|
Post by SkyBlueBen on Aug 29, 2023 2:19:37 GMT -5
We always get this discussion where the serious simmers try to bully their way to the front. For the majority of people on this site it’s a game to have a bit of fun with each week with the extra that TGCT provide. You want sim, 2K23 have societies so you can try to get as close as possible Having said that I can see the Pro Tours could take a dip in aids. Perhaps as suggested take the marker off. Green grids off? I dabble in TST and it can be a frustrating experience with the grids off. Stick that on the main tours and watch people run for the hills!! Legend swing? No issue with giving that a go, but is it for everyone? Apologies. I did consider not even asking the question this time because fwiw I agree that it's not feasible on the main tours (either pro or all of them). It's a fact that there's no real demand for it at all. My thought was with the TGC Tours backing there might be more of a chance to get a competitive league off the ground or that maybe TST could morph into it. Really I'm just thinking out loud that I wish there was a more difficult scene on the game. Wasn't my intention to start chest beating. I'll back out of this one and leave it free for people to discuss the next season 👍 Craig, I apologise if you felt I was attacking you, it was more of a general observation. I totally get that there are people out there that want to make it more challenging and why. Perhaps you all should be talking to Frans to see if he’s up for a change on TST? Us girls just want to have fun 🤣
|
|
|
Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 29, 2023 2:41:41 GMT -5
Apologies. I did consider not even asking the question this time because fwiw I agree that it's not feasible on the main tours (either pro or all of them). It's a fact that there's no real demand for it at all. My thought was with the TGC Tours backing there might be more of a chance to get a competitive league off the ground or that maybe TST could morph into it. Really I'm just thinking out loud that I wish there was a more difficult scene on the game. Wasn't my intention to start chest beating. I'll back out of this one and leave it free for people to discuss the next season 👍 Craig, I apologise if you felt I was attacking you, it was more of a general observation. I totally get that there are people out there that want to make it more challenging and why. Perhaps you all should be talking to Frans to see if he’s up for a change on TST? Us girls just want to have fun 🤣 😂 No don't worry I didn't take it that way at all. I hummed and ha'd for a good half an hour yesterday before posting because - let's be honest - I knew it might devolve into this and plowed on ahead like an idiot... Honestly, will back out of the thread here. I'm sure people have other things they want to discuss. And I'll be teeing it up in a few weeks anyway! 💁
|
|
PSDazmaniac
Caddy
Posts: 34
TGCT Name: Daz Webb
Tour: Challenge Circuit
|
Post by PSDazmaniac on Aug 29, 2023 4:13:19 GMT -5
TST has no grids, so I wouldn't think the main Challenge and Pro Tours on TGC need to adopt this, as there is already a tour doing this.
If a move to Legend is not on the cards and the tours stay at Master (which is fine) maybe a move to turn off the zoom cam when aiming shots could be considered or make the marker invisible so that you cannot see the precise point where you are aiming when you do use the zoom.
When you play golf IRL, you can't zoom your aim point 200+ yds down the fairway and place a marker there, you have to aim from where you are standing.
The actual gameplay will still be the same, just the actual aiming will be different which might see a slight dip in scores, or might nor, but would be a bit more challenging, tor me at least. You can do this in EA PGA Tour, where the zoom is disabled if you are further than 70yds from the pin. Makes the game more of a challenge off the tee and with long approaches.
I'm not asking for zoom to be removed or the marker to be invisible because I'm an 'alien' PGA2K23 player either, I'm just a humble CC-H player that also plays golf IRL. Zoom aiming has always been a pet peeve of mine even in golf games that came out in the 90's on PC. IIRC, one of the old TW games used to only allow the player to aim from the player avatar with no on screen marker pole when played at a certain skill level. That was fun.
|
|
|
Post by Brenelan on Aug 29, 2023 6:20:26 GMT -5
I think in the past this was a thing but then people would purposefully avoid promotions to stay on lower swing difficulty because they preferred it. So really I think it would be all or nothing (or TST?! 👀) unfortunately. Don't want to force the issue or be a pain in the arse because I'm certain I've come across like a prick in the past about this but just thought I'd ask the question. I can see why they don't even if, imho, it would be much preferable. if you want to make the Pro TGCTours levels a bit more realistic with scores close to reality, Legend should be considered Think you also still want people to have fun though. Not sure (even if those players can handle it) that Legend is always fun, especially if the courses are ramped up.
|
|
|
Post by fransslabak on Aug 29, 2023 6:44:28 GMT -5
Apologies. I did consider not even asking the question this time because fwiw I agree that it's not feasible on the main tours (either pro or all of them). It's a fact that there's no real demand for it at all. My thought was with the TGC Tours backing there might be more of a chance to get a competitive league off the ground or that maybe TST could morph into it. Really I'm just thinking out loud that I wish there was a more difficult scene on the game. Wasn't my intention to start chest beating. I'll back out of this one and leave it free for people to discuss the next season 👍 Craig, I apologise if you felt I was attacking you, it was more of a general observation. I totally get that there are people out there that want to make it more challenging and why. Perhaps you all should be talking to Frans to see if he’s up for a change on TST? Us girls just want to have fun 🤣 Hey now, what are you doing? I'm taking a well-deserved between-seasons break; I'm not here!!
|
|
|
Post by SkyBlueBen on Aug 29, 2023 7:30:05 GMT -5
Craig, I apologise if you felt I was attacking you, it was more of a general observation. I totally get that there are people out there that want to make it more challenging and why. Perhaps you all should be talking to Frans to see if he’s up for a change on TST? Us girls just want to have fun 🤣 Hey now, what are you doing? I'm taking a well-deserved between-seasons break; I'm not here!! We can see you Frans 🤣
|
|
|
Post by hammers1man on Aug 29, 2023 7:54:52 GMT -5
I took several swipes at TAN and the Simulation society and came away from it with a real liking of and respect for the Legend swing. I think that it would work well at all levels of TGC tours. IMO, it would have the effect of raising raw scores and compacting fields. This, in turn, would make each level more competitive and reduce the number of runaway winners. But all that other stuff that those societies do to try to bring scores down into a more realistic realm is, to me, nothing more than self-flagellation and I would not like those features used in the main tours. No offense meant to those who like those styles of play, but playing golf blind just isn't, in the long run, all that fun. Well I respect that you can't get on with the game without grids on but you are definitely not speaking about the many who can putt very very well with them off. I find putting with grids on with pins in clown town positions to make the putting more difficult more attune to crazy golf rather than the real game. Each to their own way of playing this game but grids on and grids off are completely different ways to play the game. I for one have no interest in looking at vector graphics and moving beads, mean no disrespect but that feels nothing like real putting to me. Putting with grids off is the strongest part of my game and saves me a lot with difficult scrambling putts, yeah it is difficult but putting is real life is the most difficult part of golf. Top no grid putters in this game would still be holing way more putts than real life PGA Tour golfers and the stats are there to prove it, hardly blind putting or lottery nonsense that is being said here. Anyway just play the game the way you enjoy it and have fun
|
|
stebowzo
Caddy
Posts: 36
TGCT Name: ste-bowzo
Tour: Challenge Circuit
|
Post by stebowzo on Aug 29, 2023 13:58:46 GMT -5
Thank you to everyone involved in TGC. The admins, schedulers, designers ( MVPs), all the players, rangers and streamers.
|
|
|
Post by zooby97 on Aug 29, 2023 15:04:05 GMT -5
Obviously u gotta keep the majority happy and with u needing as many peeps playing and keeping the donations coming . Looks like keeping it the same. But wouldn't it be nice just for a little change in settings or at least try it in the exhibition matches . Take the aiming marker away I'm sure that would drop the mega scoring and make it a little fairer as it will stop the mathematicians working everything out . Click click click cluck 🤣🤣🤣 Great job boys & girls running the tours Nah, these players are super good. All they need is the yardage and they can’t take away that. As far as the math that is all the REAL PRO Golfers do anyway. They see where their ball is, they get the actual yardage from the caddy and hit their wedges or short irons into the green. I just enjoy the TGC Tours and don’t worry about the scoring and just have fun each week as we see a new course and a fresh score card.
|
|
|
Post by longpole on Aug 29, 2023 15:16:26 GMT -5
Obviously u gotta keep the majority happy and with u needing as many peeps playing and keeping the donations coming . Looks like keeping it the same. But wouldn't it be nice just for a little change in settings or at least try it in the exhibition matches . Take the aiming marker away I'm sure that would drop the mega scoring and make it a little fairer as it will stop the mathematicians working everything out . Click click click cluck 🤣🤣🤣 Great job boys & girls running the tours Nah, these players are super good. All they need is the yardage and they can’t take away that. As far as the math that is all the REAL PRO Golfers do anyway. They see where their ball is, they get the actual yardage from the caddy and hit their wedges or short irons into the green. I just enjoy the TGC Tours and don’t worry about the scoring and just have fun each week as we see a new course and a fresh score card. ok if that's what you think but still wouldn't hurt too change it up a bit instead of the same old same old .
|
|
|
Post by hammers1man on Aug 29, 2023 15:24:27 GMT -5
Obviously u gotta keep the majority happy and with u needing as many peeps playing and keeping the donations coming . Looks like keeping it the same. But wouldn't it be nice just for a little change in settings or at least try it in the exhibition matches . Take the aiming marker away I'm sure that would drop the mega scoring and make it a little fairer as it will stop the mathematicians working everything out . Click click click cluck 🤣🤣🤣 Great job boys & girls running the tours Nah, these players are super good. All they need is the yardage and they can’t take away that. As far as the math that is all the REAL PRO Golfers do anyway. They see where their ball is, they get the actual yardage from the caddy and hit their wedges or short irons into the green. I just enjoy the TGC Tours and don’t worry about the scoring and just have fun each week as we see a new course and a fresh score card. There is so much more than maths to real pro golf, being able to work the ball, actually take spin off the ball etc. 20% shot set up 80% execution. Just look at Tiger in his prime and how much he uses his hands to manipulate the ball flight there is so much skill to his game. It is certainly not just hitting full shots to a certain yardage. The touch round the greens is also pure skill and feel by those guys.
|
|
|
Post by torroman80 on Aug 29, 2023 15:30:28 GMT -5
TST has no grids, so I wouldn't think the main Challenge and Pro Tours on TGC need to adopt this, as there is already a tour doing this. If a move to Legend is not on the cards and the tours stay at Master (which is fine) maybe a move to turn off the zoom cam when aiming shots could be considered or make the marker invisible so that you cannot see the precise point where you are aiming when you do use the zoom. When you play golf IRL, you can't zoom your aim point 200+ yds down the fairway and place a marker there, you have to aim from where you are standing. The actual gameplay will still be the same, just the actual aiming will be different which might see a slight dip in scores, or might nor, but would be a bit more challenging, tor me at least. You can do this in EA PGA Tour, where the zoom is disabled if you are further than 70yds from the pin. Makes the game more of a challenge off the tee and with long approaches. I'm not asking for zoom to be removed or the marker to be invisible because I'm an 'alien' PGA2K23 player either, I'm just a humble CC-H player that also plays golf IRL. Zoom aiming has always been a pet peeve of mine even in golf games that came out in the 90's on PC. IIRC, one of the old TW games used to only allow the player to aim from the player avatar with no on screen marker pole when played at a certain skill level. That was fun. I would love the idea of no zoom, but don’t PC players get an advantage because they an still have the ability to do a hole flyover and zoom around each hole (and essentially can see where they’re going)? I always thought that was an uneven playing field on TST even though there’s probably not many PC players. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
|
|
|
Post by Harveydog500 on Aug 30, 2023 7:12:23 GMT -5
TST has no grids, so I wouldn't think the main Challenge and Pro Tours on TGC need to adopt this, as there is already a tour doing this. If a move to Legend is not on the cards and the tours stay at Master (which is fine) maybe a move to turn off the zoom cam when aiming shots could be considered or make the marker invisible so that you cannot see the precise point where you are aiming when you do use the zoom. When you play golf IRL, you can't zoom your aim point 200+ yds down the fairway and place a marker there, you have to aim from where you are standing. The actual gameplay will still be the same, just the actual aiming will be different which might see a slight dip in scores, or might nor, but would be a bit more challenging, tor me at least. You can do this in EA PGA Tour, where the zoom is disabled if you are further than 70yds from the pin. Makes the game more of a challenge off the tee and with long approaches. I'm not asking for zoom to be removed or the marker to be invisible because I'm an 'alien' PGA2K23 player either, I'm just a humble CC-H player that also plays golf IRL. Zoom aiming has always been a pet peeve of mine even in golf games that came out in the 90's on PC. IIRC, one of the old TW games used to only allow the player to aim from the player avatar with no on screen marker pole when played at a certain skill level. That was fun. I would love the idea of no zoom, but don’t PC players get an advantage because they an still have the ability to do a hole flyover and zoom around each hole (and essentially can see where they’re going)? I always thought that was an uneven playing field on TST even though there’s probably not many PC players. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong. Scout Camera is turned off in TST for PC. The Hole overview map (B) and Green overview (RB) are available, but I think all formats have that.
|
|
|
Post by longpole on Aug 31, 2023 7:54:01 GMT -5
Hi , it's a long shot . Frans as the big dog in TST and I know your having a wee break from the tours but would you consider taking the aiming marker away . You've played a few rds on stream , legend level and with marker off and I think you enjoyed yourself . TST was a little short on numbers coming to the last few weeks of the season so it could be worth a shout even if we stayed on masters but took away the marker . If it didn't work out then drop it back in , I know a lot more xboxers would definitely play as there's a few true sim society's about & would offer a different challenge for some . I'll keep it to just ask the once as it was mentioned before last season . Cheers great job boys .
|
|
|
Post by fransslabak on Aug 31, 2023 11:40:25 GMT -5
Hi , it's a long shot . Frans as the big dog in TST and I know your having a wee break from the tours but would you consider taking the aiming marker away . You've played a few rds on stream , legend level and with marker off and I think you enjoyed yourself . TST was a little short on numbers coming to the last few weeks of the season so it could be worth a shout even if we stayed on masters but took away the marker . If it didn't work out then drop it back in , I know a lot more xboxers would definitely play as there's a few true sim society's about & would offer a different challenge for some . I'll keep it to just ask the once as it was mentioned before last season . Cheers great job boys . No, I would not - we’ve discussed this before and TST will not remove the aiming marker. Thanks for only asking once - appreciate that.
|
|