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Post by yeltzman on Aug 3, 2024 3:35:43 GMT -5
Here is seamount's video from the 2 min mark about the swing.....I think he make's some very fair points on it.Got to be honest i had never noticed it before till i played online with the meter on and its like a different game.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 3, 2024 3:53:02 GMT -5
Here is seamount's video from the 2 min mark about the swing.....I think he make's some very fair points on it.Got to be honest i had never noticed it before till i played online with the meter on and its like a different game. He makes some interesting points well there about the power metre. I’ll disagree with Paul here in that I do feel a very slight delay in the swing starting from when I pull the stick back. But i also disagree with Seamount’s conclusion that this renders the game reliant on playing with the power metre. For two reasons really. Firstly, the scores that are shot on master / legend societies with the metre disabled and the really tight distance control the top players have without it. In the case of many the vibration will do the work anyway when the power metre is disabled. They’re two different prompts fulfilling the same purpose of telling you when to swing: one visual and one kinetic (I think that the word lol). Certainly I feel like I could judge partial pitches for example to about a five yard landing zone (assuming I hit good tempo) on legend swing and I don’t use vibration or the metre and I don’t think that would be possible if there was a reliance on the metre or vibration. Certainly both help to iron out weaknesses in your game and tighten up distance control but I don’t think they’re strictly necessary, more of a help on very extreme courses / conditions with very tight landing zones, fast greens big slopes etc . And this kind of ties into the second reason, the delay is so slight that - by the time the club moves - the amount of movement that has already happened in that power metre (as seen in his video) is so little that you’re never going to be doing anything in that zone / phase of the swing anyway. So whilst I agree it’s a little annoying I don’t think it has much impact, if at all, on the gameplay. The one place I still notice it is short putts on fast greens. Aside from that I have totally adjusted to it. Just my thoughts. Good points raised Yeltzman and I think Seamount is right that it exists but I don’t find it as impactful on the game as he does. Full disclosure i also spent a month or more moaning about this delay on release. Paul, I’m pretty sure the person you mentioned was me 😂 |
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Post by stokie1947 on Aug 3, 2024 6:01:08 GMT -5
loved that game
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Post by lessangster on Aug 3, 2024 6:02:39 GMT -5
Do you like football games, I’m not talking about FIFA or EA Sports Football there’s a new beta out for UCL a football game partly funded by Ronaldo he’s put €40 mil towards its development. It’s still a bit rough at the moment but the potential is there to see if it can knock EA Sports of the top. It doesn’t hold your hand like EA does and I don’t see any levels. The second Beta is ongoing this weekend. Thanks Les, I was really into football games years ago. Games like Sensible Soccer and Konomi's Pro Evo games. But for some reason just fell away from them. Will give the beta of this game as it is interesting to see how it plays. There is probably only a day left on the beta so if your going to give it a try todays the day, I played about 10 games and will probably play another 10 tonight. I’ve not won one yet in fact I’ve not scored a goal 🤣🤣 but it felt ok to me. There were a couple of silly things happening like I scored an own goal and it awarded it to the attacking player. A few passes didn’t go the direction I wanted, stuff like that but I still enjoyed it. As I said I felt it doesn’t hold your hand like FIFA does and that’s ok to me, we play a golf game where we don’t want all the help that’s goes with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 7:26:10 GMT -5
Here is seamount's video from the 2 min mark about the swing.....I think he make's some very fair points on it.Got to be honest i had never noticed it before till i played online with the meter on and its like a different game. He makes some interesting points well there about the power metre. I’ll disagree with Paul here in that I do feel a very slight delay in the swing starting from when I pull the stick back. But i also disagree with Seamount’s conclusion that this renders the game reliant on playing with the power metre. For two reasons really. Firstly, the scores that are shot on master / legend societies with the metre disabled and the really tight distance control the top players have without it. In the case of many the vibration will do the work anyway when the power metre is disabled. They’re two different prompts fulfilling the same purpose of telling you when to swing: one visual and one kinetic (I think that the word lol). Certainly I feel like I could judge partial pitches for example to about a five yard landing zone (assuming I hit good tempo) on legend swing and I don’t use vibration or the metre and I don’t think that would be possible if there was a reliance on the metre or vibration. Certainly both help to iron out weaknesses in your game and tighten up distance control but I don’t think they’re strictly necessary, more of a help on very extreme courses / conditions with very tight landing zones, fast greens big slopes etc . And this kind of ties into the second reason, the delay is so slight that - by the time the club moves - the amount of movement that has already happened in that power metre (as seen in his video) is so little that you’re never going to be doing anything in that zone / phase of the swing anyway. So whilst I agree it’s a little annoying I don’t think it has much impact, if at all, on the gameplay. The one place I still notice it is short putts on fast greens. Aside from that I have totally adjusted to it. Just my thoughts. Good points raised Yeltzman and I think Seamount is right that it exists but I don’t find it as impactful on the game as he does. Full disclosure i also spent a month or more moaning about this delay on release. Paul, I’m pretty sure the person you mentioned was me 😂 I haven't played Xbox in a long time but on PC when putting for example and raising the camera so you can see exactly when the putter head moves back I am getting zero delay. I could also make a video to prove this. I notice you use the lower camera Craig and it works for you for putting as I think you putt by timing/tempo rather than visually for short putts. The reason I don't use that camera is that it is so hard to see the putter head actually move at the beginning of your putting backstroke. To me with that lower camera there seems to be a delay, raise the camera that putter head moves instantly when I pull back the stick, there is simply zero delay on my PC. I will try it out on Xbox again. Try the full camera for putting Craig and then test if you find a delay in putting. |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 3, 2024 7:33:00 GMT -5
He makes some interesting points well there about the power metre. I’ll disagree with Paul here in that I do feel a very slight delay in the swing starting from when I pull the stick back. But i also disagree with Seamount’s conclusion that this renders the game reliant on playing with the power metre. For two reasons really. Firstly, the scores that are shot on master / legend societies with the metre disabled and the really tight distance control the top players have without it. In the case of many the vibration will do the work anyway when the power metre is disabled. They’re two different prompts fulfilling the same purpose of telling you when to swing: one visual and one kinetic (I think that the word lol). Certainly I feel like I could judge partial pitches for example to about a five yard landing zone (assuming I hit good tempo) on legend swing and I don’t use vibration or the metre and I don’t think that would be possible if there was a reliance on the metre or vibration. Certainly both help to iron out weaknesses in your game and tighten up distance control but I don’t think they’re strictly necessary, more of a help on very extreme courses / conditions with very tight landing zones, fast greens big slopes etc . And this kind of ties into the second reason, the delay is so slight that - by the time the club moves - the amount of movement that has already happened in that power metre (as seen in his video) is so little that you’re never going to be doing anything in that zone / phase of the swing anyway. So whilst I agree it’s a little annoying I don’t think it has much impact, if at all, on the gameplay. The one place I still notice it is short putts on fast greens. Aside from that I have totally adjusted to it. Just my thoughts. Good points raised Yeltzman and I think Seamount is right that it exists but I don’t find it as impactful on the game as he does. Full disclosure i also spent a month or more moaning about this delay on release. Paul, I’m pretty sure the person you mentioned was me 😂 I haven't played Xbox in a long time but on PC when putting for example and raising the camera so you can see exactly when the putter head moves back I am getting zero delay. I could also make a video to prove this. I notice you use the lower camera Craig and it works for you for putting as I think you putt by timing/tempo rather than visually for short putts. The reason I don't use that camera is that it is so hard to see the putter head actually move at the beginning of your putting backstroke. To me with that lower camera there seems to be a delay, raise the camera that putter head moves instantly when I pull back the stick, there is simply zero delay on my PC. I will try it out on Xbox again. Try the full camera for putting Craig and then test if you find a delay in putting. I putt from the slightly higher view as you do I think it’s easier to see how far back your bringing the putter in relation to your foot position. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 7:54:08 GMT -5
Here is seamount's video from the 2 min mark about the swing.....I think he make's some very fair points on it.Got to be honest i had never noticed it before till i played online with the meter on and its like a different game. He makes some interesting points well there about the power metre. I’ll disagree with Paul here in that I do feel a very slight delay in the swing starting from when I pull the stick back. But i also disagree with Seamount’s conclusion that this renders the game reliant on playing with the power metre. For two reasons really. Firstly, the scores that are shot on master / legend societies with the metre disabled and the really tight distance control the top players have without it. In the case of many the vibration will do the work anyway when the power metre is disabled. They’re two different prompts fulfilling the same purpose of telling you when to swing: one visual and one kinetic (I think that the word lol). Certainly I feel like I could judge partial pitches for example to about a five yard landing zone (assuming I hit good tempo) on legend swing and I don’t use vibration or the metre and I don’t think that would be possible if there was a reliance on the metre or vibration. Certainly both help to iron out weaknesses in your game and tighten up distance control but I don’t think they’re strictly necessary, more of a help on very extreme courses / conditions with very tight landing zones, fast greens big slopes etc . And this kind of ties into the second reason, the delay is so slight that - by the time the club moves - the amount of movement that has already happened in that power metre (as seen in his video) is so little that you’re never going to be doing anything in that zone / phase of the swing anyway. So whilst I agree it’s a little annoying I don’t think it has much impact, if at all, on the gameplay. The one place I still notice it is short putts on fast greens. Aside from that I have totally adjusted to it. Just my thoughts. Good points raised Yeltzman and I think Seamount is right that it exists but I don’t find it as impactful on the game as he does. Full disclosure i also spent a month or more moaning about this delay on release. Paul, I’m pretty sure the person you mentioned was me 😂 Ok I have test the game on Xbox there is a very slight delay that isn't there on my PC using the same Razer controller. This is probably also down to the consoles using Vsync which is a big cause of latency in games. So basically everyone is not getting the same input lag as others who don't use Vsync. Every single game you play locally will have some input latency, how much depends on your controller, your framerates etc. I use Gsync on an C2 Oled I can run the game 4K natively on that TV at above it's 120hz range but I lock that framerate at 110fps to stay inside that range otherwise if it goes above it Vsync will kick in or if I switch vsync off I will have screen tearing. I see no visible latency on PC but if I had a 240Hz monitor and dropped my graphic settings or resolution the latency would be even lower with framerates over 230 fps. This is why with with Esports games they tend to lower resolution and aim for higher framerates, they would never ever have Vsync enabled. That Xbox latency is down to Vsync, Craig hopefully next game you can turn that Vsync cap off, switch VRR on your Xbox and not worry about frames dropping below 60fps or Vsync latency. Games like Starfield are giving these VRR options on Xbox and it's about time. HDMI 2.1 VRR is very common in TV's now, shouldn't have to be stuck with Vsync when you have VRR. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 3, 2024 8:54:15 GMT -5
That’s totally fair Paul and I can see the benefits of that raised camera when putting. I’m just a creature of habit / superstitious and reluctant to change it up  Agreed on the tech stuff. Especially on console. Seems daft not to utilise available software to give a better experience. Here’s hoping next time! |
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Post by greenlightning on Aug 3, 2024 8:59:05 GMT -5
I haven't played Xbox in a long time but on PC when putting for example and raising the camera so you can see exactly when the putter head moves back I am getting zero delay. I could also make a video to prove this. I notice you use the lower camera Craig and it works for you for putting as I think you putt by timing/tempo rather than visually for short putts. The reason I don't use that camera is that it is so hard to see the putter head actually move at the beginning of your putting backstroke. To me with that lower camera there seems to be a delay, raise the camera that putter head moves instantly when I pull back the stick, there is simply zero delay on my PC. I will try it out on Xbox again. Try the full camera for putting Craig and then test if you find a delay in putting. I putt from the slightly higher view as you do I think it’s easier to see how far back your bringing the putter in relation to your foot position. People play this game with vibration? Seems like a cheat and while I suck at putting I really don't see much if any delay with the putter head. I usually use the Wide cam I think it's the default but have used the nearly overhead view on very long putts. Seems all things being equal when playing 155 green speed the middle of the rear foot propels the ball a bit over 30 feet on a flat putt. I think the putting is fair and I hope they don't change it for the next game if we get one. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 3, 2024 9:00:43 GMT -5
I putt from the slightly higher view as you do I think it’s easier to see how far back your bringing the putter in relation to your foot position. People play this game with vibration? Seems like a cheat and while I suck at putting I really don't see much if any delay with the putter head. I usually use the Wide cam I think it's the default but have used the nearly overhead view on very long putts. Seems all things being equal when playing 155 green speed the middle of the rear foot propels the ball a bit over 30 feet on a flat putt. I think the putting is fair and I hope they don't change it for the next game if we get one. The putting in these games is something I’ll never critique as it is. It’s one aspect I would say is just perfect right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 9:02:11 GMT -5
That’s totally fair Paul and I can see the benefits of that raised camera when putting. I’m just a creature of habit / superstitious and reluctant to change it up Agreed on the tech stuff. Especially on console. Seems daft not to utilise available software to give a better experience. Here’s hoping next time! Hopefully we have a better team working on the Xbox version next game, more graphic options including the options to turn off your beloved aggressive DOF in the game  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 9:15:30 GMT -5
I putt from the slightly higher view as you do I think it’s easier to see how far back your bringing the putter in relation to your foot position. People play this game with vibration? Seems like a cheat and while I suck at putting I really don't see much if any delay with the putter head. I usually use the Wide cam I think it's the default but have used the nearly overhead view on very long putts. Seems all things being equal when playing 155 green speed the middle of the rear foot propels the ball a bit over 30 feet on a flat putt. I think the putting is fair and I hope they don't change it for the next game if we get one. It is more an aid with marker/marker only than with marker off. You can't move the marker for putting with it set to off. To me vibration is just another version of the swing meter, vibrates when your backswing reaches the marker intent rather than just showing you on the screen. I did bring this up with a couple of the HB Devs when 2K21 was released and really disappointed to see no option to lock it off in the society settings in 2K23. It's even worse on PC as you could have a society with mouse and controller members and mouse users can't use vibration as an aid and controller users can. Also regarding putting there is not a video golf game with controller mouse inputs where the putting comes close. TGC1 was terrible tee to green and scrambling but the putting was still awesome. The CD and the putting really carried that game. |
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Post by greenlightning on Aug 3, 2024 10:08:52 GMT -5
People play this game with vibration? Seems like a cheat and while I suck at putting I really don't see much if any delay with the putter head. I usually use the Wide cam I think it's the default but have used the nearly overhead view on very long putts. Seems all things being equal when playing 155 green speed the middle of the rear foot propels the ball a bit over 30 feet on a flat putt. I think the putting is fair and I hope they don't change it for the next game if we get one. It is more an aid with marker/marker only than with marker off. You can't move the marker for putting with it set to off. To me vibration is just another version of the swing meter, vibrates when your backswing reaches the marker intent rather than just showing you on the screen. I did bring this up with a couple of the HB Devs when 2K21 was released and really disappointed to see no option to lock it off in the society settings in 2K23. It's even worse on PC as you could have a society with mouse and controller members and mouse users can't use vibration as an aid and controller users can. Also regarding putting there is not a video golf game with controller mouse inputs where the putting comes close. TGC1 was terrible tee to green and scrambling but the putting was still awesome. The CD and the putting really carried that game. I never move the marker on the greens putt totally by feel. I watch some of the outstanding Plat players do it and wonder why when they can shoot sub 60 all the time that they don't challenge themselves a bit more on the greens. One of the reasons I like this game much more than 21 is the added challenge of the short game. Short siding yourself can have consequences. |
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Post by deathstar on Aug 3, 2024 14:33:09 GMT -5
I putt from the slightly higher view as you do I think it’s easier to see how far back your bringing the putter in relation to your foot position. People play this game with vibration? Seems like a cheat and while I suck at putting I really don't see much if any delay with the putter head. I usually use the Wide cam I think it's the default but have used the nearly overhead view on very long putts. Seems all things being equal when playing 155 green speed the middle of the rear foot propels the ball a bit over 30 feet on a flat putt. I think the putting is fair and I hope they don't change it for the next game if we get one. Yeah a lot of people play with vibration, although I find it harder so I don't use it, it kind of stresses me out to be honest so I putt worse with it on. Not sure I would call it a cheat. |
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Post by greenlightning on Aug 3, 2024 15:55:14 GMT -5
People play this game with vibration? Seems like a cheat and while I suck at putting I really don't see much if any delay with the putter head. I usually use the Wide cam I think it's the default but have used the nearly overhead view on very long putts. Seems all things being equal when playing 155 green speed the middle of the rear foot propels the ball a bit over 30 feet on a flat putt. I think the putting is fair and I hope they don't change it for the next game if we get one. Yeah a lot of people play with vibration, although I find it harder so I don't use it, it kind of stresses me out to be honest so I putt worse with it on. Not sure I would call it a cheat. Put it this way playing with vibration is less a cheat than moving the marker on putts making the game less about feel. Like they did away with chipping out of traps which might be the biggest cheese of all how about not allowing flops out of green side bunkers next game? They stop quicker than the splash does. |
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