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Post by bubbadave on Aug 23, 2023 19:38:22 GMT -5
It seems to me, that unless a designer divests of trees around greens, there almost always will be shadows lying across the greens dependent on the time of day that a golfer plays a certain hole. Now, I tested the course I'm working on (at 9:00AM, 12:00 and 3:00PM time frames) and realized my 10th green, regardless of the time of day was much too shadowed. Moving or eliminating a few trees took care of the situation and I don't think took away the feel I was trying to make with the hole.
I would think it would be fine if a few pin locations are shadowed dependent on the time of play, as long as the same green isn't inundated with shadows regardless of play time, or that the entire course greens had pins covered. That said, what is the consensus of shadowed pin locations?
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Post by sroel908 on Aug 24, 2023 7:28:07 GMT -5
It seems to me, that unless a designer divests of trees around greens, there almost always will be shadows lying across the greens dependent on the time of day that a golfer plays a certain hole. Now, I tested the course I'm working on (at 9:00AM, 12:00 and 3:00PM time frames) and realized my 10th green, regardless of the time of day was much too shadowed. Moving or eliminating a few trees took care of the situation and I don't think took away the feel I was trying to make with the hole.
I would think it would be fine if a few pin locations are shadowed dependent on the time of play, as long as the same green isn't inundated with shadows regardless of play time, or that the entire course greens had pins covered. That said, what is the consensus of shadowed pin locations?
Personally, I quite dislike pin locations in shadows...especially when the shadows are thrown by the trees that move wildly in high or very high winds. It makes lining up putts quite difficult, and hides the grid lines - as well as the cup itself. I haven't designed a course in a bit, but I always tried to avoid having too many shadows on my greens. I know it's hard to completely avoid them, but I'd always try to do my best to keep the putting surfaces clean.
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Post by bubbadave on Aug 25, 2023 11:33:38 GMT -5
Personally, I quite dislike pin locations in shadows...especially when the shadows are thrown by the trees that move wildly in high or very high winds. It makes lining up putts quite difficult, and hides the grid lines - as well as the cup itself. I haven't designed a course in a bit, but I always tried to avoid having too many shadows on my greens. I know it's hard to completely avoid them, but I'd always try to do my best to keep the putting surfaces clean. I dislike the shadows in much the same way. TPC Sawgrass, especially that opening hole, is an example. I've went through my new course's design and I think, for the most part, I have alleviated the problem. I still have a few holes dependent on time of day and pin placement that have shadows, but it won't be the same pins and holes, so I don't think it will be a problem. Thanks.
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Post by retteach on Aug 25, 2023 18:32:15 GMT -5
When I design I make sure there are no shadows on my default time setting.Because of this, when people choose a different time of day to play, the amount of shadows are usually pretty minimal. It's all we can do.
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Post by Q on Aug 30, 2023 3:58:06 GMT -5
luckily you can test it, not all trees move a lot in high winds. I would go about it from that perspective if you're making a heavily wooded course
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Post by sandgroper on Aug 30, 2023 5:20:01 GMT -5
Haze, fog and overcast conditions also mask the sharpness of shadows, so play around with that as well.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Aug 30, 2023 20:05:35 GMT -5
Haze, fog and overcast conditions also mask the sharpness of shadows, so play around with that as well. Agree with this. A couple years back tpetro put me onto a midday low light setting which gets rid of this issue altogether for wooded courses
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Post by duskynewt065757 on Sept 10, 2023 14:41:31 GMT -5
I don't consider myself a great designer but if I decide to have any tree shadows, I fully cover the green in shadow. That way you minimize the wind destraction while putting.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Sept 11, 2023 9:29:24 GMT -5
I so prefer early morning or late afternoon in real life, with real shadows across fairways & greens. But the game has limitations ... when a designer does it right, it can make a 'plain' course pop.
As a designer, I always hope that my courses (see the database) will get played in varying conditions, TBH. But when most only get 100 or so plays, I doubt that's happening.
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