off with for firm is an understanding that any mid or long iron shot should have the green generally sloping significantly back to front. That will stop shots. Many times this general tilt is not done and that is when we get the 30 yard roll outs. ---- BT - And I think that "switch to firm" phase was only for a couple of weeks and since that, as you correctly point out, is not the best way to create difficulty instead the U.S Open contest was started to produce tour worthy courses. Which it did with great success. For links golf there is nothing wrong with having to run the ball up onto the green. Can be a very rewarding way to play as well... What kind of slope you land on can be huge on firm greens as well, but this you already know at your level of play. -------- University Links (the remodelled one) will be an excellent relplaement for the Open - should the update not come.
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Post by joegolferg on Jul 9, 2015 11:14:34 GMT -5
Rod1smo has a great links in the works, shame it isn't finished.
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Post by mav78 on Jul 9, 2015 15:26:24 GMT -5
I dont know which one mate it played pretty good to me besides the road hole. I don't care the firmness is there its nice to have t as many options as possible, it's just the scoring don't bother me. If it's they uk open was 60 under but realistic i don't care.
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Post by rod81simo on Jul 10, 2015 18:12:33 GMT -5
Rod1smo has a great links in the works, shame it isn't finished. Yeah I know. Got started on it to late and then this last few weeks the new job has gotten in the way. Should publish a final 18 hole test version for some feedback either later today or tomorrow. Just got some planting to do on the back 9 before I put out the test version. Then just got the clubhouse, practice areas and a few other tid bits to bang out and change up some things if needed thru feedback..... Glad the new update is here now tho. Was always going to wait for it ever since they incorporated the specific firmness settings. With the new backdrops they have mentioned I'm hoping there may be a coastal one for countryside as I'm not sure highlands will work so well on this one. Time will tell
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