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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 8, 2023 16:37:16 GMT -5
Splitting off from anther thread because I found the first step in what is going to be a very silly project. Recreating a 9-hole golf course that existed for all of 3 months, from August 1931 to December of 1931, in a place I've been too what feels like dozens of times in my life. Oddly my wife had the knowledge that this existed in the back of her head for years, and I only read about it in the last 6 months or so, but I've been itching to look into itSource for the BluePrint, Shout out to the NWHickoryPlayers/Brooke Childrey
HELP NEEDED: If anyone is better at LIDAR data skowering, and can manage to get this chunk of property into a LIDAR course file, I will be for ever grateful. In the mean time I'm going to be spending time mapping this out on google maps and in game based off the blue print below, finding elevation reference points, and making it by hand, since I failed to get the LIDAR data when I first tried earlier this year.  
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 8, 2023 18:14:31 GMT -5
Praise be to Chat GPT (for finding the EPSG value I couldn't find this summer, causing me to put this waaaay on hold) This project just got a LOT easier   Again, as with Point Defiance, if anyone Wants the LIDAR file to mess with, let me know! |
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 10, 2023 0:59:49 GMT -5
Was about to reach out to the writer of the Article that had the blue print to see if they had more info on the course, and while reading back through the article, I actually read through all the news clippings...and one of them had a yardage list! felt very silly for not seeing it earlier. The main differences are that the blue-print had par 5 dog-let for the final hole, which I wager they didn't end up building...and I don't think there is anyway the blue-print layout for hole 5 could have been 123 yards (was more like 90 when I was mapping it out via the blue print, so I have a feeling they moved that hole, because the spot it is in currently basically goes up and over a rise. Not a great hole, but if you shift it farther east, there is a great down-hill shot that is just screaming for a par 3.  This is perhaps a result of my being new to designing, and not having the internal eye developed yet, but when I am laying out holes, I always turn on the auto-fairway/tee/green, so I can get an idea of the spacing. Can't do it with measuring tools ala b101 yet with out making everything way too big (though I have been watching his course build series in the back ground the last week). The greens/fairways/bunkers are all placeholders, but at least I've got the course on the map. Now the hard work begins.   Bunkering is going to be very flat/tight to the green to match the style of the only picture I've got of a putting surface  |
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 12, 2023 0:34:20 GMT -5
Safe to say I am enjoying this too much. Also safe to say this probably isn't what the original course looked like, but it also likely didn't really have much of a "fairway" originally. Experimenting a lot with sight lines and what fairways look like off the tees, and forcing/encouraging lay-ups with out making just hitting a sweeping draw at the green completely impossible. I haven't touched the terrain shaping took at all, and I don't intend to touch it much My goal is to use it to lightly soften a few greens, level the tee box areas, and "fill" the bunkers to make them mostly flat.    As I posted this, my game crashed, and I lost some work...good thing I just took a bunch of pictures! still lots of sculping and adjustments to the bunkers. Just putting them down to make sure they visually look good |
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 12, 2023 18:39:42 GMT -5
Fly over of current state. Still workshopping the bunkers a lot.
Having only 9 holes makes planting to my hearts content a LOT easier with out adding too much to meter.
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Post by rebs on Dec 13, 2023 2:15:39 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity do you live in the area? I live in Renton. Excited to see how this turns out. I might bug you for a LIDAR of something around here.
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Post by rebs on Dec 13, 2023 2:16:20 GMT -5
Oh I see you did Allenmore. Buddy told me about it and I've played there a few times. Loved the experimentation with the "Black" tees there.
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 13, 2023 2:19:48 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity do you live in the area? I live in Renton. Excited to see how this turns out. I might bug you for a LIDAR of something around here. Yup. Just right next to Allenmore. I've developed a really silly habit of downloading LiDAR data while sitting on the phone in work meetings for random courses in the area just to see if they work, so if you have a request, there's a chance I already have the raw file sitting on my computer. |
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Post by rebs on Dec 13, 2023 2:26:29 GMT -5
Cool. I wouldn't necessarily want a course, more of an empty plot of land to experiment with like you are with the above.
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 21, 2023 15:18:51 GMT -5
Still grinding away on the bunker work, (literally and figuratively) but I'm getting closer. Did some work on the parking lot to make sure I had enough Object meter to partially fill it with cars so it not just an empty lot for anyone looking around the property. If there is any interest in an Alpha/Beta I could publish one so people can play around give some feed back, but I've got other projects I'm bouncing between so I'm in no huge rush to finish this. A few Stipulations on hypothetical feed back - This is not a Database Course, it's 9 holes and 2,500 yards
- The greens are meant to be played at a pretty slow speed, as I don't think 1930's greens were rolling that fast, also I'm doing minimal sculping on them to keep them pretty true to the original landscape
- The bunkers I'm trying to make look like very flat-level-with-the-green bunkers. I'm still playing a lot with the shapes/placement, so I'm very open to suggestions on that, but I'm basing them heavily off the ONE image I have of bunkers on the course. I haven't had any luck finding any more images of the bunkers on the course, sadly
- This course is "best" played on Legend Difficulty, with no more than a 5i in your hand, as that's about the max distance folks were hitting it back then. Feel free to take a driver with you and try to drive every green though, since I'm aware 99% of people will play it that way. Maybe 2k25 will have a Hickory mode.
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Post by sroel908 on Dec 21, 2023 15:36:14 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me or it's just the way it looks in screenshots, but I don't think the color of the greens meshes well with the color of the other textures. The greens are too pale with a burnt out look. Meanwhile, the fairways and rough are super lush with that deep forest green color. Just makes the greens stick out strangely and not blend with the rest of the course, in my opinion.
I know you said you're going for flat bunkers, but these still look like they have odd mounding in them that makes them actually look like hills of sand and not "flat". The sand in pictures 2 and 3 seems to actually be above the putting surface.
Here's a tutorial on flat bottom bunkers that b101 did a few months ago:
I guess the video is showing something slightly different than what you're doing on this course, but the technique of getting flat bottom bunkers seems relevant.
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Post by albinobluesheep on Dec 21, 2023 16:03:15 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me or it's just the way it looks in screenshots, but I don't think the color of the greens meshes well with the color of the other textures. The greens are too pale with a burnt out look. Meanwhile, the fairways and rough are super lush with that deep forest green color. Just makes the greens stick out strangely and not blend with the rest of the course, in my opinion. This is a style choice I'm not sold on yet, I wanted them to look like they are almost as much sand as they are grass, and that's why they are slow, but I've gone back and forth. I appreciate that feed back. If that's not coming across, that's good to know. I guess the video is showing something slightly different than what you're doing on this course, but the technique of getting flat bottom bunkers seems relevant. I actually watched that recently and it helped me a lot with getting many of the other bunkers in a good place. The ones with the bumps are ones I've re-built and haven't gone back to finish since I was unsure of their shape, or are on slopes and I'm unsure if I should "fill" them to level them with the green or dig them out to be flat and a few feet below the green, though admittedly, they look a lot worse in these pictures than I expected, I need to get down to ground level more often while working! |
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